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Old 04-03-2016, 11:54
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Agree with this but i would say he still is a decent manager and if he went to a Everton, Newcastle or French etc National team could still do a job. I just think he is not was AFC needs any more. We need someone who wants a challenge, with fresh ideas. He needs to retire or go somewhere he can re enjoy the game again.



Joey Barton blamed the fans as well. Said they were part of the reason and maybe the players feel it. Guess sometimes we do need to be the 12th man like other teams. However when most of the real fans are priced out and the fans that go are the prawn Sandwhich brigade what do you expect.
I'd take issue with what u said re real fans being priced out...where I sit for a cat c game costs me less than £30 and a tenner for my kids. I would argue that the majority of fans are desperate for the team to succeed and for Arsene to have one last hurrah. It's just a lot get incredibly frustrated by what seems to be a complete lack of urgency and drive from the players. I'm not absolving the fans completely but as Satellite said earlier the players also have to up there game and give the fans something to truly get behind.
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Old 04-03-2016, 13:27
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The cart is before the horse at Arsenal FC. Wenger holds more power than the chief exec. He even had hand in his appointment ffs. It's all so wrong. Kroenke doesn't give a monkey's as long as he's making money out of it all.

Yes I believe Wenger will still be in charge come the new season. Only if there is a complete capitulation between now and the season end, then he might decide to call it a day. But that is more hope than anything else. It's not easy to give up £8M. Plus he's too bloody arrogant just to walk away.

He will give it we were unlucky, injuries and so on cost us the league title if we don't win it. He will buy new players and ship out the deadwood. Arteta etc. We will prob be in the mix for the title. This season will be but a distant memory. There will be cause for optimism and a new deal will be offered. We'll get the usual sound bites. Nothing is decided blah blah. He'll sign a new 2 year deal and so on it goes.

Only if the stadium is half full and it's obvious that all is not well, then a new contract may not be offered. When he was in his pomp, he would keep everyone guessing and waiting to see if he would stay on. Now the club should do the same and keep him waiting instead of kowtowing to him. I guess it's ultimately up to Kroenke though and why would he change a winning formula? It could get very nasty before the season is over though and it may be a tipping point. Not to sack him but ensure that next season will be his last. Like I said before, we are in limbo to a certain extent. It's quite frankly disgraceful that it's been allowed to happen. The manager has become bigger than the club.
Arsenal rarely sack managers. Don Howe and George Graham were only dismissed when Arsenal were well down the table in 1985 and 1995. We are still 3rd.
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Old 04-03-2016, 13:44
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I've said it before and I'll say it again, the fans are too detached from the playing area. I know they needed space to allow for medics and stuff but it's too much at the goal ends. It's not nearly intimidating enough. Tottenham's new stadium design is impressive and the fans are going to be much closer to the pitch.

I'd love terracing to come back too but that's another topic and realistically it's not going to happen.
Nooooo - I'd hate that - all the being squashed against barriers. I'm of an age now when I like a nice sit down
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Old 04-03-2016, 13:47
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I'd take issue with what u said re real fans being priced out...where I sit for a cat c game costs me less than £30 and a tenner for my kids. I would argue that the majority of fans are desperate for the team to succeed and for Arsene to have one last hurrah. It's just a lot get incredibly frustrated by what seems to be a complete lack of urgency and drive from the players. I'm not absolving the fans completely but as Satellite said earlier the players also have to up there game and give the fans something to truly get behind.
I agree with that. When I was a Red Member and my youngest a Junior Gunner, it was great, quite cheap and I loved being in the Family Enclosure. My OH on the other hand is Upper Tier Row 1 and his ST costs a fortune. But he is a 'real' fan, been supporting Arsenal home and away, over 40 years now - it's just now he's older he can afford it more than when he was youger.
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Old 04-03-2016, 15:29
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Nooooo - I'd hate that - all the being squashed against barriers. I'm of an age now when I like a nice sit down
As I'm not very tall, it's nice not to be paying to look at the bloke in front's taste in jackets too.
I prefer seating, although I do enjoy lower tier more as the atmosphere is better. People stand a lot but sit when play is at the other end. However have rarely managed a Red lower tier. I've only been twice this season and both up in the gods.
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Old 04-03-2016, 16:04
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I almost feel sorry for Arsenal players as The Emirates is so devoid of atmosphere and so quiet that it must be at time a bit embarrassing. Also feel a bit for Wenger in that he probably realises it as well. A few London clubs do suffer from this, (Tottenham and West Ham being two of the better top flight ones) but Emirates is the worst. It is corporate which is partly the reason, but Ive got friends who have been season ticket holders for years, and they dont really sing when they go to games also.
Not to do with corporate, it was exactly the same at the Library before they moved.

Might be the chance of a lesson in how to do it tomorrow.
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Old 04-03-2016, 17:39
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I agree with that. When I was a Red Member and my youngest a Junior Gunner, it was great, quite cheap and I loved being in the Family Enclosure. My OH on the other hand is Upper Tier Row 1 and his ST costs a fortune. But he is a 'real' fan, been supporting Arsenal home and away, over 40 years now - it's just now he's older he can afford it more than when he was youger.
Yes I would support stadium redesign if it was likely to lead to improved performances. The ground which I have been closest to the play is Loftus road.
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Old 04-03-2016, 17:40
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Nooooo - I'd hate that - all the being squashed against barriers. I'm of an age now when I like a nice sit down
Quite right satellite! I am the same.
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Old 04-03-2016, 17:44
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Nooooo - I'd hate that - all the being squashed against barriers. I'm of an age now when I like a nice sit down
I don't mean as in the old style terracing but a smaller safe area for standing. Controlled numbers and all that.

What annoys me is your're sitting down and as soon as there is a bit of action near the goal, every fecker stands up and you can't see a bloody thing unless you stand up too. If you have seats then sit the f down and stay down. For those who would like to stand then make a safe area available. I don't mind sitting down but I can't be doing this sit down, stand up, sit down, stand up, sit down and so on...does my head in and my back
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Old 04-03-2016, 17:51
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I don't mean as in the old style terracing but a smaller safe area for standing. Controlled numbers and all that.

What annoys me is your're sitting down and as soon as there is a bit of action near the goal, every fecker stands up and you can't see a bloody thing unless you stand up too. If you have seats then sit the f down and stay down. For those who would like to stand then make a safe area available. I don't mind sitting down but I can't be doing this sit down, stand up, sit down, stand up, sit down and so on...does my head in and my back
There is that! At Watford v Arsenal recently we were right in the corner at Vicarage Road and we were up & down like yo-yos - the bloke next to me said "it's like when you're looking for a bus".
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Old 04-03-2016, 18:17
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There is that! At Watford v Arsenal recently we were right in the corner at Vicarage Road and we were up & down like yo-yos - the bloke next to me said "it's like when you're looking for a bus".
It's human nature I guess but standing up isn't going to make the team more likely to score. Fair enough when they score then yes stand up and celebrate. Anyway, you get my point so won't go on

It makes a change going into a NLD as underdogs. It's a tag that I don't mind at all. There's just as much pressure on Tottenham, if not more. We have been sh** lately anyway so won't be a shock if we do lose.
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Old 04-03-2016, 22:23
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I dont think theres any way we're coming out of this well.
According to Arsenal.com we play Hull in the replay on the 8th March, and then West Brom at home 4 days later, and then "Possible Quarter Final" (Watford) on 13th
That will have to be rearranged surely?!
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Old 04-03-2016, 22:29
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I dont think theres any way we're coming out of this well.
According to Arsenal.com we play Hull in the replay on the 8th March, and then West Brom at home 4 days later, and then "Possible Quarter Final" (Watford) on 13th
That will have to be rearranged surely?!
Fret not Grim. It will be one or the other. If we beat Hull then we will play Watford on the 13th. If not, then will play West Brom as planned. It's the cup weekend so it will take precedent over any league games. The West Brom game will need to be re-arranged if we are still in the cup after Tuesday.
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Old 05-03-2016, 07:18
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I would argue that the majority of fans are desperate for the team to succeed and for Arsene to have one last hurrah.
The problem as I see it though is that although the fans might see us winning something as a last hurrah for Arsene, would he? If that was all he was waiting for he could have happily stepped away after winning the FA Cup in 2014 or 2015 but he didn't. Would he do it if another title came long? I can't see it. I think Arsene's problem (and ours) is that he doesn't know how to stop.

I think the only way he will give up his power at the club is to be sacked or through ill health. I just can't see it ending positively.
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Old 05-03-2016, 08:13
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I think the only way he will give up his power at the club is to be sacked or through ill health. I just can't see it ending positively.
I think you are right there.

Arsene loves the club, of that I have no doubt. But it's like a marriage that's gone sour and one party is hanging on for all its worth and won't believe there's not a way to fix it. I don't think he can go himself, he just can't bring himself to leave, it'd break him as its been such a part of his life. Therein lies the problem for us fans anyway.

But he IS, for the time being anyway, doing his job well for the Board, bringing in money every year, so why would they sack him, they just won't.

So I envisage at least 5 more years of this, he's not getting any younger though and maybe by then we'll be out of the top 4, so who knows?

What I am sure of, is even when we do get a new manager it ain't going to be a quick fix, re-building is going to take a long time.

On that depressing note - COYG, show us some mental strength today please
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Old 05-03-2016, 10:02
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Fret not Grim. It will be one or the other. If we beat Hull then we will play Watford on the 13th. If not, then will play West Brom as planned. It's the cup weekend so it will take precedent over any league games. The West Brom game will need to be re-arranged if we are still in the cup after Tuesday.
Thanks for explaining
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Old 05-03-2016, 10:10
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It's only Spuds, lads.

The biggest bottlers and lasagne gobbling knob jockeys the world has ever seen.

And let's not forget...

http://www.2atoms.com/time-since-spu...ve-arsenal.htm

So let's make like George Michael and have some faith. Without falling out of our car, or getting arrested, again, that is.
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Old 05-03-2016, 10:14
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FWIW, I don't see him being here in 5 years time. He will make a decision sometime next season. It also depends how this season pans out. He may feel he can do no more but I really don't see him calling it a day unless it's under exceptional circumstances. I mean calling it a day at the end of this season. My gut feeling is though he will leave at the end of this current contract despite any new deals on the table.
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Old 05-03-2016, 10:43
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FWIW, I don't see him being here in 5 years time. He will make a decision sometime next season. It also depends how this season pans out. He may feel he can do no more but I really don't see him calling it a day unless it's under exceptional circumstances. I mean calling it a day at the end of this season. My gut feeling is though he will leave at the end of this current contract despite any new deals on the table.
The problem is though is that Guardiola, Mourinho & Klopp were all available recently. A perfect time to start a fresh. A massive missed opportunity by the Arsenal board I feel. Most likely Koeman or Martinez will take over eventually.

If Leicester can win the title without spending much money, what does that say about a team like Arsenal?

Wenger has taken Arsenal as far as he's going to take them. It's time to move on.
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Old 05-03-2016, 10:54
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If Leicester can win the title without spending much money, what does that say about a team like Arsenal?
Even without the spending (which is a huge issue in itself) try comparing our wage bill with Leicester (or Spurs come to that). That fact alone should mean he goes at the end of the season. The amount wasted on project Wenger over the past ten years is frightening.
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Old 05-03-2016, 11:07
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The problem is though is that Guardiola, Mourinho & Klopp were all available recently. A perfect time to start a fresh. A massive missed opportunity by the Arsenal board I feel. Most likely Koeman or Martinez will take over eventually.

If Leicester can win the title without spending much money, what does that say about a team like Arsenal?

Wenger has taken Arsenal as far as he's going to take them. It's time to move on.
It's all about timing eh. Re Mourihno, I think it will be a cold day in hell before he is considered. I'd rather have Koeman over Martinez. Once it's more or less confirmed that Wenger will walk at the end of next season then preparations will be made to find his successor. He will need to indicate by say, Christmas or early new year what his intentions are so things can get moving if we are to need a new manager for the season after next.

Re Leicester. What can I say?! It will be a most fantastic achievement if they do go on to win it. Some will say it's a fluke but you can't fluke a league title. They obviously have a good togetherness and no ego's in the camp. They all know their job and Ranieri doesn't get too uptight and start blaming the ref for a defeat. Ahem. It' not just about how much is spent but players knowing what they have to do without too much fuss and lots of effort. Something lacking at Arsenal recently.
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Old 05-03-2016, 11:55
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Campbell and Monreal, the only two who were decent on Wednesday night, dropped to the bench.
#wengerout
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Old 05-03-2016, 11:57
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Blimey Elneny starts with Wenger persisting with Ramsey instead of Campbell even though he played well in the win against them in the League Cup.

Giroud dropped for missing a sitter against Swansea.

Surprised to see Gibbs start in such a big game.
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Old 05-03-2016, 11:59
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It's only Spuds, lads.

The biggest bottlers and lasagne gobbling knob jockeys the world has ever seen.

And let's not forget...

http://www.2atoms.com/time-since-spu...ve-arsenal.htm

So let's make like George Michael and have some faith. Without falling out of our car, or getting arrested, again, that is.
That clock will probably have to be reset after this season.
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Old 05-03-2016, 12:05
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Blimey Elneny starts with Wenger persisting with Ramsey instead of Campbell even though he played well in the win against them in the League Cup.

Giroud dropped for missing a sitter against Swansea.

Surprised to see Gibbs start in such a big game.
He's obviously going for more solidity in midfield...but like you surprised Campbell is benched
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