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Charlie Cotton - Talk about destroying a good character...
Charlie showed so much potential when he first came onto our screens. I was really intrigued by his character.
However, over time the character has become a complete and utter joke. Firstly, there was his rushed relationship with Ronnie. They never made a good couple IMO. Ronnie & Jack were a lot better (Especially in there early days). Ronnie & Charlie were a forced couple. I think they were specifically put together to accommodate Nick's return and in particular the New Year's Day episode. Then, there was the silly affair between him & Roxy. I didn't mind it, but it was again pointless & forced. 'Get him married to the sister, so he can have an affair with the other one'. It was weak storytelling, and a clear example of characters going round in circles. Now, tonight we had to endure smug Charlie teaming up with Phil, to get one over on Max ![]() ![]() . Are they having a bloody laugh?!?! Charlie was blaming Phil for Ronnie being in a coma a few months ago, and even though it wasn't Phil, we finally saw some development between him and Max (Not in a sexual way, I don't think Charlie is Max's type, but then again you never know with Max these days ), and Max offered Charlie a job (Which the writers have managed to remember this week). But, none of that matters, Phil ALWAYS has to win, no matter what. Tonight, Charlie's character suffered even more because of this. The way Charlie treated Max was unbelievable and slimy, after Max has helped him out in the past. His smug face was just painful to watch tonight.What a dull, boring and lifeless character Charlie has become. Can Ronnie's revenge come any sooner? Well done EastEnders for ruining ANOTHER character! |
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With Phil now owning him he's finished.
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Obviously there's no going to be a rivalry between Charlie and Ben now as well.
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With Phil now owning him he's finished.
His endless feuds are boring. Phil hasn't been great, since he burned the pub down. |
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I have a very strong feeling Charlie Cotton will be gone by the end of 2015.
I loved him at first, I thought he was brilliant. Once the crash happened, he has slowly been destroyed. |
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They really did a number on him didn't they. Tonight was so cringey. The Max story would have had a modicum more credibility if he had lashed out at the family because of Roxy.
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The list stands at;
My opinion: Mick Alfie Stacey (by spoilers next week) Dean Charlie Jane Lucy (by killing her off) By underuse: Lee Johnny (he left as a result) Lola Liam (now axed) Whitney Billy By others opinions: Roxy Shirley Tina Nancy It's disgusting now it looks like an axing storm is heading. |
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Phil is one of the shows best characters, but even he is becoming tedious.
His endless feuds are boring. Phil hasn't been great, since he burned the pub down.
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DTC does seem very fond of ruining characters at the moment!
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He came in the show as a lying, conniving, spineless worm who tricked an old lady on his criminal father's say so and then married a woman he had a one night stand with on his grandmother's say so.
The character is behaving in character - he's always been spineless, but his good looks and easy charm with Dot & Ronnie made him likeable with it. Now that he's not interacting with them his rough edges aren't getting hidden. He's just a guy who needs his strings pulled for him - Phil's doing it just now, but eventually it will be someone else. |
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He came in the show as a lying, conniving, spineless worm who tricked an old lady on his criminal father's say so and then married a woman he had a one night stand with on his grandmother's say so.
The character is behaving in character - he's always been spineless, but his good looks and easy charm with Dot & Ronnie made him likeable with it. Now that he's not interacting with them his rough edges aren't getting hidden. He's just a guy who needs his strings pulled for him - Phil's doing it just now, but eventually it will be someone else. I think it also explains his sudden "love" for Roxy. He moved from his mum caring for him to his grandmother and then Ronnie. He is weak willed and is not independent in any way. He sees Roxy as being strong in the wake of the accident and without the other three around he needed someone to care for him. If they had carried on it would have fallen apart as soon as Roxy showed her own weaknesses to him. I remember a lot of upset about him begging Phil for money but he has continually been shown as a pushover around other men. His Dad, Phil and Max, when he went grovelling for a job, easily manipulated and got the better of him. It was only Ben that he showed up and I believe that was because he knew Ben would not fight back. It was easy for him to come out as the winner. He already showed this side when he was trying to manipulate Max and Carol when they became suspicious of him. He continuously manipulated Carol as he saw her as weaker but gave Max a wide berth after he questioned him as he was not sure if he could win. He has now gone after Max again because he has backup and is sure he will come out on top. He is completely emasculated, of his own making, but there is still apart of him that is shown to almost idolize his Dad where he wants to be top dog, a position he sees his Dad as holding, even if nobody else did. |
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I don't really want to talk about it but I hope he redeems himself
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I have a very strong feeling Charlie Cotton will be gone by the end of 2015.
I loved him at first, I thought he was brilliant. Once the crash happened, he has slowly been destroyed. |
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He came in the show as a lying, conniving, spineless worm who tricked an old lady on his criminal father's say so and then married a woman he had a one night stand with on his grandmother's say so.
The character is behaving in character - he's always been spineless, but his good looks and easy charm with Dot & Ronnie made him likeable with it. Now that he's not interacting with them his rough edges aren't getting hidden. He's just a guy who needs his strings pulled for him - Phil's doing it just now, but eventually it will be someone else. |
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I have a very strong feeling Charlie Cotton will be gone by the end of 2015.
I loved him at first, I thought he was brilliant. Once the crash happened, he has slowly been destroyed. |
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I'm guessing the idea is to destroy Charlie's character so that we will all approve of Ronnie having an affair with Vincent. It would actually be more interesting if they they kept him a one of the good guys and Ronnie was still tempted by Vincent because of the flaws in her character rather than the failings of her husband.
I don't mind his lack of 'loyalty' to Max as Max deserved his comeuppance. It just didn't make sense to see him suddenly back at the car lot with no reference his child minding arrangements. Is Roxy now a full time child minder for Matthew? It was another example of his story being all over the place. I don't think they know what to do with him. Unfortunately that could be said of a number of characters at present. |
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Brilliant post from the Original Poster of this thread. I could not agree more with the comments. I wonder when Ronnie will get her revenge.
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I agree that the relationship with Ronnie was probably rushed however they were/are good together. The whole Roxy affair was stupid and I hate that it happened, no need for it but it seems that it may have happened to show us her "feelings" for Vincent. It will be ok if she has a fling with Vincent because Charlie slept with her sister. My sympathy for Ronnie decreases slightly when she can forgive her precious sister for doing it to her again.
Charlie has had a crap year so far and I think people are quick to forget. He did show how much he cared for Ronnie when she was in hospital before the stupid affair. His mum and dad both betrayed him, obviously he expects it from Nick but I can imagine how hard it was for his mum to do it. Someone that he has trusted all his life as it's just been them. His behaviour to me is quite understandable. Then Dot being in Prison and Ronnie in a coma all if this happening pretty much at same time. This means that the Characters that Charlie has been close to have all disappeared which makes him a bit of a loner. Which is probably another reason for him to get closer to Roxy. This is why when actors go on a break they have to do better with storytelling. Not sure why people are upset he was backing Phil against Max. Max has never liked Charlie, when he first came he was jealous Charlie was getting all the attention And then tried to lose him his job. Technically the job was a lie so it wouldn't have worked anyway but still it was all about Max and Emma suffered in this aswell. The way Max shouts at him, like the other day there I'm surprised Charlie lasted at the car lot as long as he has. Yes Charlie has been a bit of a disappointment lately and has been a bit dull but I think destroyed is a bit OTT. He hasn't killed anyone and lets be honest people on that show who kill can be redeemed anyway It hasn't helped that Sam Womack and June Brown have had breaks. All of his stories have pretty much be around them.
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I think it will more interesting if Ronnie doesn't go down a 'revenge' route. She has a reason to be disappointed in Charlie but not to hate him. I would rather she at least attempted to make the marriage work and struggled with her feelings for Vincent (before doubtless giving in). If they totally destroy Charlie's character then her story will be a lot less interesting.
If block story telling is to succeed, the audience needs to feel they know the characters sufficiently well that they can imagine what they are think and doing for the weeks when they are off screen. The treatment of Charlie since Christmas has been so inconsistent that we really have no idea what he is thinking at present. He also has the problem that all characters have who are not in any particular household or friendship group, he doesn't have those insightful conversations which help us get into his head. It is possible that he does need to have a strong woman in his life and he is not a natural lone wolf but this needs exploring. We don't need another Billy. |
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I think it will more interesting if Ronnie doesn't go down a 'revenge' route. She has a reason to be disappointed in Charlie but not to hate him. I would rather she at least attempted to make the marriage work and struggled with her feelings for Vincent (before doubtless giving in). If they totally destroy Charlie's character then her story will be a lot less interesting.
If block story telling is to succeed, the audience needs to feel they know the characters sufficiently well that they can imagine what they are think and doing for the weeks when they are off screen. The treatment of Charlie since Christmas has been so inconsistent that we really have no idea what he is thinking at present. He also has the problem that all characters have who are not in any particular household or friendship group, he doesn't have those insightful conversations which help us get into his head. It is possible that he does need to have a strong woman in his life and he is not a natural lone wolf but this needs exploring. We don't need another Billy. They really could have had Charlie grow close to someone in the last few months and have someone else to lean on rather than Roxy. I liked the scenes Carol was involved with helping Charlie out, maybe she could have been someone that could have got into his head. |
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I don't agree with the comments that he's been ruined - as others have said, Charlie came into the show a spineless liar. He's still a spineless liar.
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The list stands at;
My opinion: Mick Alfie Stacey (by spoilers next week) Dean Charlie Jane Lucy (by killing her off) By underuse: Lee Johnny (he left as a result) Lola Liam (now axed) Whitney Billy By others opinions: Roxy Shirley Tina Nancy It's disgusting now it looks like an axing storm is heading. |
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I agree about Ronnie and the revenge. I just think it's all too predictable. Matthew growing up without his dad because his mum destroyed that. She knows what it's been like for them both as far as dads are concerned and surely that should mean something as far as Matthew is concerned?
They really could have had Charlie grow close to someone in the last few months and have someone else to lean on rather than Roxy. I liked the scenes Carol was involved with helping Charlie out, maybe she could have been someone that could have got into his head. I also not sure if she has forgiven Roxy - that look at the end would suggest its a test. If Roxy betrays her and tells Charlie then she won't be as forgiving. |
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They should have NEVER gone down this route. It has ruined both Charlie and Roxy.
Instead, they should've focused on Roxy bonding with Ineta (this was only in 2 episodes). Charlie could have befriended Martin and Kush. |
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Charlie is spineless and for Nick Cotton's son to side with Phil Mitchell over his own family because Max is his family, in fact his Step- Uncle by Dot's marriage to Jim is just infuriating. Why the hell kill Nick off and leave his spineless, pathetic son as a Mitchell lapdog.
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), and Max offered Charlie a job (Which the writers have managed to remember this week). But, none of that matters, Phil ALWAYS has to win, no matter what. Tonight, Charlie's character suffered even more because of this. The way Charlie treated Max was unbelievable and slimy, after Max has helped him out in the past. His smug face was just painful to watch tonight.

It hasn't helped that Sam Womack and June Brown have had breaks. All of his stories have pretty much be around them.