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Old 26-04-2015, 00:51
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I'm sorry, but it seems that nowadays there a minimal characters that I can like, relate to, or share sympathy with!

Jane Beale was one of my favourite characters - she stood up to Ian for the way he treated her, and even made jokes about how she was married to "Ian Beale", then suddenly she wanted to get back into his bed as if she had just forgotten how much of a cringefest he was. And to top it all off, she threw his daughter into the boot and dumped her on the common, and he forgave her for it because "she did what she had to do". No bitch.

Dean Wicks was hardly the man of the hour in his first stint, but a rapist? Really? Like are you kidding me? Was this storyline just forced upon us to give the Carters something to feast off of for the next couple of years? Or a way of saying "look at us, we did a realistic rape storyline, love us."? Such a storyline has made Dean a despicable character and I just don't understand how DTC can basically say "this man is a rapist and we're going to make you watch him get away with it". It's insulting! Oh, and now we're supposed to feel sorry for him because he got beaten up for being a rapist?

Phil Mitchell's a barrel of laughs isn't he. What an arse! First he praises Denny for beating up a guy at school (which totally sends the wrong message to viewers under the age of 12), then he threatens to kill an 8-year old boy just because someone took away his precious business, and finally he pervertedly forces his own son to get naked and leaves him handcuffed to the rails on a motorway to "learn a lesson". That's not what a father does! Send him to his room!

Most of the characters are going around in circles. Tina's trying to bring Shirley and Mick together because "it's what Dad would have wanted", Kat's moping about wishing she had worked harder at school to get a better paid job, and bloody Shirley, what happened there? Talk about throwing your toys out of the pram.

Why is it so hard to find a single character that I can actually root for on this show? Even the characters that I did root for like Roxy and Lucy have respectively been ruined and killed off.
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Old 26-04-2015, 07:51
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It's hard to pick a character in EE that you would want to be friends with in real life and most you would actively avoid. This is a drama though and nice is boring. We don't want see Phil do some hard graft then cosy up with Sharon on the sofa. It's much more fun if he threatens people, throws wads of cash around and leaves Ben naked on the motorway.
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Old 26-04-2015, 08:13
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The only ones fully likeable characters in the show:
Liam
Dot
Kush
Tamwar (although he is pretty boring)
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Old 26-04-2015, 09:24
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It's hard to pick a character in EE that you would want to be friends with in real life and most you would actively avoid. This is a drama though and nice is boring. We don't want see Phil do some hard graft then cosy up with Sharon on the sofa. It's much more fun if he threatens people, throws wads of cash around and leaves Ben naked on the motorway.
I agree, but I've always liked villains on EE, such as Mad May, Janine and Lucy. They are what makes the show interesting. But with Phil for example, it's just unbearable to watch! This is why I have high hopes for Vincent - we need more "love to hate" characters.
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Old 26-04-2015, 09:48
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I agree, but I've always liked villains on EE, such as Mad May, Janine and Lucy. They are what makes the show interesting. But with Phil for example, it's just unbearable to watch! This is why I have high hopes for Vincent - we need more "love to hate" characters.
I love Phil and find him hilarious.
Best not to take EE too seriously, after all it's all totally implausible.
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Old 26-04-2015, 10:03
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It's hard to pick a character in EE that you would want to be friends with in real life and most you would actively avoid. This is a drama though and nice is boring. We don't want see Phil do some hard graft then cosy up with Sharon on the sofa. It's much more fun if he threatens people, throws wads of cash around and leaves Ben naked on the motorway.
Agreed. I would rather watch Phil being a tosser than Phil the family man and same goes for other characters. Nicey nicey doesn't equate to good drama, imo. I like flawed characters, they are more entertaining to watch but that doesn't always mean they are likeable. I am completely disinterested in characters who are 'flawless' - Linda for example is the epitome of this at the moment, I would much rather see her do something crazy, same with Sharon, something that makes you think 'oh my god'. I find Jane much more interesting after what happened with Lucy, dark Masood more interesting than everyday Masood, same with Denise and the alcoholism. It's partly why I find characters like Babe, Sylvie, Shirley, Phil ect...so good to watch, because they cause a stir.

I love Phil and find him hilarious.
Best not to take EE too seriously, after all it's all totally implausible.
Agreed. Which incidentally, is why I found Shirley taking an angle grinder to the Vic sign and Phil plonking a naked Ben on the motorway completely ridiculous yet hilariously funny - you can't always take EastEnders seriously, sometimes it's good to just go with the flow!
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Old 26-04-2015, 11:11
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Ronnie has a less than perfect history, but at this very moment she has my greatest sympathies. She's rehabbing like the fighter that she is, and has just learned what her sister
has been up to in her absence.

Patrick is someone I've always liked. A sound guy all round.
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Old 26-04-2015, 11:17
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It's the thin line between writing a compelling character with edge and being bad but with charm and sometimes a likability about them and then there is just writing characters who are disgusting and vile, they can't seem to balance it,

The likes of Phil and Shirley suffer from deadwood syndrome, they're repetitive and boring in a way because their personalities has never changed or diverted of course they just get worse, there no leeway for change or development, Once up on a time Phil use to have some pretty decent storyline that gave some explanation to his actions but now it's nothing Phil is a Mitchell, he is king and untouchable this is how he is written and this is how we're suppose to see him, no one can get one over on him.

A lot of characters are lost in translation, the writing is really up the wall of late which is a shame as DTC at one point had a really good team behind him but now they seem to lack any creativity or vision for the show.

Saying that Vincent may be the first to break it.
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Old 26-04-2015, 11:27
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I can relate to some of the stuff Alfie does so I find him very likeable, even when he's being a git because I understand him!

Some of the more miserable characters like Kat I like because she's a good character and I don't think a character has to necessarily be likeable for me to like them!
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Old 26-04-2015, 11:31
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I do admit that I would like to see progression from some characters like Phil, Shirley and Kat - though I think we may be getting some from Kat this week. It does feel like a lot of character take 1 step forward and the 20 steps back.
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Old 26-04-2015, 11:33
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I can relate to some of the stuff Alfie does so I find him very likeable, even when he's being a git because I understand him!

Some of the more miserable characters like Kat I like because she's a good character and I don't think a character has to necessarily be likeable for me to like them!
! You can relate to Bonfire Kat?
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Old 26-04-2015, 11:41
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I don't think anything could stop me liking Denise, Masood, Billy, Dot, Tam or Patrick. The others go up and down in my affections depending on what's happening. Stacey has been likable since her return, Kat and Alfie are back in my good books and Ronnie has my sympathy right now.
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Old 26-04-2015, 11:53
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Ditto Masood. He's can lose his cool and recently was weird about Shabnam and Kush, but he's a nice guy who always seems to find a way to put a smile on your face.
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Old 26-04-2015, 13:53
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! You can relate to Bonfire Kat?
Don't be silly, of course not!

Did you even READ my post?

I said I can relate to SOME of the stuff Alfie does and says, not ALL!


And anyway, there was never any 'bonfire Kat', the fire was deliberate but Kat getting burnt wasn't, she wasn't even meant to be there.

And anyway, the miserable cow was ready to die the other week and the only person who sussed that out was Alfie and he walked her round and round and talked to her, he SAVED her!

If Alfie hadn't intervened the other week Kat wouldn't even BE here!

So in my book Alfie has more than made up for accidentally burning her!
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Old 26-04-2015, 14:07
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Don't be silly, of course not!

Did you even READ my post?

I said I can relate to SOME of the stuff Alfie does and says, not ALL!


And anyway, there was never any 'bonfire Kat', the fire was deliberate but Kat getting burnt wasn't, she wasn't even meant to be there.

And anyway, the miserable cow was ready to die the other week and the only person who sussed that out was Alfie and he walked her round and round and talked to her, he SAVED her!

If Alfie hadn't intervened the other week Kat wouldn't even BE here!

So in my book Alfie has more than made up for accidentally burning her!
Dearie me!
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Old 26-04-2015, 14:17
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Ooh!

Dearie me yourself!

Well how do you expect me to react?

I clearly said that I related to some of the stuff Alfie does and you wrongly assumed that I meant the fire, why would I relate to that?

Alfie was stupid for starting the fire and yes he should have checked but he didn't. Kat wasn't supposed to be there but she was and was unfortunately burnt but fortunately the scars she has been left with aren't as bad as what DTC told us they would be!

And anyway, your link doesn't work which is fine by me because it's bound to be something rude anyway!
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Old 26-04-2015, 14:28
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Agreed. The likes of Phil and Shirl are just plain vile, Masood is a big fat phoney, Jane and Ian are just as holier than thou as ever, Mick has made rape all about his ego and battle with/for his mummy.. I could go on. Ronnie is the probably the character I'm rooting for most at the moment despite her being totally messed up and spending most of her limited screentime in 2015 in a coma.
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Old 26-04-2015, 14:36
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Ooh!

Dearie me yourself!

Well how do you expect me to react?

I clearly said that I related to some of the stuff Alfie does and you wrongly assumed that I meant the fire, why would I relate to that?

Alfie was stupid for starting the fire and yes he should have checked but he didn't. Kat wasn't supposed to be there but she was and was unfortunately burnt but fortunately the scars she has been left with aren't as bad as what DTC told us they would be!

And anyway, your link doesn't work which is fine by me because it's bound to be something rude anyway!
Alfie and Kat are far more popular and iconic than the diabolical Mick and Linda and can actually act.

DTC is going to kill this show stone dead at the rate he is going.
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Old 26-04-2015, 16:17
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Alfie and Kat are far more popular and iconic than the diabolical Mick and Linda and can actually act.

DTC is going to kill this show stone dead at the rate he is going.
I don't mind Mick and Linda but DTC uses them far too much and I agree that Kat and Alfie are more iconic!
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Old 26-04-2015, 17:33
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The Philth being a vile scumbag is hardly new - he has been a total bully and thug ever since Grant left (with a few very rare 'human' scenes over the years like the touching one between him and Ian after Lucy died).

But these are soon forgotten amongst all of the utterly repetitive King Cockroach cobblers.

Can you imagine the 21st century version of Mitchell ever being friends with someone like Nigel?

I can't.
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Old 26-04-2015, 18:16
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There is 't anyone who is happy, whose life is straightforward and is content with their lot.
In any community there is a mixture of different types of people who may be happy, sad, boring, likeable, miserable etc, but in EE EVERYONE is miserable, and most are unlikeable and unpleasant.
Watching it is depressing with very few light moments.
This soap needs a better balance of characters and emotions
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Old 26-04-2015, 18:50
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To be honest there's no one likeable.

I admire Mick but there rest particularly the girls are awful; actually I quite like Elaine

Johnny perhaps - but he did a runner...
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Old 26-04-2015, 19:36
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The Philth being a vile scumbag is hardly new - he has been a total bully and thug ever since Grant left (with a few very rare 'human' scenes over the years like the touching one between him and Ian after Lucy died).

But these are soon forgotten amongst all of the utterly repetitive King Cockroach cobblers.

Can you imagine the 21st century version of Mitchell ever being friends with someone like Nigel?

I can't.
I still can't get over the way treated Lisa Fowler. That whole phase still disgusts me to no end. His verbal and psychological abuse made her a broken woman. So glad she got Louise in the end.
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Old 26-04-2015, 23:02
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I still can't get over the way treated Lisa Fowler. That whole phase still disgusts me to no end. His verbal and psychological abuse made her a broken woman. So glad she got Louise in the end.
More recently remember what he did to Lola?

Then she was a very young teenage girl who almost had a nervous breakdown because of his utterly disgusting hounding and bullying of her (conveniently throughout all of this Billy was nowhere to be seen and Sharon looked on and did f*** all).

Remember him allowing (forcing) Ryan to deal drugs out of the club after he had been a crack addict (which he instantly recovered from as if it was a very minor cold)?

The man is scum - pure and simple.

I have long been sick of the sight of him.
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Old 26-04-2015, 23:13
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Martin Fowler and Liam Butcher seem to be decent sorts.
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