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Absolutely, in a nutshell. The FA cups, as great as they were, kept the fans quiet and off their backs.
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#4052 |
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I think you're right Goodwin. The Board have let it go stale, for the fans anyway, but he's still making them money for the time being anyway. Maybe when it all finally goes tits up if we don't make CL football for a few seasons he might decide to go himself. Meanwhile us fans have to 'suffer' watching our noisy neighbours down the road usurping us.
Looking at the bigger picture, we are in a state of limbo. We have a manager who has a year left on his contract. I doubt very much he's going to do an overhaul and rebuild now. Even giving him a couple more years, he's not going to do a rebuild. He will just keep it ticking over until a suitable replacement is found. One option would be to hand over the reins to Bould for next season with Wenger taking a back seat advisory role but Bould having the final say. I know there's more chance of me winning the lottery than that happening but it would take the pressure of Wenger and see what Bouldy would be like. We couldn't do any worse than we already are. Anything to freshen things up a bit. |
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#4053 |
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One option would be to hand over the reins to Bould for next season with Wenger taking a back seat advisory role but Bould having the final say. I know there's more chance of me winning the lottery than that happening but it would take the pressure of Wenger and see what Bouldy would be like.
No, we need him to step away entirely from the club. If he is 'promoted' upstairs then our only hope is that a manger with a forceful personality is appointed with the courage to dump everything that's wrong with the club at the moment. |
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#4054 |
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Even if it did happen don't you think Wenger would still be running the show from the background especially if it was one of his former players nominally 'in charge'?
No, we need him to step away entirely from the club. If he is 'promoted' upstairs then our only hope is that a manger with a forceful personality is appointed with the courage to dump everything that's wrong with the club at the moment. |
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#4055 |
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I don't see any change on the horizon. Two managers who might have replaced Wenger are at Liverpool or going to City. That leaves Mourinho?
In the meantime however, in one measure in particular, we are better than any other club in world football: http://swissramble.blogspot.de/2016/...in-pocket.html Nobody else has as much cash sitting in their bank account as Arsenal. A mere £160m as of November! |
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#4056 |
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Do or die against spurs now. This stuttering run is beyond frustrating.
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Sadly neither do I. However we don't necessarily need a 'big name' simply someone with fresh new ideas and approaches.
In the meantime however, in one measure in particular, we are better than any other club in world football: http://swissramble.blogspot.de/2016/...in-pocket.html Nobody else has as much cash sitting in their bank account as Arsenal. A mere £160m as of November! I like his summary as well. Baffling why we are sitting on a pile of cash with gaps in the squad. Quote:
Who knows whether a couple of world class recruits would make the difference and take the club to the next level, but surely it would be better for the club to spend what it can, so that its wealth can be seen on the pitch rather than gather dust in the accounts.
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Do or die against spurs now. This stuttering run is beyond frustrating.
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after that debacle, I watched Juve vs Inter. Anyone else see the interview with Buffon? Went on about the many strong characters in their squad refusing to give an inch.
Our only leader type is Cech, and being in goal makes it harder for him. After Sanogo's hattrick for woeful (sadly - I like them) Charlton, I bet he's the only incoming striker in the summer too. Even if we lose to Spurs, and Swansea were really hard for Spurs to break down so not holding my breath there either, Wenger won't budge. He's far too spooked by what would happen to his life if he left Arsenal. Egoïsme in french means ultra selfish and that's what he is. Stan would probably only have a slight mutter if we missed 4th. |
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Agree with this sadly.
So much for Cech saving us 10/15 points - we actually now have the same points as at this point last season
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I still maintain we don't need Kroenke to get rid of Arsene but it does require the stadium to turn against him and I don't know if that will ever happen. Maybe Spurs winning the league might be enough?
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Agree with this sadly.
So much for Cech saving us 10/15 points - we actually now have the same points as at this point last season ![]() |
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Do or die against spurs now. This stuttering run is beyond frustrating.
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Sadly neither do I. However we don't necessarily need a 'big name' simply someone with fresh new ideas and approaches.
In the meantime however, in one measure in particular, we are better than any other club in world football: http://swissramble.blogspot.de/2016/...in-pocket.html Nobody else has as much cash sitting in their bank account as Arsenal. A mere £160m as of November! |
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Well i think Arsenal should beat Swansea But after today im not so sure
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Forget about the title, it's gone. When was the last time this team actually played well? Quote:
I still maintain we don't need Kroenke to get rid of Arsene but it does require the stadium to turn against him and I don't know if that will ever happen. Maybe Spurs winning the league might be enough?
![]() I still mantain that Spurs should've overtaken Arsenal in 2012 and 2013. But now they have a decent, modern manager who knows how to rotate his team, so them overtaking while the board/Wenger dithers is only a matter of time. Quote:
after that debacle, I watched Juve vs Inter. Anyone else see the interview with Buffon? Went on about the many strong characters in their squad refusing to give an inch.
Our only leader type is Cech, and being in goal makes it harder for him. After Sanogo's hattrick for woeful (sadly - I like them) Charlton, I bet he's the only incoming striker in the summer too. Even if we lose to Spurs, and Swansea were really hard for Spurs to break down so not holding my breath there either, Wenger won't budge. He's far too spooked by what would happen to his life if he left Arsenal. Egoïsme in french means ultra selfish and that's what he is. Stan would probably only have a slight mutter if we missed 4th. What is shocking is there's no contingency plan in place if/when Wenger decides to pack up. You cannot tell me Guardiola or Klopp would say no to the Arsenal job if the club tried their hardest. Get Simeone in, even if it means Wenger sees out his contract. Proven winner, takes no bull from the players, challenges the board and media. Quote:
Agree with this sadly.
So much for Cech saving us 10/15 points - we actually now have the same points as at this point last season ![]() Cech has saved Arsenal points this season. Just to stay in the top four. The real aim. How can a club say they are going for the title when they haven't replaced their best striker, wasted years to buy a DM, gone seasons with just two CBs, never properly rectified the reason why there are injuries and questioned why they always bottle it?? No conviction with what Wenger spews anymore, and the real reason why he didn't have a go at his players yesterday was because he knew he himself was at fault. Stale from top to bottom. We keep saying the same things over and over, and Wenger continues to pull wool over people's eyes. He's not got it in him to win the CL, so what are the board waiting for? Clearly this club are content with top four finishes. |
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Agree with this sadly.
So much for Cech saving us 10/15 points - we actually now have the same points as at this point last season ![]() The fact we are just about in the race still us testament to him Quote:
Do you think the board are not ambitious enough and are happy to win the FA Cup and qualify for the Champions League every year
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#4068 |
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Cech has saved Arsenal points this season. Just to stay in the top four. The real aim. How can a club say they are going for the title when they haven't replaced their best striker, wasted years to buy a DM, gone seasons with just two CBs, never properly rectified the reason why there are injuries and questioned why they always bottle it?? No conviction with what Wenger spews anymore, and the real reason why he didn't have a go at his players yesterday was because he knew he himself was at fault.
Stale from top to bottom. We keep saying the same things over and over, and Wenger continues to pull wool over people's eyes. He's not got it in him to win the CL, so what are the board waiting for? Clearly this club are content with top four finishes. The club talks about youngsters and how that is our way. So how come our youth systemis so poor and The club sells most of the youth or loan them out while othet Pl team give them oppotunites. Why is it our football is so boring and looks like our players just do not care. Like you said Injuries are still a issue. Team spirit seems so poor( are the players playing for each other let alone the manager). I think they have stopped playing for the manager and their is problems in the dressing room. Truth is The club needs to be ripped apart from top to bottom, and start again. The basis is there it can be done. Lets be honest the next manager will not have time to keep failing like this one. All fans will agree they would have to leave as soon as they failed. The board need to leave sentimental value out of it and tell Wenger to go. Not sack him but invite him to resign. |
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It’s certainly interesting to speculate what’s gone on behind closed doors. Look at our transfer policy for a start. We find reason after reason not to sign any one. I said previously that the last three big signings we have made have all fallen in to our lap. Nothing to do with us going out and getting what we want. The whole club seems moribund, but why is that? Is it Wenger being so much in control that no one dare rock the boat? Is the board holding us back?
We don’t seem to move forward and it’s a continual stream of excuses for NOT doing things. There’s always a reason for failing and never a push to do better. Let’s be honest we’ve had ten years like this and no sign of real improvement. It doesn’t seem to be the personnel on the pitch per se as no matter who we put out there we don’t turn up or defend badly and so on. I see no drive or determination just a lot of players running around all seemingly doing their own thing. We are/were in the running for the title but you’d never know it from that display. As spineless and toothless as many others we’ve seen in recent times. I spoke to a friend on Saturday and he said to me “The title’s there for the taking but I don’t think you lot have it in you to take it” and he’s right. I said elsewhere yesterday that I no longer had any expectations as such but rather these days I’m resigned to whatever happens just happens. |
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I still maintain we don't need Kroenke to get rid of Arsene but it does require the stadium to turn against him and I don't know if that will ever happen. Maybe Spurs winning the league might be enough?
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#4071 |
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I thought it was happening last year but seems not.
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Once the manager loses the dressing room he will be gone. Is it happening already? Or isit going to happen soon?
I'm not sure how to explain why they appear not to be playing for him at present and, of course, it's entirely possible they are as fed up and frustrated at his methods as we are. However, for me, it would be a surprise (although a welcome one) to find he has lost them. |
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#4073 |
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Do the players and manager believe they can win? I don't.
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That's true as well but I wonder if it's likely at Arsenal. Arsene goes out of his way to protect his players, rarely (almost never) singles anyone out for criticism and appears to give them an easy ride. Would they get the same from the next manager?
I'm not sure how to explain why they appear not to be playing for him at present and, of course, it's entirely possible they are as fed up and frustrated at his methods as we are. However, for me, it would be a surprise (although a welcome one) to find he has lost them. |
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My XI for the next must win game on Wednesday. Have to play it like a cup final and leave everything out on the pitch. Campbell, Ramsey and Walcott to come on if we need a goal.
Cech
Bellerin - Mertesacker - Koscielny - Monreal Coquelin - Elneny Welbeck - Ozil - Sanchez Giroud |
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