This sums up Wenger's Arsenal today....hell, may as well have a laugh 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLCZZAheNSU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLCZZAheNSU
Arsenal Supporters Thread (Part 16)
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When the time finally does come to replace Arsene Wenger, I think the club need to think, and choose very, very carefully. We have a clear example with Manchester United, what can happen if you don't get it right. The club can be taken back hugely.
Those calling for a change, any change, as long as it's a change, are completely wrong in my opinion. In Wenger we have a very good manager, who has kept a steady ship, and in all likelihood will continue to do so. A change may prove positive, and make us more serious challengers for the title and CL. But then again, it may end up being disastrous, and see us finishing down the table, with no European football, and no chance of signing very good players, or keeping the ones we have.
I wouldn't like to see us go for one of the mercenary managers that are currently doing the rounds - and I include Guardiola in that. Those men have no loyalty, and are driven purely for personal success. We would end up on the mad, never-ending merry go round of sackings and appointments. That is not Arsenal. I'd like to see us appoint a young, innovative manager who will see Arsenal Football Club as a long term project - much like Wenger has - and put the best interests of the club before anything else.
If I was making the choice now, I would be giving very serious consideration to Eddie Howe.
Those calling for a change, any change, as long as it's a change, are completely wrong in my opinion. In Wenger we have a very good manager, who has kept a steady ship, and in all likelihood will continue to do so. A change may prove positive, and make us more serious challengers for the title and CL. But then again, it may end up being disastrous, and see us finishing down the table, with no European football, and no chance of signing very good players, or keeping the ones we have.
I wouldn't like to see us go for one of the mercenary managers that are currently doing the rounds - and I include Guardiola in that. Those men have no loyalty, and are driven purely for personal success. We would end up on the mad, never-ending merry go round of sackings and appointments. That is not Arsenal. I'd like to see us appoint a young, innovative manager who will see Arsenal Football Club as a long term project - much like Wenger has - and put the best interests of the club before anything else.
If I was making the choice now, I would be giving very serious consideration to Eddie Howe.
There's no guarantees in life. Yes of course a replacement needs to carefully chosen but the time has come for a change. Nothing goes on forever. I am expecting Wenger to the manager come August but a I said previously the groundwork needs to be laid for a new manager.
Originally Posted by owen10:
“How much do you think Arsenal have missed Cazorla this season as he is one of those players that can win a game with a great pass”
“How much do you think Arsenal have missed Cazorla this season as he is one of those players that can win a game with a great pass”
Immensely.
We carried on winning without Sanchez but our title chances faltered when Cazorla got injured. Wenger should know playing two holding midfield players isn't going to help matters against a defensive team.
Iwobi played good passes to the forwards against Hull under pressure, why not play him in midfield with so many of our creative players injured? He made a massive difference when he came on.
Quote:
“Arsenal’s problems in midfield were not helped by Arsène Wenger’s enforced use of two holding players, Francis Coquelin and Mohamed Elneny. While the duo performed well in an all-action, physical battle at White Hart Lane last weekend they were much less suited to this type of contest, where Arsenal had all the possession and required intricate, positive passes into the final third to penetrate an extremely well-organised opposition. Wenger could have done with the injured Aaron Ramsey, not to mention Santi Cazorla, Jack Wilshere or Mikel Arteta, all long-term absentees.
Amid inevitable discussion of Arsenal’s lack of leaders, fighting spirit and organisation – the standard Arsenal cliches – the sluggishness of their midfield passing has often been overlooked.
That was particularly obvious here. Against a side sitting back Arsenal needed someone to lift the tempo and dominate but it was only in the final 20 minutes, when chasing the game, that Arsenal knocked quick passes into the attackers.”
“Arsenal’s problems in midfield were not helped by Arsène Wenger’s enforced use of two holding players, Francis Coquelin and Mohamed Elneny. While the duo performed well in an all-action, physical battle at White Hart Lane last weekend they were much less suited to this type of contest, where Arsenal had all the possession and required intricate, positive passes into the final third to penetrate an extremely well-organised opposition. Wenger could have done with the injured Aaron Ramsey, not to mention Santi Cazorla, Jack Wilshere or Mikel Arteta, all long-term absentees.
Amid inevitable discussion of Arsenal’s lack of leaders, fighting spirit and organisation – the standard Arsenal cliches – the sluggishness of their midfield passing has often been overlooked.
That was particularly obvious here. Against a side sitting back Arsenal needed someone to lift the tempo and dominate but it was only in the final 20 minutes, when chasing the game, that Arsenal knocked quick passes into the attackers.”
http://www.theguardian.com/football/...fa-cup-tactics
Originally Posted by Elyan:
“I do still think the title will be very close. We have a very realistic chance of winning it.”
“I do still think the title will be very close. We have a very realistic chance of winning it.”
we got 2 hopes.
Originally Posted by Elyan:
“When the time finally does come to replace Arsene Wenger, I think the club need to think, and choose very, very carefully. We have a clear example with Manchester United, what can happen if you don't get it right. The club can be taken back hugely.
Those calling for a change, any change, as long as it's a change, are completely wrong in my opinion. In Wenger we have a very good manager, who has kept a steady ship, and in all likelihood will continue to do so. A change may prove positive, and make us more serious challengers for the title and CL. But then again, it may end up being disastrous, and see us finishing down the table, with no European football, and no chance of signing very good players, or keeping the ones we have.
I wouldn't like to see us go for one of the mercenary managers that are currently doing the rounds - and I include Guardiola in that. Those men have no loyalty, and are driven purely for personal success. We would end up on the mad, never-ending merry go round of sackings and appointments. That is not Arsenal. I'd like to see us appoint a young, innovative manager who will see Arsenal Football Club as a long term project - much like Wenger has - and put the best interests of the club before anything else.
If I was making the choice now, I would be giving very serious consideration to Eddie Howe.”
“When the time finally does come to replace Arsene Wenger, I think the club need to think, and choose very, very carefully. We have a clear example with Manchester United, what can happen if you don't get it right. The club can be taken back hugely.
Those calling for a change, any change, as long as it's a change, are completely wrong in my opinion. In Wenger we have a very good manager, who has kept a steady ship, and in all likelihood will continue to do so. A change may prove positive, and make us more serious challengers for the title and CL. But then again, it may end up being disastrous, and see us finishing down the table, with no European football, and no chance of signing very good players, or keeping the ones we have.
I wouldn't like to see us go for one of the mercenary managers that are currently doing the rounds - and I include Guardiola in that. Those men have no loyalty, and are driven purely for personal success. We would end up on the mad, never-ending merry go round of sackings and appointments. That is not Arsenal. I'd like to see us appoint a young, innovative manager who will see Arsenal Football Club as a long term project - much like Wenger has - and put the best interests of the club before anything else.
If I was making the choice now, I would be giving very serious consideration to Eddie Howe.”
Too much blindfaith as usual. Wenger is done the sooner you accept it the better. Thus is why the club does not move forward too many fans still kissing his ass. Change is needed big time and that is what is best for the club.
Originally Posted by SpiderMan 83:
“Too much blindfaith as usual. Wenger is done the sooner you accept it the better. Thus is why the club does not move forward too many fans still kissing his ass. Change is needed big time and that is what is best for the club.”
“Too much blindfaith as usual. Wenger is done the sooner you accept it the better. Thus is why the club does not move forward too many fans still kissing his ass. Change is needed big time and that is what is best for the club.”
Just change then? It doesn't matter who? Just get rid of Wenger. That's it.
Pressure is growing http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35799716
Originally Posted by Elyan:
“Just change then? It doesn't matter who? Just get rid of Wenger. That's it.”
“Just change then? It doesn't matter who? Just get rid of Wenger. That's it.”
Of course it matters who, and I don't think it's fair to suggest that people who want to see a change think differently. If ODL is on his way out this summer, the board will appoint someone who will match or better the performances of late.
There will be a number of capable manager available and I would like to see someone De Boer, who's doing a good job at Ajax, with DB10 alongside him. He'd be ideally placed to bring a few players in and has played and managed at a high level. There are a few gems at Ajax, Bazoer, Dijks etc and he seems to be able to keep players fit and motivated. He's won the league quite a few times now with Ajax and may well win it again this year (although they missed a chance yesterday...).
Wenger has made huge mistakes and while he bought some time with winning back to back FA Cups, I feel that it's time to move on. Not bringing in outfield players was imo lunacy, and we should have gotten rid of Rosicky, Arteta, Flamini. That would have strengthened the squad hugely. It's frustrating to see the likes of Higuain, Morata and Schneiderlin (to a lesser degree) play elsewhere. These three players were available and well within our budget and would have made a huge difference to our squad. ODL is in danger of (further) damaging his legacy at the club.
Yes, he is probably the best manager we'll ever had, but he's not performed over the last few years at the very least. We should have won the league comfortably this season and gotten through to the FA Cup semi. Normally, we start getting results and go on a run now, but we've been poor for a while now. Why is that?
Originally Posted by Wouter:
“Of course it matters who, and I don't think it's fair to suggest that people who want to see a change think differently. If ODL is on his way out this summer, the board will appoint someone who will match or better the performances of late.
There will be a number of capable manager available and I would like to see someone De Boer, who's doing a good job at Ajax, with DB10 alongside him. He'd be ideally placed to bring a few players in and has played and managed at a high level. There are a few gems at Ajax, Bazoer, Dijks etc and he seems to be able to keep players fit and motivated. He's won the league quite a few times now with Ajax and may well win it again this year (although they missed a chance yesterday...).
Wenger has made huge mistakes and while he bought some time with winning back to back FA Cups, I feel that it's time to move on. Not bringing in outfield players was imo lunacy, and we should have gotten rid of Rosicky, Arteta, Flamini. That would have strengthened the squad hugely. It's frustrating to see the likes of Higuain, Morata and Schneiderlin (to a lesser degree) play elsewhere. These three players were available and well within our budget and would have made a huge difference to our squad. ODL is in danger of (further) damaging his legacy at the club.
Yes, he is probably the best manager we'll ever had, but he's not performed over the last few years at the very least. We should have won the league comfortably this season and gotten through to the FA Cup semi. Normally, we start getting results and go on a run now, but we've been poor for a while now. Why is that?”
“Of course it matters who, and I don't think it's fair to suggest that people who want to see a change think differently. If ODL is on his way out this summer, the board will appoint someone who will match or better the performances of late.
There will be a number of capable manager available and I would like to see someone De Boer, who's doing a good job at Ajax, with DB10 alongside him. He'd be ideally placed to bring a few players in and has played and managed at a high level. There are a few gems at Ajax, Bazoer, Dijks etc and he seems to be able to keep players fit and motivated. He's won the league quite a few times now with Ajax and may well win it again this year (although they missed a chance yesterday...).
Wenger has made huge mistakes and while he bought some time with winning back to back FA Cups, I feel that it's time to move on. Not bringing in outfield players was imo lunacy, and we should have gotten rid of Rosicky, Arteta, Flamini. That would have strengthened the squad hugely. It's frustrating to see the likes of Higuain, Morata and Schneiderlin (to a lesser degree) play elsewhere. These three players were available and well within our budget and would have made a huge difference to our squad. ODL is in danger of (further) damaging his legacy at the club.
Yes, he is probably the best manager we'll ever had, but he's not performed over the last few years at the very least. We should have won the league comfortably this season and gotten through to the FA Cup semi. Normally, we start getting results and go on a run now, but we've been poor for a while now. Why is that?”
Your last line sums it up really. It’s stale and there are no signs of any progress at all. We have fewer points than last season at the same time and last season’s points at the same stage were lower than the season before. We are witnessing more and more poor performances and making even more mistakes than before. Our CL performances are the same every season. The injury list is as long as ever. Where is the progress in any direction? Where is there any attempt to make any progress? The tactics never change. The excuses are even the same!
We should have been competing this season more than ever but once again we are falling away. I can’t see Wenger turning it around. He’s been rebuilding for ever and we aren’t getting anywhere. That’s not to say the board is blameless either. It’s groundhog day and frankly I’m fed up with it. Personally I didn’t even get upset yesterday I’m just sort of resigned to it all now. In many ways that the worst part of it. It’s boring in the extreme.
Biggest reason why we need a new manager is due to Wenger having been here too long to look at the problems from a distance and act accordingly no matter how ruthless it is.
Fergie or Mourinho wouldn't have put up with this mediocrity the players keep dishing up.
A new manager would try and keep whats good and get rid of what's holding us back.
My order of preference in the next manager
1) Lowe
2) Simeone
3) De Boer with Bergkamp as No.2
4) Koeman
Plenty of managers to choose from and any of the above would be a better appointment than what Moyes was for Man Utd.
Fergie or Mourinho wouldn't have put up with this mediocrity the players keep dishing up.
A new manager would try and keep whats good and get rid of what's holding us back.
My order of preference in the next manager
1) Lowe
2) Simeone
3) De Boer with Bergkamp as No.2
4) Koeman
Plenty of managers to choose from and any of the above would be a better appointment than what Moyes was for Man Utd.
Originally Posted by grimtales1:
“I'm just fed up and feel depressed
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“I'm just fed up and feel depressed
”
Chin up fella, no point letting this lot get you down.
Originally Posted by Elyan:
“Just change then? It doesn't matter who? Just get rid of Wenger. That's it.”
“Just change then? It doesn't matter who? Just get rid of Wenger. That's it.”
Of course it matters, i guess the likes of Simone, Koeman, lowe are where we should be looking. I am not one of those who think anyone can do a better job, however change is needed. The players are starting to not playbfor him and fans are turning in him. He needs to move before it gets nasty.
We should've won the title comfortably, but then again you could say the same about Manchester City? It is what it is, a lot of teams will have regrets. I guess given the balance of power, Arsenal will rightly feel more anger because it seems like a once-in-a-lifetime chance to win the title.
You don't expect City, Liverpool, United, Chelsea all to do so bad next season.
If we had someone like RVP in the team, I would be confident of chasing down Spurs and Leicester.
The whole club from top to bottom is a mess. Who is giving Wenger this power to do what he feels like? Where is the pressure? Where is the ambition? Who is he accountable to? Why do they allow him to make the same mistakes over and over again? Why do Arsenal players keep getting injuries? Why do they always bottle it in February and March? Why can't they start games on the front foot?
You don't expect City, Liverpool, United, Chelsea all to do so bad next season.
Originally Posted by Elyan:
“I do still think the title will be very close. We have a very realistic chance of winning it.”
“I do still think the title will be very close. We have a very realistic chance of winning it.”
If we had someone like RVP in the team, I would be confident of chasing down Spurs and Leicester.
The whole club from top to bottom is a mess. Who is giving Wenger this power to do what he feels like? Where is the pressure? Where is the ambition? Who is he accountable to? Why do they allow him to make the same mistakes over and over again? Why do Arsenal players keep getting injuries? Why do they always bottle it in February and March? Why can't they start games on the front foot?
Originally Posted by NightHawk123:
“Kroenke and the board can go to hell. The worst thing that could happen to the club.
We're making a healthy profit and getting into the CL every season so no reason to get rid of Wenger who is stuck in the past.”
“Kroenke and the board can go to hell. The worst thing that could happen to the club.
We're making a healthy profit and getting into the CL every season so no reason to get rid of Wenger who is stuck in the past.”
On recent form 4th place maybe hard to secure. The way this season has played out a number of clubs could still claim 3rd/4th spot.
Says it all really:
http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/foot...-a3202046.html
But then again, City have spent £150m and are about the same as us league position wise, and Chelsea have fallen apart.
http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/foot...-a3202046.html
But then again, City have spent £150m and are about the same as us league position wise, and Chelsea have fallen apart.
Originally Posted by Belligerence:
“The whole club from top to bottom is a mess. Who is giving Wenger this power to do what he feels like? Where is the pressure? Where is the ambition? Who is he accountable to? Why do they allow him to make the same mistakes over and over again? Why do Arsenal players keep getting injuries? Why do they always bottle it in February and March? Why can't they start games on the front foot?”
“The whole club from top to bottom is a mess. Who is giving Wenger this power to do what he feels like? Where is the pressure? Where is the ambition? Who is he accountable to? Why do they allow him to make the same mistakes over and over again? Why do Arsenal players keep getting injuries? Why do they always bottle it in February and March? Why can't they start games on the front foot?”
The whole club knows it role that is why. Only when top 4 is at threat we act. The fact all the rest have been useless meant to this lot they can be complacent. The players got arrogant all season thinking it was their's before the get go. Wenger did not spend much because his rivals did not. Same in Jan he thought this lot would do it. We have a owner who does not care and is happt with mediocity, so the rest of the club will be as well. Like someone said we will got to Barca and grab a narrow win, a hero's win ss usual. Than once the tital race is officially done we will start playing great footie.
In that case something needs to change the whole nature of the club.
A 7th FA Cup would have been a great achievement but we thought all we had to do was turn up. ****ing pathetic
A 7th FA Cup would have been a great achievement but we thought all we had to do was turn up. ****ing pathetic
Originally Posted by victor mel:
“Three in a row cup wins is once in a lifetime for a club. We blew it & the Chance to make history.”
“Three in a row cup wins is once in a lifetime for a club. We blew it & the Chance to make history.”
Yeah, exactly
Originally Posted by Belligerence:
“1) Who is giving Wenger this power to do what he feels like?
Kroenke and the board.
2) Where is the pressure?
Only from the fans as the board are happy to maintain status quo otherwise AW would have been sacked years ago.
3) Where is the ambition?
There is none if you read the latest comments from Kroenke.
4) Who is he accountable to?
No one as he seems to have earned the right to leave when he wants.
5) Why do they allow him to make the same mistakes over and over again?
If you are referring to they as in the board then they keep allowing him as it is not affecting the profits yet as he keeps getting the club into the CL.
6) Why do Arsenal players keep getting injuries?
Training regime and firm pitches. Possibly players not looking after themselves neither.
7) Why do they always bottle it in February and March?
When the pressure is on they crumble.
8) Why can't they start games on the front foot?
No ambition, they assume everything will work out until its too late.”
“1) Who is giving Wenger this power to do what he feels like?
Kroenke and the board.
2) Where is the pressure?
Only from the fans as the board are happy to maintain status quo otherwise AW would have been sacked years ago.
3) Where is the ambition?
There is none if you read the latest comments from Kroenke.
4) Who is he accountable to?
No one as he seems to have earned the right to leave when he wants.
5) Why do they allow him to make the same mistakes over and over again?
If you are referring to they as in the board then they keep allowing him as it is not affecting the profits yet as he keeps getting the club into the CL.
6) Why do Arsenal players keep getting injuries?
Training regime and firm pitches. Possibly players not looking after themselves neither.
7) Why do they always bottle it in February and March?
When the pressure is on they crumble.
8) Why can't they start games on the front foot?
No ambition, they assume everything will work out until its too late.”
I'm sure you knew the answers already
With a bit of luck Wenger (who accepts absolutely no responsibility) will be gone by the end of this season by mutual consent. He is like a millstone around the neck of AFC.
Originally Posted by Goodwin:
“This sums up Wenger's Arsenal today....hell, may as well have a laugh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLCZZAheNSU”
“This sums up Wenger's Arsenal today....hell, may as well have a laugh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLCZZAheNSU”
We could have done with Wilf "Adapted for Speed" Finney instead of Walcott yesterday
Evening Standard - Mertesacker - We must find our killer instinct again. 'I wanted as well that we go through here, I think we had the chances and we played in the right way apart from the fact we didn't score. That is something you need to do in football if you want to be successful'.
You couldn't make it up.
You couldn't make it up.
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