I'd take issue with what u said re real fans being priced out...where I sit for a cat c game costs me less than £30 and a tenner for my kids. I would argue that the majority of fans are desperate for the team to succeed and for Arsene to have one last hurrah. It's just a lot get incredibly frustrated by what seems to be a complete lack of urgency and drive from the players. I'm not absolving the fans completely but as Satellite said earlier the players also have to up there game and give the fans something to truly get behind.

Arsenal rarely sack managers. Don Howe and George Graham were only dismissed when Arsenal were well down the table in 1985 and 1995. We are still 3rd.

Nooooo - I'd hate that - all the being squashed against barriers. I'm of an age now when I like a nice sit down

I agree with that. When I was a Red Member and my youngest a Junior Gunner, it was great, quite cheap and I loved being in the Family Enclosure. My OH on the other hand is Upper Tier Row 1 and his ST costs a fortune. But he is a 'real' fan, been supporting Arsenal home and away, over 40 years now - it's just now he's older he can afford it more than when he was youger.

As I'm not very tall, it's nice not to be paying to look at the bloke in front's taste in jackets too.
I prefer seating, although I do enjoy lower tier more as the atmosphere is better. People stand a lot but sit when play is at the other end. However have rarely managed a Red lower tier. I've only been twice this season and both up in the gods.

Not to do with corporate, it was exactly the same at the Library before they moved.

Might be the chance of a lesson in how to do it tomorrow.

Yes I would support stadium redesign if it was likely to lead to improved performances. The ground which I have been closest to the play is Loftus road.

Quite right satellite! I am the same.

I don't mean as in the old style terracing but a smaller safe area for standing. Controlled numbers and all that.

What annoys me is your're sitting down and as soon as there is a bit of action near the goal, every fecker stands up and you can't see a bloody thing unless you stand up too. If you have seats then sit the f down and stay down. For those who would like to stand then make a safe area available. I don't mind sitting down but I can't be doing this sit down, stand up, sit down, stand up, sit down and so on...does my head in and my back

There is that! At Watford v Arsenal recently we were right in the corner at Vicarage Road and we were up & down like yo-yos - the bloke next to me said "it's like when you're looking for a bus".

It's human nature I guess but standing up isn't going to make the team more likely to score. Fair enough when they score then yes stand up and celebrate. Anyway, you get my point so won't go on

It makes a change going into a NLD as underdogs. It's a tag that I don't mind at all. There's just as much pressure on Tottenham, if not more. We have been sh** lately anyway so won't be a shock if we do lose.

I dont think theres any way we're coming out of this well.
According to Arsenal.com we play Hull in the replay on the 8th March, and then West Brom at home 4 days later, and then "Possible Quarter Final" (Watford) on 13th
That will have to be rearranged surely?!

Fret not Grim. It will be one or the other. If we beat Hull then we will play Watford on the 13th. If not, then will play West Brom as planned. It's the cup weekend so it will take precedent over any league games. The West Brom game will need to be re-arranged if we are still in the cup after Tuesday.

The problem as I see it though is that although the fans might see us winning something as a last hurrah for Arsene, would he? If that was all he was waiting for he could have happily stepped away after winning the FA Cup in 2014 or 2015 but he didn't. Would he do it if another title came long? I can't see it. I think Arsene's problem (and ours) is that he doesn't know how to stop.

I think the only way he will give up his power at the club is to be sacked or through ill health. I just can't see it ending positively.

I think you are right there.

Arsene loves the club, of that I have no doubt. But it's like a marriage that's gone sour and one party is hanging on for all its worth and won't believe there's not a way to fix it. I don't think he can go himself, he just can't bring himself to leave, it'd break him as its been such a part of his life. Therein lies the problem for us fans anyway.

But he IS, for the time being anyway, doing his job well for the Board, bringing in money every year, so why would they sack him, they just won't.

So I envisage at least 5 more years of this, he's not getting any younger though and maybe by then we'll be out of the top 4, so who knows?

What I am sure of, is even when we do get a new manager it ain't going to be a quick fix, re-building is going to take a long time.

On that depressing note - COYG, show us some mental strength today please

Thanks for explaining

It's only Spuds, lads.

The biggest bottlers and lasagne gobbling knob jockeys the world has ever seen.

And let's not forget...

http://www.2atoms.com/time-since-spu...ve-arsenal.htm

So let's make like George Michael and have some faith. Without falling out of our car, or getting arrested, again, that is.

FWIW, I don't see him being here in 5 years time. He will make a decision sometime next season. It also depends how this season pans out. He may feel he can do no more but I really don't see him calling it a day unless it's under exceptional circumstances. I mean calling it a day at the end of this season. My gut feeling is though he will leave at the end of this current contract despite any new deals on the table.

The problem is though is that Guardiola, Mourinho & Klopp were all available recently. A perfect time to start a fresh. A massive missed opportunity by the Arsenal board I feel. Most likely Koeman or Martinez will take over eventually.

If Leicester can win the title without spending much money, what does that say about a team like Arsenal?

Wenger has taken Arsenal as far as he's going to take them. It's time to move on.

Even without the spending (which is a huge issue in itself) try comparing our wage bill with Leicester (or Spurs come to that). That fact alone should mean he goes at the end of the season. The amount wasted on project Wenger over the past ten years is frightening.

It's all about timing eh. Re Mourihno, I think it will be a cold day in hell before he is considered. I'd rather have Koeman over Martinez. Once it's more or less confirmed that Wenger will walk at the end of next season then preparations will be made to find his successor. He will need to indicate by say, Christmas or early new year what his intentions are so things can get moving if we are to need a new manager for the season after next.

Re Leicester. What can I say?! It will be a most fantastic achievement if they do go on to win it. Some will say it's a fluke but you can't fluke a league title. They obviously have a good togetherness and no ego's in the camp. They all know their job and Ranieri doesn't get too uptight and start blaming the ref for a defeat. Ahem. It' not just about how much is spent but players knowing what they have to do without too much fuss and lots of effort. Something lacking at Arsenal recently.

Campbell and Monreal, the only two who were decent on Wednesday night, dropped to the bench.
#wengerout

Blimey Elneny starts with Wenger persisting with Ramsey instead of Campbell even though he played well in the win against them in the League Cup.

Giroud dropped for missing a sitter against Swansea.

Surprised to see Gibbs start in such a big game.

That clock will probably have to be reset after this season.

He's obviously going for more solidity in midfield...but like you surprised Campbell is benched