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Arsenal Supporters Thread (Part 16)
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Elyan
19-04-2016
Originally Posted by sotek:
“Arsenal players and staff never talk to reporters?

Wow! Thank you Elyan, I've learnt something here today! ”

"Anything for me?"

"Yeah, we're mystified by Wenger's decisions."

"Mystified?"

"Yeah, mystified."

"In what way?"

"Well he's doing some strange things you see."

"Is he?"

"Yeah. He put another goalkeeper in goal when our main one was injured."

"Right?"

"Yeah... and he gave us a day off."

**scribbling** "a.day.off.and.re.placed.an.in.jured.kee.per. Anything else?"

"Isn't that enough!?"

"Yes I suppose it is - I'll get writing straight away. Thanks."

"No problem... and listen!"

"Eh?"

"It didn't come from me."

"You can rely on my discretion."
sotek
19-04-2016
Originally Posted by Elyan:
“"Anything for me?"

"Yeah, we're mystified by Wenger's decisions."

"Mystified?"

"Yeah, mystified."

"In what way?"

"Well he's doing some strange things you see."

"Is he?"

"Yeah. He put another goalkeeper in goal when our main one was injured."

"Right?"

"Yeah... and he gave us a day off."

**scribbling** "a.day.off.and.re.placed.an.in.jured.kee.per. Anything else?"

"Isn't that enough!?"

"Yes I suppose it is - I'll get writing straight away. Thanks."

"No problem... and listen!"

"Eh?"

"It didn't come from me."

"You can rely on my discretion."”

I can see you've got this journalism thing all figured out Elyan. What would we do without you on this thread?
Elyan
19-04-2016
Happy to help.
SpiderMan 83
19-04-2016
Originally Posted by Elyan:
“Even that is without source or substance. Just the typical sort of trashy page-filling you'd expect from many football writers.

Like Arsenal players and staff will be giving their opinions to a newspaper hack.

But you obviously want it to be true, so fill your boots.”

No smoke without fire.
Elyan
19-04-2016
Originally Posted by SpiderMan 83:
“No smoke without fire.”

There often is.

People will believe what they want to believe. Personally I take the vast majority of football stories with a large pinch of salt.
SpiderMan 83
19-04-2016
Originally Posted by Elyan:
“There often is.

People will believe what they want to believe. Personally I take the vast majority of football stories with a large pinch of salt.”

Not sure people believe what they want to believe. I mean no one belives what your dear leader tells them. John Cross has always been close to us and most of what he says is true.

The only time to take things is a pinch of salf is transfer time.
Elyan
19-04-2016
Originally Posted by SpiderMan 83:
“Not sure people believe what they want to believe. I mean no one belives what your dear leader tells them. John Cross has always been close to us and most of what he says is true.

The only time to take things is a pinch of salf is transfer time.”

I agree with what he says regarding some our fans needing to have more respect for the manager.

dear leader indeed.
Stevej4
19-04-2016
Originally Posted by sotek:
“It's called perspective. I wasn't very old when Terry Neill was in charge but it was a different time and so I'm not sure it's a fair comparison. Even so though, I think people who have grown up with Wenger in charge are spoiled. No club is guaranteed success forever. Football is cyclical as Liverpool and now United are discovering, good things don't last forever ... and how boring would life be if they did?

So what if we don't achieve top four for a few years, we'll come back and success will be all the sweeter for it. And I really don't get your obsession with 'that lot'. Sure it's great to beat them in an individual game but if we ALWAYS finish above them then that isn't a rivalry but a domination. If they are always beneath us where is the challenge and the feeling of 'f-you' when they fail.

I support Arsenal and not Arsene. Arsenal would be better off without him and so anything that helps achieve that is fine by me. It might not get rid of him, who knows, but it will increase the pressure tremendously and that's something he is getting increasingly bad at managing. As for the supposed 40,000, well I suspect the performance of the club over the last few years will have reduced that number significantly and the proportion prepared to put their hands in their pockets to see this team on a regular basis may be far fewer than you imagine at the moment.

Your problem is that you're taking this far too seriously. Football is a GAME not a matter of life or death. My best moment watching Arsenal was on the 26 May 1989 and it was all the sweeter because we did something nobody expected us to do and won the championship after 18 odd years without. It was glorious and unbelievable and there hasn't been a single moment in the Wenger years (as good as some of them were) which comes close to that.

I hope you have the chance to experience that at some point but you sure as hell won't under Arsene. If all we do is aim to finish in the top four every year that's not worth watching for anyone. Have some ambition. Have some confidence that to go forward sometimes you need to go back first.”

Blimey your a patronising so and so aren't you. I fully well realise that football is just a game (I presume you were being ironic when asserted that). Also being someone who regularly goes to the Emirates and before that Highbury (way back before 1989. So yeah I can just about remember that evening thanks) I resent the assertion that I've somehow missed out. Believe it or not your opinion is not fact. Maybe Arsenal would be better off without Wenger. Then again maybe he can turn it around. Who knows? But wanting the team to actively fail just doesn't sit right with me.
robborocks
19-04-2016
The fans turning will be key, there seem to be too many AKB still around.

He refused to strengthen when needed.
He plays the same way every game.

Leicester winning the league puts what he has been doing in a new light, they've spent hardly anything but have been very well managed and set up and strengthened where needed.

A new manager is needed.
Wouter
19-04-2016
Originally Posted by Elyan:
“I agree with what he says regarding some our fans needing to have more respect for the manager.

dear leader indeed.”

Any manager earns respect and there's no denying that he's done an awful lot in the past for the club, but there's also a fair amount of resentment for the way things have been done in the last few seasons.

Back to back FA cup wins gave him some breathing space, but this season we should have walked away with the league. No wins at all this season against the poorest Chelsea team in a long time, Southampton, Liverpool, Spurs, West Ham, home defeat in the FA Cup, and questionable decisions early on in the CL gives the fans the right to moan. As a lot of people have said, it's time to go for ODL.
sotek
19-04-2016
Originally Posted by Stevej4:
“Blimey your a patronising so and so aren't you. I fully well realise that football is just a game (I presume you were being ironic when asserted that). Also being someone who regularly goes to the Emirates and before that Highbury (way back before 1989. So yeah I can just about remember that evening thanks) I resent the assertion that I've somehow missed out. Believe it or not your opinion is not fact. Maybe Arsenal would be better off without Wenger. Then again maybe he can turn it around. Who knows? But wanting the team to actively fail just doesn't sit right with me.”

But the team under Wenger has failed though, and repeatedly so over the last ten years. I would argue this season, considering where we were at Christmas is up there with the worst. So I really don't see a huge distinction between finishing fourth or fifth. We've already no hope of catching Spurs and yes, it's my opinion only, but Arsene has absolutely no hope of turning this around. Football has changed and he hasn't. To be honest given the potential quality of the managers he'll be facing next year it could be quite brutal.

However I didn't mean to patronise and so I apologise. I had assumed, from your question about Terry Neill, that you were much younger then you obviously are. I just find it hard to understand how someone with that wider perspective could still have faith in him.
SpiderMan 83
19-04-2016
Originally Posted by Elyan:
“I agree with what he says regarding some our fans needing to have more respect for the manager.

dear leader indeed.”

Respect is not a given right because of what you once did. Respect is earnt. If Wenger dies not respect the fans why should they. I am not saying vile abuse is allowed.
Elyan
19-04-2016
Originally Posted by SpiderMan 83:
“Respect is not a given right because of what you once did. Respect is earnt. If Wenger dies not respect the fans why should they. I am not saying vile abuse is allowed.”

How does he disrespect the fans?
satellite
19-04-2016
Originally Posted by SpiderMan 83:
“If Wenger dies”

That's the only way we'll get rid of the old scrote!

Sorry, I'll get my coat.......
robborocks
19-04-2016
Originally Posted by Elyan:
“How does he disrespect the fans?”

Continually lying to them??
SpiderMan 83
19-04-2016
Originally Posted by satellite:
“That's the only way we'll get rid of the old scrote!

Sorry, I'll get my coat.......”

Lol. Meant does not dies people lol.
satellite
19-04-2016
Originally Posted by Goodwin:
“John Cross from the Mirror on TalkSport - he doesn't think Wenger should be offered a new contract but also says that the amount of criticism, abuse etc he's receiving is a disgrace and that the Tott fans are loving it with our in-fighting. He also reckons that he will see out the final year of his current contract but if things get so toxic between now and the season end that he may just walk, adding he's not immune to the fans feelings despite contrary belief. I guess we would have to miss out on a CL place for him to seriously consider stepping down or not.

Apparently Wenger is more than a bit miffed at the amount of stick he's getting.”

Honestly, diddums.

John Cross is so far up Wenger's arse - is no-one allowed to question him now?
Hayden
19-04-2016
John Cross - a laughing stock.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footba...o-down-7209784
Cissy Fairfax
19-04-2016
Originally Posted by Hayden:
“John Cross - a laughing stock.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footba...o-down-7209784”

Is that a piss take article or a serious one?

I have never heard of the hack, but if it is a genuine article, it's hard to decide who is the more ineffective. Him as a journalist or Theo has a footballer at the moment.
NightHawk123
19-04-2016
When was the last time a home PL game went to General Sale? 😳

Says it all really.
Belligerence
19-04-2016
Got a letter about the West Brom game on GS...............why the hell would I want to go a bunch of clowns bottling it again, or cheat the fans with another 'wonderful' performance in a no-mark game. Glad a lot of people are boycotting. Same sh*t, different season.

Originally Posted by robborocks:
“The fans turning will be key, there seem to be too many AKB still around.

He refused to strengthen when needed.
He plays the same way every game.

Leicester winning the league puts what he has been doing in a new light, they've spent hardly anything but have been very well managed and set up and strengthened where needed.

A new manager is needed.”

Spurs winning the league would basically be a triumph in coaching and he has nowhere to hide. They've gone from Spursy to the league's most competent defence in two years..............have Arsenal's back line improved?

Pochettino deserves plenty of credit, and unlike previous Spurs managers he doesn't run his mouth about how they will overtake Arsenal. They play good football too..........nothing stale about them.

It's not even like the problem is Wenger strengthening. He just doesn't know how to get the best out of his players anymore. Ranieri and Pochettino do, that's why they are top.

Originally Posted by satellite:
“Honestly, diddums.

John Cross is so far up Wenger's arse - is no-one allowed to question him now?”

The guy wrote a book on Wenger.......he can't bite the hand that feeds him.

Waiting for Jeremy Wilson of The Telegraph to leak more propaganda out about how Wenger's 'determined' to make signings and change his way.
SpiderMan 83
19-04-2016
Originally Posted by Belligerence:
“Spurs winning the league would basically be a triumph in coaching and he has nowhere to hide. They've gone from Spursy to the league's most competent defence in two years..............have Arsenal's back line improved?

Pochettino deserves plenty of credit, and unlike previous Spurs managers he doesn't run his mouth about how they will overtake Arsenal. They play good football too..........nothing stale about them.

It's not even like the problem is Wenger strengthening. ”

To win a league you have to spend money. The players we have are not good enough to win the league regardless of who coaches them. Spurs and Lecister spent money to bolster their squads and have played like great teams.

We just have a few good players and that is it. To have won this title Wenger should have strenghed well because he knows we get injurys. He did not and it backfired.
SpiderMan 83
19-04-2016
Tickets on General sale. Oh dear. Not happend in a while iirc.
grimtales1
20-04-2016
I think constructive criticism/making yourself heard is fine but vile abuse is uncalled for. Then again according to the article telling AW to **** off = "vile abuse" - really? I'm sure I read of far, far worse
I'm not saying he hasn't done a lot for our club but he should go imo, he's done all he can
Great legacy but its time to go
sotek
20-04-2016
Originally Posted by SpiderMan 83:
“To win a league you have to spend money. The players we have are not good enough to win the league regardless of who coaches them. Spurs and Lecister spent money to bolster their squads and have played like great teams.

We just have a few good players and that is it.”

I agree with you but let's not forget Wenger has blown £150m odd on this team in under three years so if the players aren't good enough it's not as if he hasn't had the funds available.

I'm of the opinion that the current team could actually perform significantly better if only it was managed and coached properly.
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