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He keeps saying "if we had the money he wouldn't be afraid to spend". Mentioned it several times in the post match presser.
2 questions; 1. Why don't we have the money 2. Is he indirectly saying he isn't being given the money to spend? Alot more is happening behind the scenes than meets the eye I reckon. Still disgraceful how he mentioned having to pay the 600 employees yet the fans are paying the most expensive ticket prices in the world and he is earning millions a year. I see his post match comments about transfers has been removed from the Arsenal website.
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Does HE have to pay 600 employees? I doubt it. He sounds like a CEO or something
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well I hope he's changed tack on the minimum London living wage then, for "his" employees!
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He keeps saying "if we had the money he wouldn't be afraid to spend". Mentioned it several times in the post match presser.
2 questions; 1. Why don't we have the money 2. Is he indirectly saying he isn't being given the money to spend? Alot more is happening behind the scenes than meets the eye I reckon. Still disgraceful how he mentioned having to pay the 600 employees yet the fans are paying the most expensive ticket prices in the world and he is earning millions a year. I see his post match comments about transfers has been removed from the Arsenal website. ![]() It's party on transfers:, but mostly on wages - Arsenal pay £1.5 million a week more on wages. So it might be correct there's isn't too much money but you have to ask what has Wenger spent it on so you end up with one more point at the end of the season. |
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He was clearly irritated by transfer talk following the game and insisted he was not reluctant to spend big - as Arsenal chase their first title since 2004 - but would not splash out for the sake of it.
Wenger said: "Why do you say I'm reluctant? If I buy you tomorrow for £45million I have spent £45million and I would have done well because I will have listened to you but spending the money in itself is not a quality. Spending the money buying a top player is different and we are ready to do it. "I just said I'd spend £300million if I find the player and I had £300million. Do not forget we are a club who has 600 employees who we have to have a responsibility to as well. It's a bit surprising you come out of games and don't speak about football. You have to speak about money. "You have to respect the players who played and the performance from both teams. If we find the players to strengthen our team then we are not reluctant to spend the money. "They (the fans) are highly influenced by the media, that's part of the process today. We try to make the right decisions, it's as simple as that. "We have a whole team working on the strengthening of the team. I'm not the only one. Unfortunately no-one speaks about the performance of Rob Holding. You should be happy, he is English and 20-years-old. I am sorry he didn't cost £55million so he can't be good." The guy has total contempt for the fans with remarks like this. We can't think for ourselves. It must be the naughty media making us telling him to spend money. Nobody is saying to spend for the sake of it. His get out is that by saying he can't find the perfect player then there is nobody available and that he tried to buy. As I said before, he's lost his nerve when it comes to transfers. Or he just wants to see out the final year with as little complication as possible and leave it to the players who continually failed him. He's done himself no favours there at all. No one is saying what he suggests. What people are fed up with is the haggling over a few million here and there in transfer fees. The fans are not highly influenced by the media, if anything it's the media catching up with the fans. He's had it soft from the media for years. He's clearly struggling now that reporters are prepared to ask harder questions. He doesn't like it because he's not in total control for once. |
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Does HE have to pay 600 employees? I doubt it. He sounds like a CEO or something
![]() As usual his comments have been taken completely out of context. He also said something along the lines of that it's not just him that's working on signing players, but that he is part of a team doing that - which is what I have been saying all along. |
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Sky Sports now reporting that Mustafi won't be leaving Valencia in this transfer window.
Another one down the drain thanks to his infernal dithering. As Sotek said he's totally backed into a corner now. Pulis will probably be asking £40 million for Evans on Deadline Day and Woeful will have to pay it. Shocking management yet again from the £8 million a year man. |
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If Valencia are demanding £50m for Mustafi they can shove it up their arse.
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As usual his comments have been taken completely out of context.
He also said something along the lines of that it's not just him that's working on signing players, but that he is part of a team doing that - which is what I have been saying all along. BIB - Yeah Sooty and Sweep must be helping him
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If Valencia are demanding £50m for Mustafi they can shove it up their arse.
If ODL had done the business we need earlier, we wouldn't be in this position. We're two games into the season and already 3 or 5 points behind some of our main rivals with a depleted squad that's 100% ready one week, and tired/jaded the next. |
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He shouldn't spout verbal garbage then. He acts like he's on some kind of one man crusade with his sanctimonious clap trap.
BIB - Yeah Sooty and Sweep must be helping him ![]() |
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I think he was referring more to his responsibilities, as a senior employee at the club, toward its future. i.e. that we don't go bankrupt and have everyone lose their jobs. He wasn't saying that he wouldn't spend money - just that he wouldn't, on principal, spend money that the club doesn't have, but that he would spend money that the club does have - IF the right player becomes available and everything is right.
As usual his comments have been taken completely out of context. He also said something along the lines of that it's not just him that's working on signing players, but that he is part of a team doing that - which is what I have been saying all along. If however he is a manager with an extraordinary amount of autonomy and control over his actions and the amount he spends then maybe those comments could be seen to make a little more sense. If so though I would ask why on earth a manger has been allowed to retain so much power and freedom. In no other club on earth would that be the case and maybe, as has been suggested many times, he is trying to do far too much and the club (and his health) are suffering as a result. So which is it? |
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Last week Elyan you asked if we seriously thought Wenger was responsible for doing everything at the club and that, in reality, he was only a part of a large team negotiating the transfers. Now you're suggesting that the manager responsible for the playing side of the business also should be concerned with how the business is run, every single employee and the way the finances are utilised. So does he have a transfer budget or not? If he does then why on earth is he worrying about the financial wellbeing of the club and its employees when there is a chief executive and owner to do that. Presumably in that case his budget (however limited it might actually be) has been set in recognition of those other demands and the resources of the club. Wenger should be able to spend freely within the constraints of that budget. If that budget isn't enough then maybe he should hold his hands up and be more honest with the fans and the media.
If however he is a manager with an extraordinary amount of autonomy and control over his actions and the amount he spends then maybe those comments could be seen to make a little more sense. If so though I would ask why on earth a manger has been allowed to retain so much power and freedom. In no other club on earth would that be the case and maybe, as has been suggested many times, he is trying to do far too much and the club (and his health) are suffering as a result. So which is it? As I said earlier, a lot of what he says gets taken out of context. One minute he gets asked why he's not spending money, and he says he will spend money if the circumstances allow (i.e; that the player is available, the fee right, the salary demands right etc.), then another reporter will refer him to the sums being spent by other clubs, and whether he can compete with that or not. He responds with the answer about him (and others) being responsible for the club's future financial wellbeing (in short, we can't afford to spend £100m here and there), then the media report that Wenger can't spend money because he he has to pay the cleaners. |
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I don't think he was being sanctimonious. Sarcastic maybe - in the face of the much-repeated, tedious, unintelligent and unimaginative questions from the press.
After all it was Wenger that said he was in the market for new players after the Liverpool debacle. We haven't exactly got off to a cracking start hence the line of questioning. I don't care if he gets irritated, tetchy etc by the journo's. In fact I find it highly amusing. He's only himself to blame. Anyway, he's only got until next June to put up with those nasty journalists. |
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As I said earlier, a lot of what he says gets taken out of context. One minute he gets asked why he's not spending money, and he says he will spend money if the circumstances allow (i.e; that the player is available, the fee right, the salary demands right etc.),
Take Mustafi for example, he is now valued at £50m and, I accept, not worth pursuing at that price, but if Wenger had acted at the beginning of the window (when the need for a reliable centre back was maybe not as desperate as now but still evident) he could have been purchased for far less and been in place for the whole of pre-season. Why does this happen every season? Why do we not learn our lessons? Nobody want to waste money but this continuing dithering over targets has been a feature for far too long. And if we were never really interested in Mustafi why wasn't decisive action taken and another player identified and purchased that was within our budgetary constraints? Rob Holding may have great potential but to assume that he would be sufficient is astounding hubris. |
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It's the same every year:
May/June time - we have money to spend and will be very active. July time - we are looking for super quality players. August - we can't compete with the others and have to be responsible, oh what's that? My £8mil a year salary, well we don't need to be responsible there, it's ideal for me to earn one of the highest salaries of any football manager but not to spend money. End of August - we tried very hard (aside from me buggering off to be a pundit at the euros or refereeing a charity match on deadline day) but the right players weren't available. I think the real reason he refuses to spend is he can't manage world class players because they will challenge him and their team mates and he can't handle that. He bottled it with Lehman who was a world class GK and dropped him for a vastly inferior but meek Almunia. fabregas, van persie allowed to go but not replaced. Nobody else allowed to coach the team. He's a delusional power crazy old man who was a world class manager years ago but is now in reverse but won't admit it. |
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I think the real reason he refuses to spend is he can't manage world class players because they will challenge him and their team mates and he can't handle that. He bottled it with Lehman who was a world class GK and dropped him for a vastly inferior but meek Almunia. fabregas, van persie allowed to go but not replaced. Nobody else allowed to coach the team.
He's a delusional power crazy old man who was a world class manager years ago but is now in reverse but won't admit it. Arsene Wenger is slowly but surely ruining the club he helped build. Does anyone seriously think the Manchester clubs and Chelsea look on us as serious competition? Every season we fall that little further behind. |
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He's a delusional power crazy old man who was a world class manager years ago but is now in reverse but won't admit it. |
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Remind us all, where did Arsenal finish in the biggest league in the world last season, and what was the age of the manager who won it?
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Remind us all, where did Arsenal finish in the biggest league in the world last season, and what was the age of the manager who won it?
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At least one of you has a sense of perspective.
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At least one of you has a sense of perspective.
This year, we can't rely on the likes of the Manchester clubs and Chelsea to have a similar season as last. Pretty much everyone has strengthened more than we have. |
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He is part of a team, working together within the budget set by the board. Yes of course he plays a senior role in that team - as does at least one other. And not just during transfer time.
As I said earlier, a lot of what he says gets taken out of context. One minute he gets asked why he's not spending money, and he says he will spend money if the circumstances allow (i.e; that the player is available, the fee right, the salary demands right etc.), then another reporter will refer him to the sums being spent by other clubs, and whether he can compete with that or not. He responds with the answer about him (and others) being responsible for the club's future financial wellbeing (in short, we can't afford to spend £100m here and there), then the media report that Wenger can't spend money because he he has to pay the cleaners. |
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Mustafi deal "should be complete by Wednesday" apparently but it seems Valencia want to hear from other clubs
![]() http://www.justarsenal.com/arsenal-f...-mustafi/64524 |
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Mustafi deal "should be complete by Wednesday" apparently but it seems Valencia want to hear from other clubs
![]() http://www.justarsenal.com/arsenal-f...-mustafi/64524 |
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