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Old 20-08-2016, 23:31
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Its a bit quick to call Sanchez shit because he didnt have the best game, come on
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Old 20-08-2016, 23:36
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It's clear new players to Arsenal eventually get the "Arséne Effect". They start off by having a great couple of seasons then go to absolute shit... Sanchez, Arshavin, Van Persie, Flamini, Almunia.... I could go on.... Proves that he has no strategy and the players go stale.

I'm not saying "Wenger Out", but........ Wenger Out.
To be fair, Van Persie actually got better throughout the years and it's too early to call Sánchez 'shit' two games in to the season.
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Old 21-08-2016, 00:47
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It's clear new players to Arsenal eventually get the "Arséne Effect". They start off by having a great couple of seasons then go to absolute shit... Sanchez, Arshavin, Van Persie, Flamini, Almunia.... I could go on.... Proves that he has no strategy and the players go stale.

I'm not saying "Wenger Out", but........ Wenger Out.
Tbf you can not compare Sanchez to any of those mentiond. No way has he gone shit at all. He just is not a striker Wenger wants him to be. Also maybe he is not happy with non transfers and wants out. The team lacks confidence it is easy to see. The players need a bost..................Over to you Arsene.
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Old 21-08-2016, 00:49
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He's been pretty stale for a good few months now, though. Bar one or two matches I wouldn't say he made many real decisive contributions since coming back from his injury towards the last third of last season - not that anyone else in the squad did either, of course. In fact I'd say for the entirety of last season our attack was pretty uninspired.

And as pointed out, he's far from the first person to come flying out of the blocks at Arsenal and gradually decline. As his starting point was so much higher than the rest he's still an asset, but it genuinely feels like all players eventually succumb to the utter inertia that is Arsenal FC at the moment.

Personally I'm just utterly tired of it. Didn't watch the game today but not surprised to see an attack featuring Walcott and Chamberlain failed to produce anything. Maybe once the Olympics is done I'll renew my Sky Sports subscription but for now I've become almost completely apathetic to the sport.
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Old 21-08-2016, 00:54
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He's been pretty stale for a good few months now, though. Bar one or two matches I wouldn't say he made many real decisive contributions since coming back from his injury towards the last third of last season - not that anyone else in the squad did either, of course. In fact I'd say for the entirety of last season our attack was pretty uninspired.
BiB - didn't he win player of the tournamant in the copa america over the summer ?
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Old 21-08-2016, 00:56
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BiB - didn't he win player of the tournamant in the copa america over the summer ?
Not a clue. And it wouldn't exactly be an argument against the playing style, coaching style, whatever, at Arsenal draining all the excitement out of him if he can go away to Chile and tear it up still.
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Old 21-08-2016, 01:01
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Tbf you can not compare Sanchez to any of those mentiond. No way has he gone shit at all. He just is not a striker Wenger wants him to be. Also maybe he is not happy with non transfers and wants out. The team lacks confidence it is easy to see. The players need a bost..................Over to you Arsene.
But that's what I mean. The Wenger effect is where players lack confidence and self belief.... Sanchez is capable of so much more. Look at his first season at Arsenal. It follows a trend......

The guy is a legend and a player that I will always admire to the end of my days. But he's not being pushed and coached to his best.

Maybe it's not Wenger.... it might be the coaching team as a whole. I dunno. All I know is that I'm getting pretty damn pissed off right now and it's not the players fault. It's the manager.
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Old 21-08-2016, 09:11
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Have to say Wenger's press conferences have become hilarious and patronising in their own right.

More entertaining than the football these days!!
You can see he is a man on edge. He knows he has to win the league to stay on. You cansee he knows it won't happen and is getting frustated. Coming out with sarcastic outburts is not the way a confident manager behaves. Sotek was right the fans booing and chanting is getting to him and it will only get worse if no striker comes in this last week. Once the away support turn against you, it is pretty much goodnight Vienna. Rob holding has been good, no point being sarccy if you will only bench him for mert later. If you bench him for a top Cb fair do's.
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Old 21-08-2016, 09:13
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But that's what I mean. The Wenger effect is where players lack confidence and self belief.... Sanchez is capable of so much more. Look at his first season at Arsenal. It follows a trend......

The guy is a legend and a player that I will always admire to the end of my days. But he's not being pushed and coached to his best.

Maybe it's not Wenger.... it might be the coaching team as a whole. I dunno. All I know is that I'm getting pretty damn pissed off right now and it's not the players fault. It's the manager.
Only one man pulls all the strings. I'd be very surprised if the coaching staff get much, if any autonomy.
Look at Bould- a great defender who talks well and obviously understands the art of defending. But he hasn't exactly had much impact on improving our defence has he?
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Old 21-08-2016, 09:18
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You can see he is a man on edge. He knows he has to win the league to stay on. You cansee he knows it won't happen and is getting frustated. Coming out with sarcastic outburts is not the way a confident manager behaves. Sotek was right the fans booing and chanting is getting to him and it will only get worse if no striker comes in this last week. Once the away support turn against you, it is pretty much goodnight Vienna. Rob holding has been good, no point being sarccy if you will only bench him for mert later. If you bench him for a top Cb fair do's.
Holding looks like he will be a fine acquisition. The only problem with his signing is that it has pretty much finished off Calum Chambers as a CD, who we spent the best part of £20 million on.
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Old 21-08-2016, 10:15
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He was clearly irritated by transfer talk following the game and insisted he was not reluctant to spend big - as Arsenal chase their first title since 2004 - but would not splash out for the sake of it.

Wenger said: "Why do you say I'm reluctant? If I buy you tomorrow for £45million I have spent £45million and I would have done well because I will have listened to you but spending the money in itself is not a quality. Spending the money buying a top player is different and we are ready to do it.

"I just said I'd spend £300million if I find the player and I had £300million. Do not forget we are a club who has 600 employees who we have to have a responsibility to as well. It's a bit surprising you come out of games and don't speak about football. You have to speak about money.

"You have to respect the players who played and the performance from both teams. If we find the players to strengthen our team then we are not reluctant to spend the money.

"They (the fans) are highly influenced by the media, that's part of the process today. We try to make the right decisions, it's as simple as that.

"We have a whole team working on the strengthening of the team. I'm not the only one. Unfortunately no-one speaks about the performance of Rob Holding. You should be happy, he is English and 20-years-old. I am sorry he didn't cost £55million so he can't be good."

The guy has total contempt for the fans with remarks like this. We can't think for ourselves. It must be the naughty media making us telling him to spend money. Nobody is saying to spend for the sake of it. His get out is that by saying he can't find the perfect player then there is nobody available and that he tried to buy. As I said before, he's lost his nerve when it comes to transfers. Or he just wants to see out the final year with as little complication as possible and leave it to the players who continually failed him.
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Old 21-08-2016, 11:42
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The guy has total contempt for the fans with remarks like this. We can't think for ourselves. It must be the naughty media making us telling him to spend money. Nobody is saying to spend for the sake of it. His get out is that by saying he can't find the perfect player then there is nobody available and that he tried to buy. As I said before, he's lost his nerve when it comes to transfers. Or he just wants to see out the final year with as little complication as possible and leave it to the players who continually failed him.
Spot on. The man has been contemptuous of the fans for years, apart from spending a fortune on tickets, we just seem to get in his way.

May he continue to lose the plot, I'll be delighted when he eventually leaves the building.
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Old 21-08-2016, 12:05
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The 600 employees comment was that of a CEO, not of a football manager.

I get where he is coming from, but he has some nerve commanding a high salary to essentially dampen fans expectations. Like I said the only pleasure I get from Arsenal these days is hearing what excuses the manager peddled put.
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Old 21-08-2016, 12:14
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But that's what I mean. The Wenger effect is where players lack confidence and self belief.... Sanchez is capable of so much more. Look at his first season at Arsenal. It follows a trend......

The guy is a legend and a player that I will always admire to the end of my days. But he's not being pushed and coached to his best.

Maybe it's not Wenger.... it might be the coaching team as a whole. I dunno. All I know is that I'm getting pretty damn pissed off right now and it's not the players fault. It's the manager.
I get your frustration, i just think it is unfair to call him shite. Yes his form has been off since his injury, imo i just see someone who may not want to be here no more.

There is a reason Barca and Real let Sanchez and Ozil go maybe both only put in a certain level.
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Old 21-08-2016, 12:22
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http://www.skysports.com/football/ne...ors-john-cross

John Cross speaks sense at last.
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Old 21-08-2016, 12:53
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Holding looks like he will be a fine acquisition. The only problem with his signing is that it has pretty much finished off Calum Chambers as a CD, who we spent the best part of £20 million on.
Tbh when we bought Chambers it was to play RB and he was great there. Then for some reason Aw decided he was CB. We still need him as a 2nd Rb now Debuchy has gone and Jenko injured.
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Old 21-08-2016, 12:58
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You would be upset if the manager keeps making you look a mug. Every season Jc says he is told we will sign big and we do not. Must have got bad abuse on twitter etc and is finally fed up.

When the press turn on you it is time to pack your bags. He better splash the cash in the next week or they might sack him then tbh.
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Old 21-08-2016, 13:38
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Joel Campbell joins Sporting on Loan. Strange unless the Draxler thing is true.
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Old 21-08-2016, 14:14
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Joel Campbell joins Sporting on Loan. Strange unless the Draxler thing is true.
I don't get why we make all these stupid transfers and then never give the players a proper chance.
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Old 21-08-2016, 15:06
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Wonder if that's another one Wenger didn't want to start with.
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Old 21-08-2016, 20:05
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Bournemouth fans singing "is this the Emirates"? due to the low crowd noise at the London stadium.
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Old 22-08-2016, 08:16
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I see Valenica now want £50m for Mustafi; the genius transfer tactics of Wenger coming up trumps yet again. He has backed himself into a corner and has guaranteed that there is no value to be found anywhere in the market now. Being cash rich and desperate is a bad place to be.

Did anyone catch Hold the Back Page yesterday? All the journalists on (including John Cross) were very clear our problems stem from Arsene and his dithering. I'm not saying Kroenke and the board are blameless (they are very clearly not) but no specific mention or criticism was directed at them for the position Arsene has put us in.

I'm more convinced than ever he'll be gone by Christmas. If he doesn't get a win soon then the brown stuff really will hit the fan. I'm already dreading what terrible panic buys we're going to be treated to over the next ten days.
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Old 22-08-2016, 08:49
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Who know's sotek. It will be more fun watching and listening to his excuses than the football. Wenger word bingo! Jaded....spirit....overall.... sharpness..physical..etc etc

He def won't be buying a striker. Sanogo lol.

Had to laugh at one the regulars on Arsenal Fan TV after the Leicester match....I didn't give up Highbury and move to the Emirates to buy Jonny 'kin Evans
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Old 22-08-2016, 08:50
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Not a clue. And it wouldn't exactly be an argument against the playing style, coaching style, whatever, at Arsenal draining all the excitement out of him if he can go away to Chile and tear it up still.
Alexis was voted player of the tournament at the Copa America, of course in a winning team.
Özil voted Germany's best player at Euros.
I saw him play in the semi final and he played extremely well.

Koscielny was a revelation in the Euros. He played on the 'wrong' side but was authoritative and determined. He played very well vs Leicester on Saturday but with a back injury.
It's so obvious we need a striker and a CB but as usual Wenger has got the trolley out and is trying to find another average player at a price he finds acceptable. I bet he's haggling over a few mill with Mustafi. No chance will we sign a striker as that had to be done early. Japanese lad has been refused a work permit too.
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Old 22-08-2016, 12:20
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That's John Cross frozen out then.
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