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Old 10-09-2016, 17:07
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2 more points than against Southampton at home last season.

The way some fans are going you'd have thought they wanted us to lose.

Onwards and upwards. Perez gives us something different and will add variety to our attack.
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Old 10-09-2016, 17:08
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The Sky Sports footy results announcer sounds like Tim Gudgin for some reason.
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Old 10-09-2016, 17:09
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Enough.
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Old 10-09-2016, 19:36
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Old 10-09-2016, 20:38
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2 more points than against Southampton at home last season.

The way some fans are going you'd have thought they wanted us to lose.

Onwards and upwards. Perez gives us something different and will add variety to our attack.
They do! A few weeks back at least two 'fans' on here were openly stating that they wanted us to have a bad start. Incredible as that might seem, I'm afraid it's true.

Anyway, a good win today against a good PL side. We had far more possession, and were much the better side. As you say, onwards and upwards.
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Old 11-09-2016, 01:42
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Anyway, a good win today against a good PL side. We had far more possession, and were much the better side. As you say, onwards and upwards.
I wouldn't go as far as to say it was a good win. Southampton deserved a draw out of that game tbh and had the best chances in the second half. A better team would have killed us off.

The midfield balance was all wrong and Monreal still looks shaky at the back. Possession means nothing if you're not creating chances.

Lots of work to do but at least we have a few players to come back into the side.
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Old 11-09-2016, 09:26
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They do! A few weeks back at least two 'fans' on here were openly stating that they wanted us to have a bad start. Incredible as that might seem, I'm afraid it's true.

Anyway, a good win today against a good PL side. We had far more possession, and were much the better side. As you say, onwards and upwards.
It was a pretty lucky win, looked like a draw ant it was a sense of relief we won rather than a sense of justice. Southampton also had far more shots on target than us.

Some fans did indeed wish us to have a bad start, sometimes the end justifies the means, if it had meant a new manager coming in who wanted to win things then that would have been worth it. Instead it's scrapping for fourth and bombing out of the CL, no ambition, just coasting.

Having watched the Manchester derby yesterday, Man City will tear us apart, as will Man U more than likely.
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Old 11-09-2016, 11:13
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Some fans did indeed wish us to have a bad start, sometimes the end justifies the means, if it had meant a new manager coming in who wanted to win things then that would have been worth it. Instead it's scrapping for fourth and bombing out of the CL, no ambition, just coasting.
On the whole I agree with the opinion that we need a new manager - I think this should be his final year regardless of what happens over the course of the season. But surely we should just get behind the team regardless of our opinion on the manager?

As for the final sentence, were we scrapping for fourth last season and the year before that? We may have been lucky to finish second and third respectively, but we certainly weren't in a scrap for fourth.

I know Armi sometimes goes a bit far with his goading, but at the end of the day he is supporting Arsenal and wants us to win things. I don't always share his views but then I don't always share the views of the 'Wenger Out' side either. It can't be that hard to see both sides of the fence surely?

Anyway, it was a lucky win yesterday and we weren't at our best but we got the 3 points and that's what counts.
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Old 11-09-2016, 12:25
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On the whole I agree with the opinion that we need a new manager - I think this should be his final year regardless of what happens over the course of the season. But surely we should just get behind the team regardless of our opinion on the manager?

As for the final sentence, were we scrapping for fourth last season and the year before that? We may have been lucky to finish second and third respectively, but we certainly weren't in a scrap for fourth.

I know Armi sometimes goes a bit far with his goading, but at the end of the day he is supporting Arsenal and wants us to win things. I don't always share his views but then I don't always share the views of the 'Wenger Out' side either. It can't be that hard to see both sides of the fence surely?

Anyway, it was a lucky win yesterday and we weren't at our best but we got the 3 points and that's what counts.
My thoughts exactly. If it is Wenger's last season best just getting behind the team now we have made the signings in the positions we needed and give him a decent send off rather than constantly going on about where the team is lacking to win the title.

Let's see where we end up once the team has gelled.
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Old 11-09-2016, 12:26
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Having watched the Manchester derby yesterday, Man City will tear us apart, as will Man U more than likely.
Very impressed with City yesterday especially the style of football. Guardiola wants all his players to be comfortable and positive on the ball. His philosophy would have been perfect for Arsenal.
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Old 11-09-2016, 13:09
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Very impressed with City yesterday especially the style of football. Guardiola wants all his players to be comfortable and positive on the ball. His philosophy would have been perfect for Arsenal.
Klopp, Guardiola, Hiddink, Ancelotti & Mourninho were all available at some point over the last year or so. Arsenal needed to take a risk.

Pep will storm this league if he gets his players to play as he wants them to.
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Old 11-09-2016, 13:29
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Klopp, Guardiola, Hiddink, Ancelotti & Mourninho were all available at some point over the last year or so. Arsenal needed to take a risk.

Pep will storm this league if he gets his players to play as he wants them to.
A bottomless pit of money also comes in handy.
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Old 11-09-2016, 13:38
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Yeah Leicester Atletico Madrid and Borussia Dortmund really enjoyed that bottomless pit of money. Also Wenger and Arsenal roll in cash. Can't believe that money is still being used as an excuse
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Old 11-09-2016, 14:14
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I'm hoping somewhere along the line we can sort out the perineal issue of possession with no end product. I don't think that's players gelling as it's been going on for years. Effectively we are always a further point behind because our goal difference is always so inferior.

Still seems to me too many opposition teams know how to shut us down and in turn we are unable to do anything about it. It really is uncomfortably repetitive.

I see Ozil was getting huge stick on Twitter for his performance yesterday. I thought for a change Ian Wright made a good point about Perez seemingly player as a winger than as a striker.

I really do like Kos and his goal was worthy of a striker. There's something about him I wish some of our other players had.

Finally I still have concerns about Cech. He really isn't performing at the level I expected.
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Old 11-09-2016, 18:45
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Very impressed with City yesterday especially the style of football. Guardiola wants all his players to be comfortable and positive on the ball. His philosophy would have been perfect for Arsenal.
I agree, he would have been great - alas it wasn't ever going to be sadly.
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Old 11-09-2016, 18:46
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Yeah Leicester Atletico Madrid and Borussia Dortmund really enjoyed that bottomless pit of money. Also Wenger and Arsenal roll in cash. Can't believe that money is still being used as an excuse
Only by some. We don't come up short on the money, we pay our players a fortune, as we do our manager.
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Old 11-09-2016, 20:11
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Finally I still have concerns about Cech. He really isn't performing at the level I expected.
His positioning looked a bit odd for the free kick. He's a good keeper but he's on the decline, slowly but on the decline nonetheless. I think he signed up for 3 years when he joined. I expect he will be here for next season but it's a position that might need some thought before too long.
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Old 11-09-2016, 21:10
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We're close to sorting out new contracts for Alexis and Ozil apparently - good news:

http://www.justarsenal.com/arsenal-c...ez-deals/65128
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Old 11-09-2016, 23:24
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Yeah Leicester Atletico Madrid and Borussia Dortmund really enjoyed that bottomless pit of money. Also Wenger and Arsenal roll in cash. Can't believe that money is still being used as an excuse
You get freak results now and then. It happens in football.

And the facts are there for all to see. Man City blow us out of the water with their spending power. Of course we are are rich compared to some, but to say we have anywhere near as much of a transfer budget as Man City, or that having an apparently unlimited amount of money to spend doesn't put you apart from others is just silly really.
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Old 12-09-2016, 01:16
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A freak result is an accident. The success of the three times mentioned did not come at the cause of an accident. They had a level of consistency we could only dream of. One of the teams achieved back to back titles followed by a champions league final. They achieved greatness despite being able to use the same financial excuses we do. Their reason for doing so they had what we didn’t. Tactically efficient ambitious managers who could get the best out the players at their disposal leading to the teams achieving over the odds domestically and in Europe.

As you say the facts are there for all to see, we’ve been knocked out of Europe in the same stage for six consecutive years with our league form enduring a similar story every year because we don’t have that, we have someone who doesn’t learn from their mistakes.
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Old 12-09-2016, 08:19
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Southampton are a good team. The PL is full of good teams who are more than capable of giving anyone a good game. We shouldn't expect to steamroller everyone.

And on the topic of money ^^ - come on, of course having all that money will be a massive, massive help. The combination of that and Guardiola will win City the league this year.
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Old 12-09-2016, 09:37
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A freak result is an accident. The success of the three times mentioned did not come at the cause of an accident. They had a level of consistency we could only dream of. One of the teams achieved back to back titles followed by a champions league final. They achieved greatness despite being able to use the same financial excuses we do. Their reason for doing so they had what we didn’t. Tactically efficient ambitious managers who could get the best out the players at their disposal leading to the teams achieving over the odds domestically and in Europe.

As you say the facts are there for all to see, we’ve been knocked out of Europe in the same stage for six consecutive years with our league form enduring a similar story every year because we don’t have that, we have someone who doesn’t learn from their mistakes.
Agree with all of this.

The money excuse is easy to hid behind until it is pointed out that other teams have achieved more with far less than we have, then it's a 'freak result'.
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Old 12-09-2016, 09:39
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Agree with all of this.

The money excuse is easy to hid behind until it is pointed out that other teams have achieved more with far less than we have, then it's a 'freak result'.
It is extremely rare for a club that is not in the higher spending bracket to win anything these days.

In the vast majority of cases, those who spend the most money will win the most trophies.
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Old 12-09-2016, 11:16
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We're close to sorting out new contracts for Alexis and Ozil apparently - good news:

http://www.justarsenal.com/arsenal-c...ez-deals/65128
hopefully true, although I did read that both players want a buy out clause that is realistic in their contracts. What 'realistic' means in today's crazy market is anyone's guess, but it's a get out if we continue not to be able to challenge for the PL and CL.

Agree on Cech, looks a bit off colour. I hope a blip. Buffon et al are much older than him.
Palace signing French national reserve keeper Mandanda was an excellent signing.

Is Koscielny fit for the PSG game? His face looks bad.
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Old 12-09-2016, 11:31
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Cech just seems to be somewhat slow and ponderous. He goes down very slowly and his positioning isn't great. Some other forums call him Peter the Plank. I don't like that but I understand the angle.
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