Originally Posted by SpiderMan 83:
“I hope utd take the last 4th spot.”
“I hope utd take the last 4th spot.”
Seriously? You want that lot to finish above us??
Arsenal Supporters Thread (Part 16)
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Originally Posted by satellite:
“Won't happen Sotek, this time next year he'll still be in charge.”
“Won't happen Sotek, this time next year he'll still be in charge.”
I not so sure but I sense the mood changing. More fans than not are very unhappy with him right now.
If he is the subject of sustained abuse from the stands I don't think his ego will take it and he'll either walk or the board will accept that his relationship with the fans is beyond repair and they have no alternative but to make a change. As much leeway as they seem prepared to give Arsene at the moment there will come a point when even that reaches a point of no return.
Originally Posted by NightHawk123:
“Were Wenger's substitutions tactical or like for like as usual?
15 mins left, you hold on to the 1-0 by making defensive subs not bring on Giroud and Ramsey. Wenger would have only done this against a bigger team showing how he underestimated Palace, something Leicester dont do.”
“Were Wenger's substitutions tactical or like for like as usual?
15 mins left, you hold on to the 1-0 by making defensive subs not bring on Giroud and Ramsey. Wenger would have only done this against a bigger team showing how he underestimated Palace, something Leicester dont do.”
Though if he'd done that against Crystal Palace he would have been criticised for going onto the back foot, for inviting Palace forward. I wouldn't say he went over-attacking anyway - Ramsey certainly isn't as forward thinking as Iwobi.
Originally Posted by sotek:
“I not so sure but I sense the mood changing. More fans than not are very unhappy with him right now.
If he is the subject of sustained abuse from the stands I don't think his ego will take it and he'll either walk or the board will accept that his relationship with the fans is beyond repair and they have no alternative but to make a change. As much leeway as they seem prepared to give Arsene at the moment there will come a point when even that reaches a point of no return.”
“I not so sure but I sense the mood changing. More fans than not are very unhappy with him right now.
If he is the subject of sustained abuse from the stands I don't think his ego will take it and he'll either walk or the board will accept that his relationship with the fans is beyond repair and they have no alternative but to make a change. As much leeway as they seem prepared to give Arsene at the moment there will come a point when even that reaches a point of no return.”
It shouldn't be allowed to get that far - Wenger deserves the chance to leave with some love from the fans intact considering he has done a lot of good for Arsenal over the years. And he probably deserves to be given the chance to resign rather than be sacked... but the time has come where the board needs to say 'jump or we will reluctantly push you'. But I cannot see that happening sadly.
Originally Posted by Stevej4:
“Seriously? You want that lot to finish above us??”
“Seriously? You want that lot to finish above us??”
I do. What does it really matter when it comes down to it? Missing out on yet another exit in the first of the knockout stage? Been there and done that and if means the pressure on Arsene is ratcheted up yet another notch I can live without it for a season or two. If we achieve fourth though it gives the board even more incentive to keep him in place.
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“It shouldn't be allowed to get that far - Wenger deserves the chance to leave with some love from the fans intact considering he has done a lot of good for Arsenal over the years. And he probably deserves to be given the chance to resign rather than be sacked... but the time has come where the board needs to say 'jump or we will reluctantly push you'. But I cannot see that happening sadly.”
“It shouldn't be allowed to get that far - Wenger deserves the chance to leave with some love from the fans intact considering he has done a lot of good for Arsenal over the years. And he probably deserves to be given the chance to resign rather than be sacked... but the time has come where the board needs to say 'jump or we will reluctantly push you'. But I cannot see that happening sadly.”
He had the chance to do that at any time over the last ten years (including a couple of FA cup wins which would have allowed him to leave on a high) but he hasn't chosen to do so. He is the one who is responsible for it ending this way. For me (and others I suspect) his legacy is already tarnished.
I feel had Guardiola not agreed to go to City, or that Klopp was still on his sabbatical, Wenger would just walk away come May.
I still have an inkling he'll walk, but that just puts the club into a right mess. Just like when he arrived, but at least then there were people like Dein on the board.
Seriously, I don't think Wenger would be all too concerned about missing on the league. It's the football he will be worried about. Very slow, laboured, not as incisive as before. Very dull to watch, can't defend or attack with conviction.
This is what happens when a club is run for money instead of glory. This team know how to finish in the top four, that's it. It's not a team built to win trophies.
I still have an inkling he'll walk, but that just puts the club into a right mess. Just like when he arrived, but at least then there were people like Dein on the board.
Seriously, I don't think Wenger would be all too concerned about missing on the league. It's the football he will be worried about. Very slow, laboured, not as incisive as before. Very dull to watch, can't defend or attack with conviction.
This is what happens when a club is run for money instead of glory. This team know how to finish in the top four, that's it. It's not a team built to win trophies.
Originally Posted by Belligerence:
“Seriously, if I were a paying customer I would demand a refund. Same story, retold.
Who the hell would want to pay season tickets to watch the same guff every year?
Wenger needs to go. He isn't going to rip up the squad and start afresh, so the players need a shouting to by someone else.
He isn't willing to try anything new or daring, it's all very predictable. If he comes across a solution and it works, he'll use it - that's how bad things are.
The club is run by money, for money so a top four place is imperative. Anyone with an ounce of ambition would not join Arsenal.”
“Seriously, if I were a paying customer I would demand a refund. Same story, retold.
Who the hell would want to pay season tickets to watch the same guff every year?
Wenger needs to go. He isn't going to rip up the squad and start afresh, so the players need a shouting to by someone else.
He isn't willing to try anything new or daring, it's all very predictable. If he comes across a solution and it works, he'll use it - that's how bad things are.
The club is run by money, for money so a top four place is imperative. Anyone with an ounce of ambition would not join Arsenal.”
Guess we will see where Ozil and Sanchez's ambitions lie in the next few months. Depending on top 4 or not.
I believe the squad will be ripped up, I just think it will be samey type players coming in.
Originally Posted by NightHawk123:
“Exactly what Alan Smith just said. Nothing left to play for. Player's minds are already on holiday.”
“Exactly what Alan Smith just said. Nothing left to play for. Player's minds are already on holiday.”
You could see it a mile off. Wenger knows the league has gone. He was spouting his Bs so they can get top 4. The players do not care. Ramsey and Giroud did not look excited to come on. It was more of a duty than anything else.
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“Cech's interview was pathetic - almost trying to push the blame onto not scoring a second. I'm sorry but sometimes teams HAVE to win 1-0.”
“Cech's interview was pathetic - almost trying to push the blame onto not scoring a second. I'm sorry but sometimes teams HAVE to win 1-0.”
Right, but this game was not one of those. We dominated them and didn't have our backs against the wall against an impressive team, so this isn't one of those 1-0 games.
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“Regulation save and three points would have been in the bag; credit to him for coming out but not for desperately trying to pass the buck.”
“Regulation save and three points would have been in the bag; credit to him for coming out but not for desperately trying to pass the buck.”
Agree that Cech is at fault for the goal and that has cost us points, but the team as a whole and the manager let us down by not killing this game off. It was there for the taking, but we seem to be afraid of taking and would rather dither. That mentality comes down to the manager.
All so predictable. Plenty of possession but usual profligacy in front of goal. Low and behold they go and equalise. How many times this season have we seen these games?
Things are just utterly stale and crying out for a new direction, new ideas and just something different. I agree with Sotek, fan unrest is not sustainable in the long run. Luckily for Wenger, the season is nearly over and he will dither over the summer transfers and reconvene in August.
If we do finish 4th, Man City do not finish in the top 4 but they win the CL and Liv win the EC then it's the EC for Arsenal.
PS Just listening to Wenger post match. If I hear one more time let's focus on the next game....aaaaghhhh.
Things are just utterly stale and crying out for a new direction, new ideas and just something different. I agree with Sotek, fan unrest is not sustainable in the long run. Luckily for Wenger, the season is nearly over and he will dither over the summer transfers and reconvene in August.
If we do finish 4th, Man City do not finish in the top 4 but they win the CL and Liv win the EC then it's the EC for Arsenal.
PS Just listening to Wenger post match. If I hear one more time let's focus on the next game....aaaaghhhh.
Originally Posted by sotek:
“I do. What does it really matter when it comes down to it? Missing out on yet another exit in the first of the knockout stage? Been there and done that and if means the pressure on Arsene is ratcheted up yet another notch I can live without it for a season or two. If we achieve fourth though it gives the board even more incentive to keep him in place.”
“I do. What does it really matter when it comes down to it? Missing out on yet another exit in the first of the knockout stage? Been there and done that and if means the pressure on Arsene is ratcheted up yet another notch I can live without it for a season or two. If we achieve fourth though it gives the board even more incentive to keep him in place.”
Well in my book your obviously not a true Arsenal fan. I admit it's been hopeless at various points this season, but there are some teams (well basically spuds and Utd) that any true Arsenal fan wants to finish above. The club is bigger than any manager that might come and go. As long as the possibility is still there we should be wanting to finish as high as possible.
Originally Posted by Belligerence:
“I feel had Guardiola not agreed to go to City, or that Klopp was still on his sabbatical, Wenger would just walk away come May.
I still have an inkling he'll walk, but that just puts the club into a right mess..”
“I feel had Guardiola not agreed to go to City, or that Klopp was still on his sabbatical, Wenger would just walk away come May.
I still have an inkling he'll walk, but that just puts the club into a right mess..”
You could be right and i think next season (if he is still here) will be his last. As for Pep or Klopp maybe they just could not wait for him and wanted Jobs in PL.
Originally Posted by Stevej4:
“Seriously? You want that lot to finish above us??”
“Seriously? You want that lot to finish above us??”
Why not. If they will show ambition in it. Than better than us who will waste the opportunity.
Not a Arsenal fan , but spotted this on BBC Sport website , thought it was amusing .
A poster Gweedo " I gave up my season ticket 4 years ago . I just watch The 2012 season DVD cos it's a rerun of every season & cheaper.
A poster Gweedo " I gave up my season ticket 4 years ago . I just watch The 2012 season DVD cos it's a rerun of every season & cheaper.
Wenger ain't gonna walk, come what may. He's not going to give up his £8M salary and the chance to pit his wits against the new managers.
Originally Posted by Goodwin:
“Wenger ain't gonna walk, come what may. He's not going to give up his £8M salary and the chance to pit his wits against the new managers.”
“Wenger ain't gonna walk, come what may. He's not going to give up his £8M salary and the chance to pit his wits against the new managers.”
^^ This.
He's a stubborn old goat. Even sustained anger from the supporters won't make it happen - he has such disregard for the fans and has scorned their discontent in the past, why would now make any difference? He won't resign, he won't strengthen in the summer, nothing will change apart from the ticket prices will probably rise.
Not that I'm trying to sound negative or anything
Originally Posted by Stevej4:
“Well in my book your obviously not a true Arsenal fan. I admit it's been hopeless at various points this season, but there are some teams (well basically spuds and Utd) that any true Arsenal fan wants to finish above. The club is bigger than any manager that might come and go. As long as the possibility is still there we should be wanting to finish as high as possible.”
“Well in my book your obviously not a true Arsenal fan. I admit it's been hopeless at various points this season, but there are some teams (well basically spuds and Utd) that any true Arsenal fan wants to finish above. The club is bigger than any manager that might come and go. As long as the possibility is still there we should be wanting to finish as high as possible.”
You're perfectly entitled to your opinion but to imply that doesn't make me a 'true' fan is rubbish. This club has consumed more than forty years of my life and If I want them to finish outside the top four to get rid of a bad manager then it's entirely my prerogative.
By the way, thanks for suddenly making me feel old
Their three subs made a difference, ours had no impact at all. I wouldn't have changed the goalkeeper either, who had been our best player last month, nor taken Iwobi off.
Not that any of that counts for shit. A draw and a win from the two games this week will be ample to end in 4th, so no reason at all to win both. That would have been a complete waste of time and energy.
Not that any of that counts for shit. A draw and a win from the two games this week will be ample to end in 4th, so no reason at all to win both. That would have been a complete waste of time and energy.
Assuming he is offered a new deal, 2 or 3 years, whatever it may be, then I am split as to whether he would accept it. My gut feeling is that he may not but he will need to give the board some idea of what is intentions are so they can start looking for a new manager. We are a club in limbo at the moment.
On the player front, apart from the obvious departures, I think Walcott will be shipped out. I don't think he's happy with his situation at the club. Wenger has lost patience with him I think. He's not suited to the tippy tappy passing game either. Liverpool look a likely destination.
On the player front, apart from the obvious departures, I think Walcott will be shipped out. I don't think he's happy with his situation at the club. Wenger has lost patience with him I think. He's not suited to the tippy tappy passing game either. Liverpool look a likely destination.
Assuming he is offered a new deal, 2 or 3 years, whatever it may be, then I am split as to whether he would accept it. My gut feeling is that he may not but he will need to give the board some idea of what is intentions are so they can start looking for a new manager. We are a club in limbo at the moment.
On the player front, apart from the obvious departures, I think Walcott will be shipped out. I don't think he's happy with his situation at the club. Wenger has lost patience with him I think. He's not suited to the tippy tappy passing game either. Liverpool look a likely destination.
On the player front, apart from the obvious departures, I think Walcott will be shipped out. I don't think he's happy with his situation at the club. Wenger has lost patience with him I think. He's not suited to the tippy tappy passing game either. Liverpool look a likely destination.
Originally Posted by satellite:
“^^ This.
He's a stubborn old goat. Even sustained anger from the supporters won't make it happen - he has such disregard for the fans and has scorned their discontent in the past, why would now make any difference? He won't resign, he won't strengthen in the summer, nothing will change apart from the ticket prices will probably rise.
Not that I'm trying to sound negative or anything”
“^^ This.
He's a stubborn old goat. Even sustained anger from the supporters won't make it happen - he has such disregard for the fans and has scorned their discontent in the past, why would now make any difference? He won't resign, he won't strengthen in the summer, nothing will change apart from the ticket prices will probably rise.
Not that I'm trying to sound negative or anything
”
I thought I'd accidentally clicked on our thread then for a moment
Originally Posted by Barney06:
“Not a Arsenal fan , but spotted this on BBC Sport website , thought it was amusing .
A poster Gweedo " I gave up my season ticket 4 years ago . I just watch The 2012 season DVD cos it's a rerun of every season & cheaper.”
“Not a Arsenal fan , but spotted this on BBC Sport website , thought it was amusing .
A poster Gweedo " I gave up my season ticket 4 years ago . I just watch The 2012 season DVD cos it's a rerun of every season & cheaper.”
Ha ha!
He would not last a 3 year deal even if he go one. I think over the summer he will think hard before commiting himself.
Originally Posted by Gort:
“Right, but this game was not one of those. We dominated them and didn't have our backs against the wall against an impressive team, so this isn't one of those 1-0 games.
Agree that Cech is at fault for the goal and that has cost us points, but the team as a whole and the manager let us down by not killing this game off. It was there for the taking, but we seem to be afraid of taking and would rather dither. That mentality comes down to the manager.”
“Right, but this game was not one of those. We dominated them and didn't have our backs against the wall against an impressive team, so this isn't one of those 1-0 games.
Agree that Cech is at fault for the goal and that has cost us points, but the team as a whole and the manager let us down by not killing this game off. It was there for the taking, but we seem to be afraid of taking and would rather dither. That mentality comes down to the manager.”
I'm struggling to see where these "ten points a season" that he earns us are, given that we will end up with up to 10 points less than last season. Add to that he has had the benefit of two very good full backs who were not that, last season.
Pundits throw these statements around, then never say a word when the opposite happens.
Same as all those who wondered what Swansea were doing selling Shelvey to Newcastle and how they would regret it.
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