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Old 18-12-2016, 18:20
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And there we have it, both goals were offside and off we go again.
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Old 18-12-2016, 18:25
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yup. However, I know what I'd wear if I was going to be a pundit on TV with Gary Neville - a Valencia shirt.
Looking at the slo mo, I think Souness is right for once in that Cech was distracted by Silva. The 1st offside was very marginal, some go your way, some don't.
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Old 18-12-2016, 18:27
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No harm done. There was a big gap between 4th and 5th a week ago, which afforded us a couple of games rest.

We have a couple of home matches, now so the gap shouldn't get any less until mid January when we can have another game off.
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Old 18-12-2016, 18:28
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Oh yes, the issue I've always had with the offside rule is that you don't have to be stood right in front of the keeper. Souness made a good point that Cechs position could well have been affected just by Silva's presence in the area. It's a difficult one. However that should not take away from how bad we were second half.
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Old 18-12-2016, 18:31
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If Cech didn't watch Silva, he'd not be keeping properly, so it should have been disallowed.

Btw are there any performance related clauses in the crazy contracts that players sign or do agents nuke that idea? Henry made a good point when he said if you're going to be paid ££££s every week, then you need to perform at that level.
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Old 18-12-2016, 18:33
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And there we have it, both goals were offside and off we go again.
Both offside

If Cech didn't watch Silva, he'd not be keeping properly, so it should have been disallowed.

Btw are there any performance related clauses in the crazy contracts that players sign or do agents nuke that idea? Henry made a good point when he said if you're going to be paid ££££s every week, then you need to perform at that level.
There was only one reason that he ran into an offside position.
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Old 18-12-2016, 18:37
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The only way you can sort it is to go back to the old days where offside is offside no matter what. Wasn't it Shankly who said if he's not interfering with play he shouldn't be on the pitch.
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Old 18-12-2016, 18:37
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Cech hasn't really performed brilliantly for a long time. I'm just really disappointed today. Oh and we're a bit tired too.
He hasnt done since he came to the club, it was a pointless signing when we had perfectly adequate number one.

I'm not one for demanding changes. None of it matters or affects anything. Whether we have Alexis Sanchez or Alexis from Dynasty up front, we will still qualify for the Champions League and get knocked out the next season.

However, purely for watching the best 11 players available, Wenger needs to ignore the hype, the pundits who watch the odd games and the Fifa players and acknowledge for about 80% of 2016 Cech and Ozil have been somewhere between average and crap.

To think people queried them not being on the PFA Team of the year or even more laughable the Ballon D'or list, they should struggle to even make the Arsenal team.
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Old 18-12-2016, 18:39
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No harm done. There was a big gap between 4th and 5th a week ago, which afforded us a couple of games rest.

We have a couple of home matches, now so the gap shouldn't get any less until mid January when we can have another game off.
Precisely.

It's depressing how meek the team have become during the Christmas periods, as if to say the manager allows them to down tools.

Ah well, no title will certainly mean Wenger's gone. Some light at the end of the tunnel?
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Old 18-12-2016, 18:40
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The physical drop off has to be a concern. Granted it was two tough away games in the north west but Tuesday to Sunday should be enough time recover. Hindsight and all that but maybe Sanchez could have been rested and start with Giroud. Play a more direct game. That aside, Sanchez and Ozil are not worth breaking the pay structure for. If they aren't happy with what's on offer then so be it.
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Old 18-12-2016, 18:40
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To me Cech just seems to have got old very quickly. He seems pretty slow and ponderous and doesn't look like he will ever save another penalty. Ospina perhaps should get his chance.
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Old 18-12-2016, 18:41
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disagree massively on Ozil and Cech. Ozil has only looked ordinary in his last 2 games and he looks very tired. Cech is solid. He's not the best, but is perfectly good enough at this level. He is more reliable than Ospina, not to mention a lot taller and has a better understanding with his defenders.
Szcz had a great game last night vs Juventus, but he's erratic.
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Old 18-12-2016, 18:44
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I don't think there's much to choose between them tbh. I just think he's not performed as expected. Mind you he's used to a much better defence in front of him.
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Old 18-12-2016, 19:06
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When's the FA Cup start?
Early Januray I thought
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Old 18-12-2016, 20:33
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Ozil looks knackered tbh. Sanchez had an awful 2nd half too. Fatigue is a big concern
Nah, Ozil is always the same in big games. He just never turns up. If a big offer comes in for him, we should take it.
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Old 18-12-2016, 20:36
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Arsenal aren't winning the title, so why the hell should Wenger stay put? If he does it highlights how business matters more than progression on the pitch.
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Lets be honest win the league or not, our club is a business 1st anyways. Has been for years. Tbh It was Chelsea's title from day one anyways. They only have one comp to play in and can keep their playera easily fresh.

We clearly miss Mustafi and Santi/Ramsey.
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Old 18-12-2016, 20:59
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Ozil looks knackered tbh. Sanchez had an awful 2nd half too. Fatigue is a big concern
Sanchez is flogged for pretty much every minute of every match. Wenger is too scared to rest him because Sanchez will probably throw a sulk.
Ozil should have been hooked today but he took Iwobi off - again easy option to haul the young kid who was actually putting a shift in.
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Old 18-12-2016, 21:39
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We got caught cold. Today we conceded two offside goals. It's difficult to accept. I believe there's a lot going on [regarding 'bad' refereeing decisions]. It's hard going into a game like that and you get decisions go against you. They are professional and we are professional and have to stand up for our mistakes.

"The first goal gave them a lot of hope. After that we suffered for 20 to 25 minutes. On Tuesday [in the 2-1 defeat against Everton] we suffered on set-pieces. Today we were unfortunate. What can you do about the offside goals?

"We were a leetle bit jaded physically. We played the four games from five away from home." "


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For god's sake how much longer?
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Old 18-12-2016, 21:50
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Re the manager and whether he remains or not and the indications are that he wants to continue, well the sensible thing would be to give him a one year rolling contract rather than a fixed two or three year deal.
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Old 18-12-2016, 22:09
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Potentially it's all a bit of a mess. We have a manager who may be gone at the end of the seas on. We have two players who may not sign new contracts. I wonder who on the board is overseeing all of this?
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Old 18-12-2016, 22:45
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Lets be honest win the league or not, our club is a business 1st anyways. Has been for years. Tbh It was Chelsea's title from day one anyways. They only have one comp to play in and can keep their playera easily fresh.

We clearly miss Mustafi and Santi/Ramsey.
Missing players is one thing, but the ones that play should still stand up and be counted. They are so passive and meek in these big games, and that's down to the manager. Lazy beggars.

I think the media have made a big meal out of Ozil and Sanchez's contract situations, especially as they can be tied up pretty quickly. It's rather startling how the board have let Wenger wind his contract down. They obviously want him to stay, but he has done nothing these past three seasons to justify his position.

Sure, there aren't good managers to choose from, but this can't go on. Perennial underachievers.
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Old 18-12-2016, 23:13
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Sanchez is flogged for pretty much every minute of every match. Wenger is too scared to rest him because Sanchez will probably throw a sulk.
Ozil should have been hooked today but he took Iwobi off - again easy option to haul the young kid who was actually putting a shift in.

This is the problem. Id drop Ozil and Sanchez for Perez and Giroud in the next game tbh. They can not play every game because of who they are. Deffo think Draxler needs to be bought in Jan.
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Old 19-12-2016, 00:12
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Missing players is one thing, but the ones that play should still stand up and be counted. They are so passive and meek in these big games, and that's down to the manager. Lazy beggars.

I think the media have made a big meal out of Ozil and Sanchez's contract situations, especially as they can be tied up pretty quickly. It's rather startling how the board have let Wenger wind his contract down. They obviously want him to stay, but he has done nothing these past three seasons to justify his position.

Sure, there aren't good managers to choose from, but this can't go on. Perennial underachievers.
Tbh i do not think Aw would stay on if he failed. As he said it is down to the players to keep him in his job. I agree too many players slumping back into old ways and players like Granit etc just fitting into the lazy role. Where is the fight he showed at the Euros?

Like i said though it was always the Chavs title, freshness will help them win it.

Ozil for me can go once his contract expires tbh. He just does not have the fight we need. Easy to do it against Ludagretz tbh.

Sanchez would deffo be a big miss, i'd not begrudge him the chance of a big move to win big stuff.
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Old 19-12-2016, 05:44
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So why were Chelsea only 4th favorites at the start of the season, did you make a killing at 5-1 odds?
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Old 19-12-2016, 06:51
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Missing players is one thing, but the ones that play should still stand up and be counted. They are so passive and meek in these big games, and that's down to the manager. Lazy beggars.

I think the media have made a big meal out of Ozil and Sanchez's contract situations, especially as they can be tied up pretty quickly. It's rather startling how the board have let Wenger wind his contract down. They obviously want him to stay, but he has done nothing these past three seasons to justify his position.

Sure, there aren't good managers to choose from, but this can't go on. Perennial underachievers.
I made a similar point about AWs contract situation. Whatever the board want to do should have been done some time ago. If an offer has already been made it should have had a strict deadline attached to it. We have the transfer window about to open. I know we don't usually do much in January but nonetheless we now have a situation where we don't know who is in charge of any potential signings.

Is it AW who may be gone in a few months or the board? Do we spend money on players a new manager might not want? Who will want to sign anyway? Does Sanchez and Ozils contract talks depend to any extent on whether AW is staying?
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