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Old 09-04-2016, 23:26
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want to see Cech back next game, and Mert. While Ospina wasn't at fault, he doesn't command or reassure the shaky defence as well as Cech. Mert might be slow, but not in a million years would Gabriel ever play for Germany.
I agree re top 4 but it would be hard to sign anyone world class (assuming....!) if we miss out on the CL and might be hard to hold the few we have. Plus I think the Board would still hold on to Wenger.
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Old 10-04-2016, 10:02
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Mertesacker who can defend but has got no pace and Gabriel who has pace but can't defend. Great options there Wenger.
Might as well play Calum Chambers.

Big part of me hopes we don't make CL now - maybe that might be the catalyst for something to finally happen.
It's a pointless endeavour to keep qualifying for something we never get past the Last 16 in anyway.

Wenger out.
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Old 10-04-2016, 10:49
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I am sure we will get top 4, especially with the fixtures we have left. It's all about finishing above that lot now. But if we don't then so be it but as long as we are top 4. Hoping they drop points to Utd later on today. I doubt it would make any difference if we didn't make the CL cut. I mean Wenger wouldn't up and leave. Better to still be in it than the awful Thursday cup. Sod that!
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Old 10-04-2016, 13:39
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Once we get our of the top 4 Aw will go. He has said it himself and the board will see losing big tv money as failure. He will be invited to resign. I think even he'd no he has failed.
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Old 10-04-2016, 14:48
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Once we get our of the top 4 Aw will go. He has said it himself and the board will see losing big tv money as failure. He will be invited to resign. I think even he'd no he has failed.
Has he? I must have missed that memo. Let's face it, he's said a great many things over the years, a lot of it's been nonsense as well - remember that old one "judge me in May"?

The Board have come out before and said they'd stick with their man, CL football or no CL football - makes no difference, he's here to stay chaps.

As David so eloquently put it yesterday, more of the same next year.

Edit: looks like Leicester have scored, poor old Totts
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Old 10-04-2016, 15:29
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Has he? I must have missed that memo. Let's face it, he's said a great many things over the years, a lot of it's been nonsense as well - remember that old one "judge me in May"?

The Board have come out before and said they'd stick with their man, CL football or no CL football - makes no difference, he's here to stay chaps.

As David so eloquently put it yesterday, more of the same next year.

Edit: looks like Leicester have scored, poor old Totts
The board will back him while he meets his target. Finish 5th if failure to all. Then there will be a left by mutual consent sort of thing. The board will not come out now and say he will be fired if ge does not make top 4. Arsenal never do things like that. He will be pushed out like Moyes was for losing his boses big CL money.

Also finishing 5th is no easy thing getting back into the top 4 would be a task AW would struggle to do.
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Old 10-04-2016, 15:52
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The club are well insulated if they were to miss out on the CL next season. Wenger himself may decide to call it day but I don't see him being 'pushed'. And even Wenger isn't going to go, he just won't. Anyway we ain't going to miss out on it so it's all academic.

It's been said before but I'll reiterate that if Wenger and his squad can't win the title when there wasn't an easier time to do it with the likes of Chelsea, Utd and City floundering then it's not going to happen next season when they will have strengthened plus new managers at two of those clubs. That said, I think Chelsea will still be a mixed bag as far as results go but they won't be as bad as they have been this season. Tottenham aren't going to fade away either.

Wenger blew it big time with not adding to the playing staff ex a keeper. He will jettison Flamini, Arteta and Rosicky and he will bring in some new blood but I fear we will still be a soft touch and leak goals and overplay it etc etc. The fundamental problems will still remain. We need to seek a new manager to start the 2017-18 season. Wenger will be something of a lame duck manager in the meantime.
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Old 10-04-2016, 16:13
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The board will back him while he meets his target. Finish 5th if failure to all. Then there will be a left by mutual consent sort of thing. The board will not come out now and say he will be fired if ge does not make top 4. Arsenal never do things like that. He will be pushed out like Moyes was for losing his boses big CL money.

Also finishing 5th is no easy thing getting back into the top 4 would be a task AW would struggle to do.
I agree it wouldn't be easy for us to simply regain our top 4 place but I'm amazed at fans who believe that failure to achieve that target this season will see Arsene gone. He is far too proud and stubborn to resign and will have a string of excuses as to why he should stay. And, equally, I think the board will give him the benefit of the doubt on the basis of 'his past record and all he has done for the club' ... or some similar meaningless justification.

I keep repeating myself but the key to getting the board to get off their backsides is for the fans to turn against him en-masse. Once that happens either his fragile ego will mean he walks or the board will be forced to take action.

Sadly I think we've at least another season of failure and missed opportunities to come before there's a chance of that happening.
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Old 10-04-2016, 16:22
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American Owners like making money they worship on it. As soon as Aw stops making Stan money, Stan has no use for him and find away to push him out. If Aw was so confident he would be here even if we finished 4th, he would not say things like "we need to look over our shoulders etc" He knows missing out is failure and not even he can make excuses for it.
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Old 10-04-2016, 16:26
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There were still people on the Live BBC football page yesterday, tipping Arsenal to win the title and others asking the question Is Arsenal's title dream now over?

They must have a breatherlyser system on that site and only publish texts of any poster three times over the limit or more.
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Old 10-04-2016, 16:58
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American Owners like making money they worship on it. As soon as Aw stops making Stan money, Stan has no use for him and find away to push him out. If Aw was so confident he would be here even if we finished 4th, he would not say things like "we need to look over our shoulders etc" He knows missing out is failure and not even he can make excuses for it.
Arguably Wenger has more power than Gazidis at the club. Stan has total trust in Wenger. We may disagree here but I just don't see Wenger getting the bullet if he fails to land CL football next season. Stan will see it as a blip, nothing more.
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Old 10-04-2016, 17:03
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I agree it wouldn't be easy for us to simply regain our top 4 place but I'm amazed at fans who believe that failure to achieve that target this season will see Arsene gone. He is far too proud and stubborn to resign and will have a string of excuses as to why he should stay. And, equally, I think the board will give him the benefit of the doubt on the basis of 'his past record and all he has done for the club' ... or some similar meaningless justification.

I keep repeating myself but the key to getting the board to get off their backsides is for the fans to turn against him en-masse. Once that happens either his fragile ego will mean he walks or the board will be forced to take action.

Sadly I think we've at least another season of failure and missed opportunities to come before there's a chance of that happening.
Spot on.

Even if we get 5th he won't go. Sickening to hear pundits keep saying he gets to decide when he leaves.
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Old 10-04-2016, 17:33
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American Owners like making money they worship on it. As soon as Aw stops making Stan money, Stan has no use for him and find away to push him out. If Aw was so confident he would be here even if we finished 4th, he would not say things like "we need to look over our shoulders etc" He knows missing out is failure and not even he can make excuses for it.
I'm with you on the money but don't forget from next season the income from the Premiership television deal goes through the roof. Even without Champions League money, but with a manager who is scared / reluctant / unwilling to let loose on transfers, it's quite possible that Stan will end up making more than ever.

To be honest if we have a top four including Leicester and Spurs going into the Champions League next year the chances are the coefficient will end up suffering and so that fourth place position may not be there for much longer anyway.
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Old 10-04-2016, 17:39
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Well we well and truly cocked up a great chance this season...Spose that's what happens when the players only turn up for half of it...never mind we'll grab top 4 and the club will harp on about what a great achievement it is and how £1 billion is available for new signings just around the time my membership is due for renewal...
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Old 10-04-2016, 18:02
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the top 2 look sure now, just hope it's Leicester, although either of them winning puts pressure on Wenger (and the players). I wonder if players will leave if we miss the CL.
I can't see the Board getting rid of Wenger at least until he's out of contract. I'm sure he's got a hefty pay out clause if he's let go earlier than that.
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Old 10-04-2016, 18:09
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Top four place looks even more secure now.

Spurs still have to go to Stoke and Chelsea, but should be good enough to finish runners-up.

At least we're comforted by the fact that they're gonna finish above Arsenal and still won't win the title.
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Old 10-04-2016, 18:12
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Top four place looks more secure now.

Spurs still have to go to Stoke and Chelsea, but should be good enough to finish runners-up.

Still, they finish above Arsenal and still don't win the title. That's funny.
Leicester, Spurs, City, West Ham still possible. I wouldn't put it past our lot to capitulate now. And Wenger's lost the plot.
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Old 10-04-2016, 18:13
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The fact we could not beat Utd says a lot such a woeful team.
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Old 10-04-2016, 18:14
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Top four place looks even more secure now.

Spurs still have to go to Stoke and Chelsea, but should be good enough to finish runners-up.

At least we're comforted by the fact that they're gonna finish above Arsenal and still won't win the title.
They can still win it, so lets not get too excited or become small tine as spud dans lol.
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Old 10-04-2016, 18:16
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Leicester, Spurs, City, West Ham still possible. I wouldn't put it past our lot to capitulate now. And Wenger's lost the plot.
When Wenger is desperate to stay in top 4 his senses come back. We will win every game but City you feel.
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Old 10-04-2016, 18:18
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I'm with you on the money but don't forget from next season the income from the Premiership television deal goes through the roof. Even without Champions League money, but with a manager who is scared / reluctant / unwilling to let loose on transfers, it's quite possible that Stan will end up making more than ever.

To be honest if we have a top four including Leicester and Spurs going into the Champions League next year the chances are the coefficient will end up suffering and so that fourth place position may not be there for much longer anyway.
Can not disagree on any of this tbh.
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Old 10-04-2016, 18:23
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I can't see Leicester not winning it from this position. Mathematically Spurs are still in it, but they've left it too late.

West Ham hopefully will be distracted by the cup.

City and Spurs still have to play Chelsea, who we all know are capable of raising their game.

Arsenal's toughest fixtures on paper are Sunderland and City away.

The fact we could not beat Utd says a lot such a woeful team.
But United got tonked 3-0 earlier in the season.

Rather Arsenal don't do enough in the crunch games. And they never seem to perform at Old Trafford. Had United started with Rooney, I'd be confident of a draw or even a win. But Rashford through Wenger by surprise, as did Carroll yesterday. Which says a lot.......

I'm with you on the money but don't forget from next season the income from the Premiership television deal goes through the roof. Even without Champions League money, but with a manager who is scared / reluctant / unwilling to let loose on transfers, it's quite possible that Stan will end up making more than ever.

To be honest if we have a top four including Leicester and Spurs going into the Champions League next year the chances are the coefficient will end up suffering and so that fourth place position may not be there for much longer anyway.
It won't be top three for a while. Not at least until 2018/19 I think.

Wenger will be gone by then. My concern is Spurs and Leicester will suffer next season because of expectations, and that'll be the true test of Ranieri and Poch. If they retain a top four place, they've gone beyond expectations.
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Old 10-04-2016, 18:28
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Well, thats that then. We need 4 wins from 6 to get Top 4. Seems a long way off.
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Old 10-04-2016, 18:28
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Congrats to Leicester I believe they have secured top 4 today.

Well done Spurs, nice to see we have a title chase, probably too late, but still.

And as for Man U that was dreadful, it is hard to believe Van Gall is likely to get another season at the club, They are Shocking.
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Old 10-04-2016, 18:33
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Well done to Lecister for getting Cl footie next season. Some achievement.
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