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Old 12-07-2016, 11:33
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Good grief - is there no end to his dictatorship? So criticise the team and you're frozen out? Explains why some of our ex-players are terrified to come out publically and say anything negative......Wenger probably stands at the gates of the Wengerdome like Gandalf "you shall not pass".

I hope TH tells him to poke it.
Totally Agree

It's no wonder the level of some performances for the last few years have been so lacklustre if this is his attitude, there needs to be someone who can rip the players apart from time to time and let them know what is and isn't acceptable.

I understand if he doesn't want to criticise the players in a post match interviews, but I don't even believe he does it ever. In the same way Klopp won't be drawn in to slagging off his players in an interview, I'm 100% confident that he will give them a dressing down behind closed doors.

Look at Walcott and the Ox, both have incredible pace and that's about it right now, who has given them an honest appraisal of their performance and where to improve, I'm pretty sure Henry would help them both out hugely.

I also wish he would focus on bringing in a World Class CF and CB rather than trying to stop Henry working for Sky.
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Old 12-07-2016, 12:39
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Well, it appears Henry has now told Wenger to stuff it...time to prepare for Arsenal fans getting even more outaged.
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Old 12-07-2016, 12:40
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Surely our manager wouldn't be so petty as to threaten one of our all time greats with losing his coaching role just because he has a role as a pundit and might, from time to time, actually tell some home truths about our players?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...b-Arsenal.html
Surely not.

Would anyone like to point out to the French fool that he has just spent a month in France doing the exact same thing whilst apparently doing sod all for the club he is supposed to manage?
He has a point though, why would you work for the club only to slag them off every weekend? Ferguson would never agree to have his players do a similar arrangement.

He's been a terrible pundit on Sky, at least now there's no conflict of interest he can liven up a bit.

And yes, it resembles a dictatorship but who gave him this power? No one is prepared to challenge or question him because there isn't a single football person on the board.
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Old 12-07-2016, 12:50
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So Henry has gone, pretty sad. He apparently offered to work for free and have his proposed salary shared amongst the other coaching staff, very nice gesture.

Apparently Wenger was annoyed that Henry said we would never win the league with Giroud as our striker. This is a fact, maybe if Wenger woke up to it we may have a more realistic attempt at winning something.

All seems a bit hypocritical too, Wenger has just swanned off to be a media pundit during the Euros, obviously to have his ego massaged, and has left us with 1 signing so far and failing to address the huge issue of a world class CF & CB required, meanwhile Man C, Man U, Chelsea and Liverpool are all strengthening.
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Old 12-07-2016, 13:11
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I can sort of see you sides. However he bigger picture surely is the lack of anyone holding Wenger to account. I'm still hoping we pull a couple of big signings out of the bag but not overly optimistic about it.

Even if we do it's still difficult to believe we will manage any sort of consistency. We just don't do that sort of thing any more.
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Old 12-07-2016, 16:08
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I can sort of see the point that Wenger wants 100% commitment on the coaching side, and there may be a conflict of interest there, but pretty sad to see Henry go. He was even willing to work for free, I bet most bosses would love an employee like that.
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Old 12-07-2016, 23:11
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Good grief - is there no end to his dictatorship? So criticise the team and you're frozen out? Explains why some of our ex-players are terrified to come out publically and say anything negative......Wenger probably stands at the gates of the Wengerdome like Gandalf "you shall not pass".

I hope TH tells him to poke it.
Nah Wenger is right. Th 14 has a right critizing them but how can he do it when he coaches them? How many of the top teams have old players coaching and being a pundit. Just because Henry done amazing things he does not get special treatment.
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Old 13-07-2016, 18:50
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Nah Wenger is right. Th 14 has a right critizing them but how can he do it when he coaches them? How many of the top teams have old players coaching and being a pundit. Just because Henry done amazing things he does not get special treatment.
Henry is only coaching the U18's though, it's not as if he has anything to do with the first team squad.

Problem is Wenger doesn't want anyone to have an opinion other than his own.
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Old 13-07-2016, 23:28
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Bould must be a YES man.
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Old 14-07-2016, 08:58
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If I was to cut some slack to Wenger over the Henry thing, then I'm not sure combining being a full time Sky football pundit and coaching the kids as well is doable, purely on a logistical basis. You can't be in two places at once after all. Anyway, the decision has been made. I'm not going to lose too much sleep over it.
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Old 14-07-2016, 09:09
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Nah Wenger is right. Th 14 has a right critizing them but how can he do it when he coaches them? How many of the top teams have old players coaching and being a pundit. Just because Henry done amazing things he does not get special treatment.
I can't argue your point but he was coaching the academy; not exactly playing a pivotal role in the management of the first team. I'd say his value to the club and especially to our younger players was worth far more than the odd mild criticism of Wenger.

To me it's just further demonstration of the control freakery nature of the manager coming to the fore - especially with anyone who dares to question (even slightly) his running of the club. Nobody else is allowed to have an opinion.

I still maintain he will be driven out by the crowd turning on him sooner rather than later. After this episode with Thierry and what appears to be yet another lacklustre transfer window the majority of fans won't hesitate to show their feelings the moment the team slips up. His ego won't take it for long.
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Old 14-07-2016, 09:16
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I can't argue your point but he was coaching the academy; not exactly playing a pivotal role in the management of the first team. I'd say his value to the club and especially to our younger players was worth far more than the odd mild criticism of Wenger.

To me it's just further demonstration of the control freakery nature of the manager coming to the fore - especially with anyone who dares to question (even slightly) his running of the club. Nobody else is allowed to have an opinion.

I still maintain he will be driven out by the crowd turning on him sooner rather than later. After this episode with Thierry and what appears to be yet another lacklustre transfer window the majority of fans won't hesitate to show their feelings the moment the team slips up. His ego won't take it for long.
This all makes a lot of sense.

Rumours of a deal for Higuain are getting stronger, with some saying Giroud will be going the other way. This would please me too much, so I'm not getting my hopes up.
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Old 14-07-2016, 09:19
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He was on the same training pitches as these players almost every day.

It doesn't take much working out that that is not good for team spirit or morale. You can't say on television that Arsenal will never win league with Olivier Giroud up front, or that Mezut Ozil isn't performing well enough, then turn up on the training pitch next day and expect everything to be hunky dory. It doesn't matter whether you think he is right or wrong, that simply cannot go on.

"Alright Olivier?"

"You said I was rubbish in front of millions of TV viewers."

"Yeah - anyway, how's your Mrs?"
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Old 14-07-2016, 12:28
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This all makes a lot of sense.

Rumours of a deal for Higuain are getting stronger, with some saying Giroud will be going the other way. This would please me too much, so I'm not getting my hopes up.
The rumours are there but I'm not convinced Giroud will be going anywhere.
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Old 14-07-2016, 12:44
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This all makes a lot of sense.

Rumours of a deal for Higuain are getting stronger, with some saying Giroud will be going the other way. This would please me too much, so I'm not getting my hopes up.
That would be an amazing deal, Higuain is the striker we need and should have got 3-4 years ago, he would make a huge difference to our team.
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Old 14-07-2016, 14:51
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That would be an amazing deal, Higuain is the striker we need and should have got 3-4 years ago, he would make a huge difference to our team.
Yep, apparently, he had agreed a contract with us a while ago, but we didn't push the transfer through and got Ozil. Big mistake by ODL.

Re Henry etc, why doesn't Wenger just ensure that there's less for ANY pundit to argue about? For yonks, we've been sitting on a mountain of cash and at the same time have gaping holes in the squad? Fix that and there will be less moaning all around...

Henry's right in many ways and doesn't say anything that isn't apparent to everyone bar ODL perhaps. He can be a real asset to us, especially the youngsters who (should) look up to and aspire to be him!

Win something this year and prove us all wrong, I don't think that anyone will want anything else.
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Old 14-07-2016, 14:58
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He was on the same training pitches as these players almost every day.

It doesn't take much working out that that is not good for team spirit or morale. You can't say on television that Arsenal will never win league with Olivier Giroud up front, or that Mezut Ozil isn't performing well enough, then turn up on the training pitch next day and expect everything to be hunky dory. It doesn't matter whether you think he is right or wrong, that simply cannot go on.

"Alright Olivier?"

"You said I was rubbish in front of millions of TV viewers."

"Yeah - anyway, how's your Mrs?"
Why are these players that sensitive they can't handle being in the same area with someone who gave them a bit of deserved criticism. If seeing him briefly but not having to talk to him is enough to damage team morale their mentality is more pathetic then I thought.
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Old 14-07-2016, 15:04
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Why are these players that sensitive they can't handle being in the same area with someone who gave them a bit of deserved criticism. If seeing him briefly but not having to talk to him is enough to damage team morale their mentality is more pathetic then I thought.
Would you rather come to work every day and see someone who has been slagging you, or not see someone who has been slagging you?

Obvious answer.

It was impossible for Henry to continue in his role whilst working for Sky.
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Old 14-07-2016, 15:14
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This all makes a lot of sense.

Rumours of a deal for Higuain are getting stronger, with some saying Giroud will be going the other way. This would please me too much, so I'm not getting my hopes up.
Can't see it happening unfortunately and no legit sources reporting it either.

Would have been nice for Henry to stay around the club but there was definitely a conflict of interest with his punditry with Sky and working for Arsenal not to mention how much time he could give to Arsenal. I'm sure something could have been sorted out eventually for him to stay around as his punditry isn't the best!
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Old 14-07-2016, 16:12
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Would you rather come to work every day and see someone who has been slagging you, or not see someone who has been slagging you?

Obvious answer.

It was impossible for Henry to continue in his role whilst working for Sky.
The players mind set should be to prove any pundit based criticism from Thierry is on par with Hansen's "you can't win anything with kids" comment. Anyway who has he slagged off? Olivier Giroud whose main concern should be getting into the first team after he proved Thierry right last season.

If Henry was working with the first team then there would be a problem but he's not just doing voluntary work with the under 18's. If these players struggle with brief contact with him, tough.
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Old 14-07-2016, 18:26
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Henry's right in many ways and doesn't say anything that isn't apparent to everyone bar ODL perhaps. He can be a real asset to us, especially the youngsters who (should) look up to and aspire to be him!
You're right here. Imagine the kids getting a chance to learn from one of the the best in the business. When Thierry was helping out with the first team a few years ago, I remember Walnut saying how great it was to just have his presence in the dressing room, not to mention benefitting from the wealth of his experience and depth of knowledge.

With regard to his Sky job - he has surprised me with his criticism of Arsenal; when he started I thought he wouldn't have the balls to cross Wenger, so seems this has finally been his undoing.

Oh well, another teams gain and our loss.
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Old 14-07-2016, 19:21
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You're right here. Imagine the kids getting a chance to learn from one of the the best in the business. When Thierry was helping out with the first team a few years ago, I remember Walnut saying how great it was to just have his presence in the dressing room, not to mention benefitting from the wealth of his experience and depth of knowledge.

With regard to his Sky job - he has surprised me with his criticism of Arsenal; when he started I thought he wouldn't have the balls to cross Wenger, so seems this has finally been his undoing.

Oh well, another teams gain and our loss.
I remember Walcott going on a bit of a good run & he said it was because he spoke with Henry. Never cross Wenger, you'll live to regret it.
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Old 15-07-2016, 14:34
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Bould must be a YES man.
Of course he is. So are the management, players..........god forbid what will happen when Wenger leaves.

It looks as though Chelsea will be signing Kanté.......apparently Arsenal didn't want to be involved in a bidding war........says it all.

As for striker saga...............Wenger has had 4 flipping years to replace Van Persie.........he won't again this summer and it'll cost Arsenal AGAIN.

Can't wait until he leaves. This story could do with a new author.
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Old 15-07-2016, 15:20
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As for striker saga...............Wenger has had 4 flipping years to replace Van Persie.........he won't again this summer and it'll cost Arsenal AGAIN.
And the gossip says Joel Campbell has been told to find a new club so that's even fewer options in the squad.

The season is a month away and already this looks like the typical Wenger mismanagement. Can't wait for him to bring out 'there was nobody available' line.
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Old 15-07-2016, 17:00
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And the gossip says Joel Campbell has been told to find a new club so that's even fewer options in the squad.

The season is a month away and already this looks like the typical Wenger mismanagement. Can't wait for him to bring out 'there was nobody available' line.
Campbell's no the answer anyway, so we shouldn't be missing him too much. A silver lining may be that we now have 4 first team regulars that have left. I can only guess that there are others to join apart from Xhaka (??). Surely there must be others coming? Surely??
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