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Arsenal Supporters Thread (Part 16)
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satellite
03-03-2016
Originally Posted by SpiderMan 83:
“If the players have stopped playing for him, Than no way can he last long. Like Belligrence said if he does not win the title he will go in the end of the season. The board will push him out like Utd's did fergie.”

I don't see how everyone is so confident he will go. The Board said before they are prepared for a drop from CL football & his job will still be safe. As Sotek said a few months or 5 years, the latter is more likely, no way he will go anytime soon. He won't get sacked, that's a given and he definitely won't leave now, even if we do get beaten by Spurs.

I always thought Fergie left under his own steam, he was a brilliant manager, why would Utd's Board have pushed him out - just no way.
DavidT
03-03-2016
I don't know who else noticed but at the end of the game there were loads of boos and AW reacted by sticking his thumb up. Not a big reaction but unusual as he never reacts ordinarily.
Goodwin
03-03-2016
The cart is before the horse at Arsenal FC. Wenger holds more power than the chief exec. He even had hand in his appointment ffs. It's all so wrong. Kroenke doesn't give a monkey's as long as he's making money out of it all.

Yes I believe Wenger will still be in charge come the new season. Only if there is a complete capitulation between now and the season end, then he might decide to call it a day. But that is more hope than anything else. It's not easy to give up £8M. Plus he's too bloody arrogant just to walk away.

He will give it we were unlucky, injuries and so on cost us the league title if we don't win it. He will buy new players and ship out the deadwood. Arteta etc. We will prob be in the mix for the title. This season will be but a distant memory. There will be cause for optimism and a new deal will be offered. We'll get the usual sound bites. Nothing is decided blah blah. He'll sign a new 2 year deal and so on it goes.

Only if the stadium is half full and it's obvious that all is not well, then a new contract may not be offered. When he was in his pomp, he would keep everyone guessing and waiting to see if he would stay on. Now the club should do the same and keep him waiting instead of kowtowing to him. I guess it's ultimately up to Kroenke though and why would he change a winning formula? It could get very nasty before the season is over though and it may be a tipping point. Not to sack him but ensure that next season will be his last. Like I said before, we are in limbo to a certain extent. It's quite frankly disgraceful that it's been allowed to happen. The manager has become bigger than the club.
SpiderMan 83
03-03-2016
Originally Posted by grimtales1:
“Alexis: "We lack self belief"

I agree with him, and sadly Alexis has lost form since returning from injury

http://www.theguardian.com/football/..._b-gdnfootball”

Says it all tbh. if our best player is saying this than it shows. This proves the problem is mental and spending money will not change this. It has been so clear to see they do not believe they could win it.

who truts aw to go out and spend wisely anyways.
Lateralthinking
03-03-2016
I'm just gobsmacked - and very disappointed - by the inconsistency.
sotek
03-03-2016
Originally Posted by Goodwin:
“The manager has become bigger than the club.”

Yes, this. Sadly it's been the case for a long time now.

Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
SpiderMan 83
03-03-2016
Originally Posted by sotek:
“I wish I was as confident as you. There's no way he'll win the title but unfortunately I think it would take more than that to get the board to push him out. However, if he really loses the fans and it starts to turn unpleasant in the stadium then who knows? I've always said his ego won't allow him to stand sustained abuse from the crowd.”

Like i said if the players stop playing for him and if this goes into next season. It could get messy and something mighy have to give.
Originally Posted by sparkie70:
“The board in general have been loyal to Wenger & with a new tv deal kicking in next season, i guess they be happy as long as they qualify.
That is the simple truth.”

Maybe you are right, but loyalty only streches so far. If they feel the situation is out of control, they would have to get rid

Originally Posted by satellite:
“I don't see how everyone is so confident he will go. The Board said before they are prepared for a drop from CL football & his job will still be safe. As Sotek said a few months or 5 years, the latter is more likely, no way he will go anytime soon. He won't get sacked, that's a given and he definitely won't leave now, even if we do get beaten by Spurs.

I always thought Fergie left under his own steam, he was a brilliant manager, why would Utd's Board have pushed him out - just no way.”

No one is confident he is going but any manager who loses his dressing room does not last. Wenger is starting to lose it and if it gets worse no way would he last 5 more years. He would not even last 1.

As for Fergie there were rumours that he was not ready to step down and believed he bad a few seasobs left. I heard the Glazers wanted Jose at the time and thought it was the right time for him to go, not saying he was sacked, i think he was nudged.
SpiderMan 83
03-03-2016
Originally Posted by SpiderMan 83:
“Says it all tbh. if our best player is saying this than it shows. This proves the problem is mental and spending money will not change this. It has been so clear to see they do not believe they could win it.

who truts aw to go out and spend wisely anyways.”

Just to add.

I think this is concerning tbh and it makes Wenger look bad. Is this Sanchez actually saying he wants out.
Jim De Ville
03-03-2016
Originally Posted by SpiderMan 83:
“As for Fergie there were rumours that he was not ready to step down and believed he bad a few seasobs left. I heard the Glazers wanted Jose at the time and thought it was the right time for him to go, not saying he was sacked, i think he was nudged.”

Just curious, but where are you getting this from?

Ferguson won the league, in his last season. Without massive expenditure. Why would the Glazers want rid?

If they wanted to bin him for Mourinho, they had a funny way of showing it.
owen10
03-03-2016
Do you think the North London derby on Saturday is the biggest derby game in history
SpiderMan 83
03-03-2016
Originally Posted by Jim De Ville:
“Just curious, but where are you getting this from?

Ferguson won the league, in his last season. Without massive expenditure. Why would the Glazers want rid?

If they wanted to bin him for Mourinho, they had a funny way of showing it.”

Just other forums and news paper articles and chats with a few utd mates.
Jim De Ville
03-03-2016
Originally Posted by SpiderMan 83:
“Just other forums and news paper articles and chats with a few utd mates.”

I'd suggest that you've been misled, then.

Ferguson doesn't strike me as the type to be quietly shuffled aside, at the behest of owners who know little about the game.

It would also require the Glazers to have been utter lunatics, which their wealth suggests is not the case.

As for Wenger, barring a league title this season, I fully expect him to walk.
Goodwin
03-03-2016
Originally Posted by owen10:
“Do you think the North London derby on Saturday is the biggest derby game in history”

Not at all

I would have the 1971 title clincher as my choice
Belligerence
03-03-2016
Wish we just remained at Highbury. Fans don't help the team paying lip service to the board, and then booing/screaming when they go behind.
victor mel
04-03-2016
Originally Posted by Belligerence:
“Wish we just remained at Highbury. Fans don't help the team paying lip service to the board, and then booing/screaming when they go behind.”

I agree. The Emirates is a soulless,cooperate bowl. Highbury could be quiet at times but a fantastic atmosphere when it was needed. Liverpool, Spurs and Chelsea are all doing the right thing by remaining where they are but building more Capacity.
SpiderMan 83
04-03-2016
Hindsight is a very funny thing. Sometimes you have to be careful what you wish for. Would staying at Highbury have made a diffrence? Things would have been the same just that the club would have had less money but Aw and the board would have been the same.
ustarion
04-03-2016
Originally Posted by SpiderMan 83:
“Hindsight is a very funny thing. Sometimes you have to be careful what you wish for. Would staying at Highbury have made a diffrence? Things would have been the same just that the club would have had less money but Aw and the board would have been the same.”

Exactly and we weren't allowed to increase capacity at Highbury. That's the whole reason we had to leave.

The problem with Arsenal is Arsene Wenger. He needs to leave because he is holding the club back. I said at the start of the season signing one goalkeeper was a disaster for the club and so it has proved to be but any decent manager would have seen that themselves. Wenger is too arrogant to have this kind of foresight.
Nova21
04-03-2016
I almost feel sorry for Arsenal players as The Emirates is so devoid of atmosphere and so quiet that it must be at time a bit embarrassing. Also feel a bit for Wenger in that he probably realises it as well. A few London clubs do suffer from this, (Tottenham and West Ham being two of the better top flight ones) but Emirates is the worst. It is corporate which is partly the reason, but Ive got friends who have been season ticket holders for years, and they dont really sing when they go to games also.
satellite
04-03-2016
Originally Posted by Nova21:
“I almost feel sorry for Arsenal players as The Emirates is so devoid of atmosphere and so quiet that it must be at time a bit embarrassing. Also feel a bit for Wenger in that he probably realises it as well. A few London clubs do suffer from this, (Tottenham and West Ham being two of the better top flight ones) but Emirates is the worst. It is corporate which is partly the reason, but Ive got friends who have been season ticket holders for years, and they dont really sing when they go to games also.”

It's not great, quiet at times, but really not as bad as to say embarrassing? Maybe if the players gave the fans something to sing about - just a thought.
Goodwin
04-03-2016
I've said it before and I'll say it again, the fans are too detached from the playing area. I know they needed space to allow for medics and stuff but it's too much at the goal ends. It's not nearly intimidating enough. Tottenham's new stadium design is impressive and the fans are going to be much closer to the pitch.

I'd love terracing to come back too but that's another topic and realistically it's not going to happen.
Goodwin
04-03-2016
The pre match press conference taking place now...Cech will be out for 3-4 weeks. Wilshere 3-4 weeks away from a comeback.
DavidT
04-03-2016
Originally Posted by Goodwin:
“The pre match press conference taking place now...Cech will be out for 3-4 weeks. Wilshere 3-4 weeks away from a comeback.”

Ah, but did he say which 3-4 weeks?
batdude_uk1
04-03-2016
Originally Posted by Jim De Ville:
“I'd suggest that you've been misled, then.

Ferguson doesn't strike me as the type to be quietly shuffled aside, at the behest of owners who know little about the game.

It would also require the Glazers to have been utter lunatics, which their wealth suggests is not the case.

As for Wenger, barring a league title this season, I fully expect him to walk.”

Yeah I agree, I cannot see Sir Alex being ushered aside by anyone, he is his own person, and would have stepped down due to his own reasons, rather than at the behest of anyone else.

It would have been a massive PR own goal if this were to have been the case, as he was so beloved by the fans.

The reason he has given about hos wife's sister passing away, does seem rather more plausible then this suggestion.

In terms of Wenger, I can't see much changing as long as they finish in the top four, why would either he walk away from a very lucrative contact, and why would the board get rid of him, when he has been very good for them financially??

I think he will be at Arsenal for a while yet, and would be shocked if there were a change this summer.
DavidT
04-03-2016
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“Yeah I agree, I cannot see Sir Alex being ushered aside by anyone, he is his own person, and would have stepped down due to his own reasons, rather than at the behest of anyone else.

It would have been a massive PR own goal if this were to have been the case, as he was so beloved by the fans.

The reason he has given about hos wife's sister passing away, does seem rather more plausible then this suggestion.

In terms of Wenger, I can't see much changing as long as they finish in the top four, why would either he walk away from a very lucrative contact, and why would the board get rid of him, when he has been very good for them financially??

I think he will be at Arsenal for a while yet, and would be shocked if there were a change this summer.”

Its been made clear many times you are not welcome in here. Please respect others wishes.
SpiderMan 83
04-03-2016
Originally Posted by ustarion:
“Exactly and we weren't allowed to increase capacity at Highbury. That's the whole reason we had to leave.

The problem with Arsenal is Arsene Wenger. He needs to leave because he is holding the club back. I said at the start of the season signing one goalkeeper was a disaster for the club and so it has proved to be but any decent manager would have seen that themselves. Wenger is too arrogant to have this kind of foresight.”

Agree with this but i would say he still is a decent manager and if he went to a Everton, Newcastle or French etc National team could still do a job. I just think he is not was AFC needs any more. We need someone who wants a challenge, with fresh ideas. He needs to retire or go somewhere he can re enjoy the game again.

Originally Posted by Nova21:
“I almost feel sorry for Arsenal players as The Emirates is so devoid of atmosphere and so quiet that it must be at time a bit embarrassing. Also feel a bit for Wenger in that he probably realises it as well. A few London clubs do suffer from this, (Tottenham and West Ham being two of the better top flight ones) but Emirates is the worst. It is corporate which is partly the reason, but Ive got friends who have been season ticket holders for years, and they dont really sing when they go to games also.”

Joey Barton blamed the fans as well. Said they were part of the reason and maybe the players feel it. Guess sometimes we do need to be the 12th man like other teams. However when most of the real fans are priced out and the fans that go are the prawn Sandwhich brigade what do you expect.
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