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Old 27-05-2015, 21:10
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I'm enjoying it but I think the criticisms are fair. Some of the acting is a bit below par and the dialogue is inaudible in places, but I think the characters are great and the storyline is an interesting one. I like having the story arc mixed with a crime of the week.
Joy must be one of the worst sergeants in cop drama history. I can't decide whether the actress is good or bad in the role.
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Old 27-05-2015, 21:39
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Thought it was a bit strange that the police hadn´t given Cathy a pregnancy test when they found her!
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Old 27-05-2015, 22:29
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...............Anyone else suggested the serial killer could be Jo Scanlan's husband / partner? ...........
................I agree the killer will be someone we know ..........
Given the population of Manchester, Liverpool and surrounding areas, it's highly unlikely that the killer would be a relative of an already known character. Unfortunately, though, it's a cliché in this sort of drama that the killer must be known to the viewers. Though I'm sure I remember a couple when the killer turned out to be an ambulance person, seen for about 5 seconds.

To be honest, I also feel cheated when the killer turns out to be a complete stranger.
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Old 27-05-2015, 23:02
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Given the population of Manchester, Liverpool and surrounding areas, it's highly unlikely that the killer would be a relative of an already known character. Unfortunately, though, it's a cliché in this sort of drama that the killer must be known to the viewers. Though I'm sure I remember a couple when the killer turned out to be an ambulance person, seen for about 5 seconds.

To be honest, I also feel cheated when the killer turns out to be a complete stranger.
My money is on Cathy being the killer
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Old 27-05-2015, 23:15
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Too obvious. I am plumping for the slightly built psychologist / therapist whose background and education has misleadingly led her to have a warped view of the type of victims being targeted.
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Old 28-05-2015, 10:56
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Maybe it's the father of the cop who's shagging his ex squeeze and sexting her

The subject matter is very dark but the writing and performance values make it seem a bit like a comedy sketch at times.

A bit like the second series of The Fall.
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Old 28-05-2015, 11:33
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How can Cathy be the killer as when we met her she had clearly been attacked and was drowning? Only in fiction does the killer turn out to be someone we know. If it were that easy in real life murderers would always be caught. If it was a total stranger though it would be a let down.
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Old 28-05-2015, 13:44
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I'm really enjoying this programme, it's mustseetv.
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Old 28-05-2015, 13:53
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[quote=macavity77;78265062]How can Cathy be the killer as when we met her she had clearly been attacked and was drowning?[/spoiler]

She staged it obvs!!

I don't think its Cathy either but I wonder if she knows more than she's said for some reason....

Only in fiction does the killer turn out to be someone we know. If it were that easy in real life murderers would always be caught. If it was a total stranger though it would be a let down.
Most murders are done by someone the victim knows sadly And most murderers are caught for this very reason.

Serial killers & spree killers are different but they kill for very different motivations. (Although Spree killers often start with family members)
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Old 28-05-2015, 14:04
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Most murders are done by someone the victim knows sadly And most murderers are caught for this very reason.

Yes, I suppose you are right but outside fiction serial and spree killers are actually quite unusual. Well...unless you live in Coronation Street I suppose. Most murders are however sordid and mundane and not the stuff of drama. That whole silent witness thing where every crime and criminal turns out to be personally connected, significant or even related to the pathologists themselves is just complete tosh.

I think Cathy will recognise someone and then put herself in danger. I quite agree there is clearly more to her than meets the eye though.

What is the whole thing with the overweight young policeman sleeping in his car?
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Old 28-05-2015, 14:11
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I think it'll turn out to be the nurse (matron?) who was in the first episode. Okay, she was only in for a few minutes, but that fits the "seen the murderer before" qualification, and she acted very suspiciously.
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Old 28-05-2015, 15:06
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How can Cathy be the killer as when we met her she had clearly been attacked and was drowning?.
Cuts and bruises could come from a victim defending themselves, or maybe she'd just been in a fight but does that have to mean with the killer?

Suicide rather than be arrested could account for the attempted drowning.

I'm playing with the cliché rather than suggesting it's realistic but I wouldn't discount the old split personality trope and with catfishing the killer could easily be female.

I can't remember - has there been any dna evidence recovered from the previous victims that would prove it was male killer?
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Old 28-05-2015, 15:12
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Cuts and bruises could come from a victim defending themselves, or maybe she'd just been in a fight but does that have to mean with the killer?

Suicide rather than be arrested could account for the attempted drowning.

I'm playing with the cliché rather than suggesting it's realistic but I wouldn't discount the old split personality trope and with catfishing the killer could easily be female.

I can't remember - has there been any dna evidence recovered from the previous victims that would prove it was male killer?
Rape has been mentioned but I don't recall specifically DNA (though my memory is often shockingly bad) I think I just assumed that a, the killer is male and b, there was DNA.

It could be the old 'dumped in water so the DNA is degraded' TV thing.
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Old 28-05-2015, 15:38
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Cuts and bruises could come from a victim defending themselves, or maybe she'd just been in a fight but does that have to mean with the killer?

Suicide rather than be arrested could account for the attempted drowning.

I'm playing with the cliché rather than suggesting it's realistic but I wouldn't discount the old split personality trope and with catfishing the killer could easily be female.

I can't remember - has there been any dna evidence recovered from the previous victims that would prove it was male killer?
The killer might well be female however I seem to remember that Cathy was either zipped in to something or taped up when she was fished out of the water. I am not sure how she could have done that herself. I don't remember DNA being mentioned either although perhaps she was assaulted without the killer leaving any.

That is a good point about the nurse at the start. In Margery Allingham stories it was usually the first person we meet who is the killer so perhaps it is Dinah's boyfriend. He seems highly shifty to me!
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Old 28-05-2015, 15:54
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The killer might well be female however I seem to remember that Cathy was either zipped in to something or taped up when she was fished out of the water. I am not sure how she could have done that herself. I don't remember DNA being mentioned either although perhaps she was assaulted without the killer leaving any.

That is a good point about the nurse at the start. In Margery Allingham stories it was usually the first person we meet who is the killer so perhaps it is Dinah's boyfriend. He seems highly shifty to me!
Lol - you may be onto something. In Cold Case it was almost always the second person they interviewed
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Old 28-05-2015, 18:13
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The killer might well be female however I seem to remember that Cathy was either zipped in to something or taped up when she was fished out of the water. I am not sure how she could have done that herself. I don't remember DNA being mentioned either although perhaps she was assaulted without the killer leaving any.

That is a good point about the nurse at the start. In Margery Allingham stories it was usually the first person we meet who is the killer so perhaps it is Dinah's boyfriend. He seems highly shifty to me!
That's what I was thinking but as my memory is so bad I thought I must be wrong seeing someone thought she may have been trying to commit suicide.
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Old 28-05-2015, 20:16
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Cuts and bruises could come from a victim defending themselves, or maybe she'd just been in a fight but does that have to mean with the killer?

Suicide rather than be arrested could account for the attempted drowning.

I'm playing with the cliché rather than suggesting it's realistic but I wouldn't discount the old split personality trope and with catfishing the killer could easily be female.

I can't remember - has there been any dna evidence recovered from the previous victims that would prove it was male killer?
You think she wrapped herself up in plastic, hopped into the river and all this after setting the cops off chasing the transit van?
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Old 28-05-2015, 20:38
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Finally got round to watching this last night, not bad, not bad. I thought it was silly when Dinah was undercover that she clearly gave herself away to the 'kidney man'. Why she was looking at the arguing couple when her colleagues was right in front of them and could deal with them if need be and she could continue with the convo and make excuses if the meeting with the man (in a public place) got out of hand.

The episode seemed more fast pace this week, especially the dialogue. Some of you felt it was clearer, I got the opposite and had to rewind my recording a few times. All that said, despite the criticism, it has grown on me and it is an interesting way to spend the hour - especially on a Tuesday night when the other options are usually pretty dire.
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I guess that's another flaw - I haven't a clue what any of them are called except Dinah!!
Her and the DI - VIvian - they're the only ones I know of! For me Vivian - or Viv - is the pinnacle of the drama.
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Old 28-05-2015, 21:12
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You think she wrapped herself up in plastic, hopped into the river and all this after setting the cops off chasing the transit van?
bugger forgot about the van
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Old 28-05-2015, 23:01
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Finally got round to watching this last night, not bad, not bad. I thought it was silly when Dinah was undercover that she clearly gave herself away to the 'kidney man'. Why she was looking at the arguing couple when her colleagues was right in front of them and could deal with them if need be and she could continue with the convo and make excuses if the meeting with the man (in a public place) got out of hand.

The episode seemed more fast pace this week, especially the dialogue. Some of you felt it was clearer, I got the opposite and had to rewind my recording a few times. All that said, despite the criticism, it has grown on me and it is an interesting way to spend the hour - especially on a Tuesday night when the other options are usually pretty dire.

Her and the DI - VIvian - they're the only ones I know of! For me Vivian - or Viv - is the pinnacle of the drama.
As a member of the public wouldn't you at least have a sneaky look if you heard all that commotion, there'd not be many people who wouldn't.
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Old 29-05-2015, 04:14
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It's a poor version of Hill Street blues.
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Old 29-05-2015, 06:07
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It's a poor version of Hill Street blues.
Not entirely convinced of that as the only thing I can recall about Hill Street Blues is the theme music so the actual show can't have made a big impression.
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Old 29-05-2015, 10:03
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It's a poor version of Hill Street blues.
Really?

Can you explain what you mean. I fondly remember HSB and can't really see any similarity other than it being a police drama.
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Old 29-05-2015, 10:54
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Maybe it's the father of the cop who's shagging his ex squeeze and sexting her .
I reckon it could by the boss's musican partner as that scene on the stairs with him passing the downs teacher guy who could recognise the killer seems a bit deliberate...

Having said that my track record at this kind of thing is terrible (apart from Broadchurch obviously but then everyone else got that in the first eposode too! )
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Old 29-05-2015, 13:03
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I reckon it could by the boss's musican partner as that scene on the stairs with him passing the downs teacher guy who could recognise the killer seems a bit deliberate...

Having said that my track record at this kind of thing is terrible (apart from Broadchurch obviously but then everyone else got that in the first eposode too! )
That was my thought as that seemed a bit staged. I wonder also if it could have been Cathy's boyfriend and that she was originally an accessory to the crimes and something went wrong and she ended up being attacked by him thereafter losing her memory.
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