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Old 17-06-2015, 07:11
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This Broachchurch style culprit/story line pees me right off.

I'm also not 'buying' Viv and the cover up, doesn't chime with what we know of her, I'd rather expect her to get angry, lose the plot and somehow leak it so that he'd get a severe or fatal kicking, before the Police could get to him.

Maybe she's going to reveal what she knows only to him when he's abroad on Tour, then he can go on the run, hopefully never to be seen again.

Shame we couldn't have got more of the 'case of the week' the various players involved there could have produced some good stuff, interesting characters.
She can't do that. It would leave him free to kill again. She must have something up her sleeve. Thing is though, Dinah knows she's keeping something from her and what it is. Viv won't be able to cover it up.
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Old 17-06-2015, 09:26
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It's all gone a bit Broadchurch

and as for Viv destroying evidence, just don't buy it

Shame really cos I was enjoying this hugely but I just feel it lost a lot of credibility tonight.
Agree totally

At the very least it leaves Cathy (and to an extent Dinah) in danger so unless Viv is planning on topping him it is out of character for someone in a 'normal' relationship (as has been portrayed - it isn't an all encompassing, obsessive love) who is dedicated to their job and protective of Cathy & her team.

Additionally the whole episode I found hard to follow & contrived. Too many 'blink and you'll miss them' type connections

It's been an OK series but hasn't had the strength to be able to fail at the final hurdle and still keep fans. It think this might be it for No Offence. I doubt I'd watch a second season now. Not looking forward to the last episode but will watch just for completeness sake.
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Old 17-06-2015, 09:41
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Having slept on it I think Iīm going to give the show the benefit of the doubt and believe that Viv has a fantastic plan up her sleeve and there are more twists and turns to come. At the end of the day she wonīt be able to brush it under the carpet anyway as Cathy knows now and there is no way sheīll keep quiet for long!
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Old 17-06-2015, 11:13
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Anyone else suggested the serial killer could be Jo Scanlan's husband / partner? There was a funny look between him and Patrick on the stairs and does seem a bit of an oddball. Lost track of time scale but night in a police cell a botched attempt at an alibi?

Good spot

The guy next door to the flat was playing it at the beginning of the episode, when they arrived to search.

And then she heard the husband playing it. It would have been a huge coincidence if there was no link.

I can't remember how they were led to that flat in the first place though.
It was patrick's flat I think, where they found the laptop that proved he was handyman. Also where the music CD belonging to the other killer was located.

They got to Patrick's address when his car was trashed trying to escape from the warehouse after attacking Cathy.

They also new that Killer 2 had visited the flat and removed something which is why they were continually searching it.

and it was the only tune his neighbour could play, they were moaning about it doing their heads in whilst they searched - it would have done the same to killer 2.
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Old 17-06-2015, 11:20
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Viv destroying the evidence against her husband goes against everything her character stood for - it's not as though they were madly in love and passion overrode everything else. She's not stupid she knows that it's only a matter of time before it all comes out in the wash anyway. Dinah and Cathy are almost there.

This kind of dramatic twist works in a soap but undermines a decent drama. Still looking forward to how it pans out - I never watch the preview at the end of the show!
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Old 17-06-2015, 11:51
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Viv destroying the evidence against her husband goes against everything her character stood for - it's not as though they were madly in love and passion overrode everything else. She's not stupid she knows that it's only a matter of time before it all comes out in the wash anyway. Dinah and Cathy are almost there.

This kind of dramatic twist works in a soap but undermines a decent drama. Still looking forward to how it pans out - I never watch the preview at the end of the show!
Jumped the shark for me too. The whole 'accomplice could be someone within the force' was just strong enough to carry through to the end of the series. But turning it, in one episode into the discovery [in a computerised file open to everyone] of a corny 'faked your own death' plot, then finding out who it was, within the same episode [from a paper file which again everyone could have got hold of but has mysteriously never been put on computer] then finding out it's the investigating officer's partner [because it's really believable that nobody ever compared him to the photograph] is simply ridiculous.
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Old 17-06-2015, 11:56
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I don't think so - I think the doctor had made her husband's life a misery and she was punishing him.
So, a vulnerable, young black person was coerced/groomed into a violent attack on someone, by an older person, who has influence/control over them. Too much like the 'slave labour' side-plot in last week's episode.
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Old 17-06-2015, 12:53
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The way things look now after Viv set light to the evidence, she probably won't be in the next series or, at least, keep her job - which is a shame as she's one of my favourite characters.
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Old 17-06-2015, 13:12
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that black girl was hilariously petulant.
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Old 17-06-2015, 17:08
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The way things look now after Viv set light to the evidence, she probably won't be in the next series or, at least, keep her job - which is a shame as she's one of my favourite characters.
Lose her job ?

She should spend serious time in the Chokey.

It amuses me that every time they have a briefing it only includes the same dozen people. Are they the only people working at that station.?

I often struggle with the dialogue.
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Old 17-06-2015, 18:45
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Having slept on it I think Iīm going to give the show the benefit of the doubt and believe that Viv has a fantastic plan up her sleeve and there are more twists and turns to come. At the end of the day she wonīt be able to brush it under the carpet anyway as Cathy knows now and there is no way sheīll keep quiet for long!
Same here! There has to be a twist, doesn't there? Has to be! (Actually I have no idea).

I've enjoyed the whole feel of this show, there's loads of good things about it, but have to say I was a bit gobsmacked that they did actually go down the Broadchurch road last night - and that Viv burnt the evidence, which I just didn't believe at all. Yes, she's heartbroken, but she can't go on living with someone she knows has murdered and will kill again! Ridiculous. So hope she has something up her sleeve.

Also think something about the storytelling is a bit off. I still don't really understand how Viv made the massive leap from 'hubbie playing the same tune as Patrick's neighbour' to 'sh*t, my hubbie is a serial killer.' Too many plot points go by too fast, they should take more time for it to unfold.

Hope they can rescue it though, because it could be so good.
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Old 17-06-2015, 19:20
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very disappointed in Viv last night.

Like a few on here I am a bit disheartened with the 'it's one of us' plot twist too. We see it far too often these days since Broadchurch that its someone close to them. It was funny that Paul Ritter's shambolic police doc was briefly under suspicion given that he had to come briefly under suspicison in The Game recently too. Further proof this kind of plot twist is too popular right now
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Old 17-06-2015, 20:09
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This Broachchurch style culprit/story line pees me right off.

I'm also not 'buying' Viv and the cover up, doesn't chime with what we know of her, I'd rather expect her to get angry, lose the plot and somehow leak it so that he'd get a severe or fatal kicking, before the Police could get to him.

Maybe she's going to reveal what she knows only to him when he's abroad on Tour, then he can go on the run, hopefully never to be seen again.

Shame we couldn't have got more of the 'case of the week' the various players involved there could have produced some good stuff, interesting characters.
I don't buy Viv's burning of the evidence either and suspect that she'll explode under emotional pressure, pressure from Dinah/Cathy or anger to eventually help dob in her husband.

Also agree about this episode's case, the story line speeded up so quick after the police got to the sister (and how silly was that running escapade??!) that it was harder than usual to get a gist on what had been discovered in the investigation of it.


Also think something about the storytelling is a bit off. I still don't really understand how Viv made the massive leap from 'hubbie playing the same tune as Patrick's neighbour' to 'sh*t, my hubbie is a serial killer.' Too many plot points go by too fast, they should take more time for it to unfold.

Hope they can rescue it though, because it could be so good.
No, I don't fully get it either. Someone mentioned it was a tune that some neighbour of the other killer could only play or something like that - I'd be disappointed if that is what gave Viv her eureka moment.

It took some convincing that this was a programme to stick with it and despite some issues in this one, I'm still looking forward to the last episode next week. I'm hoping Viv will return to the strong character she's portrayed as being.
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Old 17-06-2015, 20:47
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I'm also not 'buying' Viv and the cover up, doesn't chime with what we know of her, I'd rather expect her to get angry, lose the plot and somehow leak it so that he'd get a severe or fatal kicking, before the Police could get to him.
I'm mildly surprised he was able to learn so much about police activity. Why would Viv need to tell him the address where that girl was being held, for example? She could talk about her work in general terms, and maybe say she was in a safe-house, but management of detailed info is basic police procedure.

I'm also surprised she got so involved with him without checking into his background. It's weird that he faked his own death and then came back and seduced a senior police officer, and even more weird that he got away with it for so long.
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Old 17-06-2015, 20:50
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Not much to say about that episode that hasn't already been said.


Pretty much hate the Joy character but felt sorry for her last night.
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Old 17-06-2015, 21:03
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I'm mildly surprised he was able to learn so much about police activity. Why would Viv need to tell him the address where that girl was being held, for example? She could talk about her work in general terms, and maybe say she was in a safe-house, but management of detailed info is basic police procedure.

I'm also surprised she got so involved with him without checking into his background. It's weird that he faked his own death and then came back and seduced a senior police officer, and even more weird that he got away with it for so long.
The thing is the husband ( does anyone know his name .... ! ) is clearly a bit of a psycho and he could probably quite easily find out info by eaves dropping on Vivīs phone conversations, sneaking a look at her messages etc. Sheīs probably a bit off guard at home, plus the other offices always seem to be popping by for a cup of tea and discuss cases and so he could easily glean info by making a cup of tea and listening in.

Also thinking back there have been lots of times heīs `popped`into her office - supposedly to give her a present or ask her about dinner but maybe he had other motives. Maybe his whole night in the cells was just a way to get into the station long enough to find out what Cathy had told the police ....

I canīt imagine she will be able to stay with him ... she couldnīt even bear him kissing her. I think she has a plan but maybe she canīt bear the humilation of the others knowing who he is, so she has destroyed the evidence but will deal with him in her own way and own time ...
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Old 17-06-2015, 22:39
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It took some convincing that this was a programme to stick with it and despite some issues in this one, I'm still looking forward to the last episode next week. I'm hoping Viv will return to the strong character she's portrayed as being.
Hope so yes, because she's really the best thing in the programme by quite a long way.

I'm also surprised she got so involved with him without checking into his background. It's weird that he faked his own death and then came back and seduced a senior police officer, and even more weird that he got away with it for so long.
I was thinking about this just today. Why on earth would a serial killer get involved with a detective in the first place? And carry on murdering even when he knows she's investigating? Would he not start feeling that she was getting too close for comfort and stop, or leave?

Maybe they'll answer it, and he'll turn out to be a freaky thrill seeker or something, or just thinks he's invincible. It might help if they'd given us any idea how long Viv has known him, or how they met, or mentioned that she'd never met his family. But at the moment, my head is just full of questions.
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Old 17-06-2015, 22:49
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Just watched last nights episode and I will watch again I think but I'm confused about the husband.

Is he Sean the dead cop who's body was never found? And if he is were they his real parents viv visited?

Think I need to rewatch
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Old 17-06-2015, 23:01
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Just watched last nights episode and I will watch again I think but I'm confused about the husband.

Is he Sean the dead cop who's body was never found? And if he is were they his real parents viv visited?

Think I need to rewatch
Yes he is Sean and they were his parents. I found it a bit confusing last night, as myss said, things moved too fast so it was difficult to keep up.
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Old 18-06-2015, 00:02
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Think Viv will have something up her sleeve, as I can not believe that she would let her Hubby go free to do it again. He and Patrick were both killers but it sounds like Viv's Hubby used Patrick as he knew he loved him. He has shown that he is capable of doing horrible things to vulnerable girls. He will do it again. Looking forward to the conclusion next week.

Hope there will be another series.
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Old 18-06-2015, 00:15
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Maybe Viv will come back demoted or as a civilian worker who has to earn respect and deal with orders more. I've worded that terribly, I know, but hopefully you can see what I mean.
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Old 18-06-2015, 10:05
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Viv destroying the evidence against her husband goes against everything her character stood for - it's not as though they were madly in love and passion overrode everything else. She's not stupid she knows that it's only a matter of time before it all comes out in the wash anyway. Dinah and Cathy are almost there.

This kind of dramatic twist works in a soap but undermines a decent drama. Still looking forward to how it pans out - I never watch the preview at the end of the show!
more to the point, it goes against everything Paul Abbot stands for.

Keep the faith.
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Old 18-06-2015, 10:36
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more to the point, it goes against everything Paul Abbot stands for.

Keep the faith.
I'm looking forward to seeing how it's resolved - be good if it were just misdirection to heighten the conclusion.
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Old 18-06-2015, 13:27
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I don't buy Viv destroying evidence to let him get away. I think she must be doing it for some other reason, maybe to protect people? I reckon he will be done away with but perhaps not revealed as the murderer.
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Old 18-06-2015, 14:40
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Having slept on it I think Iīm going to give the show the benefit of the doubt and believe that Viv has a fantastic plan up her sleeve and there are more twists and turns to come. At the end of the day she wonīt be able to brush it under the carpet anyway as Cathy knows now and there is no way sheīll keep quiet for long!
Was just about to post about the same thing. Had temporarily forgotten about that last time I commented. I wonder what Cathy will do about it? She'll surely tell Dinah.
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