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Something looked very wrong first half. Players shouting at each other and arguing. No sign of any tactical formation whatsoever. No effort and absolutely shocking defending. The manager just sits there fiddling with his zip as usual. Just how many times in recent times have we seen this sort of performance.
Also how many injuries do we have right now? The bench looked incredibly weak last night. |
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Something looked very wrong first half. Players shouting at each other and arguing. No sign of any tactical formation whatsoever. No effort and absolutely shocking defending. The manager just sits there fiddling with his zip as usual. Just how many times in recent times have we seen this sort of performance.
Also how many injuries do we have right now? The bench looked incredibly weak last night. |
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#7928 |
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Something looked very wrong first half. Players shouting at each other and arguing. No sign of any tactical formation whatsoever. No effort and absolutely shocking defending. The manager just sits there fiddling with his zip as usual. Just how many times in recent times have we seen this sort of performance.
Also how many injuries do we have right now? The bench looked incredibly weak last night. 1. Bellerin had a niggle before the game so why not start Gabriel at right back instead? It's no wonder he had a shocker if he was carrying an injury. 2. Mustafi slotting back into the side didn't work. Two clean sheets prior to the game with Gabriel partnering Kos. Why not carry on with the same pairing knowing it was a tough away fixture and we needed a good defensive performance. Mustafi could have returned in the FA Cup to get some much needed match fitness. 3. Ramsey doesn't do his fair share of defending efficiently. He knew Daniels was free on the right but rather than cover Bellerin, he simply pointed leaving Bellerin with too much space to cover. 4. Xhaka is showing why Wenger didn't trust him at the start of the season. On the ball is really good but his off the ball defensive play has lapses of concentration and moments of madness that frustrate. 5. Perez needs to start more games. We started penetrating more the moment he came on. 6. Should the Ox play ahead of Ramsey in central midfield? He is playing better at the moment. 7. As well as Giroud played, I still think Alexis is a better option up front. 8. Cech has declined. I think its about time Ospina was brought in to give him a rest or a chance to sharpen up as he had a poor game last night. Prior to the game he was asked after 2 away defeats in a row what will they change going into this game, he simply replied tighten up at the back and score more goals than the opposition. Didn't seem like he was told of any tactical plan to beat Bournemouth. |
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#7929 |
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They say hindsight is a wonderful thing but you don't need hindsight to identify where Arsenal have got it so wrong over such a long period. My son is an Arsenal fan, I am neutral as I haven't supported any team since moving to England almost 40 years ago but I have always had a soft spot for Arsenal because they play the game the way I like it to be played and have built the club in the right way. Whilst I respect these attributes and their control over spending in the transfer market whilst building a stronger financial base it was glaringly obvious that they could have secured 3 or 4 players that would have won them the title over the last 4 or 5 years.
We can always use "if" to cement our opinion of what should have happened in hindsight but there is absolutely no excuse for Arsenal not bidding at least £50 million for Suarez instead of £1 over a release clause. Securing Suarez in that season would have won the title. Then there is the snooty opinion of players playing in Scotland. Wanjama, Van Dijk both playing at Celtic. Can anyone tell me that Van Dijk wouldn't have been better than buying Gabriel, or Wanjama better than Xhata or Elneny? We all saw with our own eyes whichever team we supported that Kante at Leicester was probably the best cetral midfielder in the Premier League by a country mile and that saying he was like having two players instead of one wasn't an over exageration. Arsenal should have been securing Kante with a higher bid than Chelsea and with him in the team, they wouldn't have lost at Everton. I look at Ramsay and he is good but not great, the same applies to Walcott, Chamberlain and although I like Wilshere he cannot be relied on as has proved over too many seasons. When Carzola plays the whole dynamic of the team changes but again like last season when going well he gets injured and they miss him badly. I know my son suffers but as a neutral. Do I want to see City, Chelsea or United win the league? NO! Arsenal for probably 6 seasons now have been short of just 3 truly great players that would have won them the league, Suarez alone in the season LIverpool almost won the league, his goals and Sanchez like work ethic would have made the difference. Kante this year would have seen them win the first game against Liverpool the game against Everton and not lose to City and turn those draws into wins this season. Van Dijk, Wanjama would have made a crucial difference in midfield and defence. Don't get me started on why it took them so long to secure a good goalkeeper when there were others around in Europe available. Ramsay, Wilshere, Chamberlain, Walcott, Xhata, Elneny are good squad players rotating in games against weaker teams and yes they are a few this season. Arsenal do not have somone to fill in for Carzola, Ozil is world class but needs someone like a Kante doing the leg work for him. Strangely Arsenal I believe, others may disagree have the right balance up front with Sanchez and Giroud, different styles for different games and at different times in a match. Sorry to ramble, I'm just a very disgruntled neutral likely to be seeing Chelsea win the title AGAIN! |
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#7930 |
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2nd top scorers in the league.
Joint 2nd best defensive record in the league. Won 60% of our matches, drawn 25% and lost only 15%. Won our CL group. 8 points off the top of the league with 54 points still to play for. Where did it all go wrong? ![]() |
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#7931 |
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Lucas Perez has to get more game time. He helps Alexis I think. Relentlessly positive attitude, goal scorer and great crosser from the left. When Theo's fit though, I expect him to be perma-benched again. Adds to my frustration.
Ramsey has completely lost his way, yet is a dead cert to play when he's fit. Mustafi - agree he should have made his comeback in the cup game. He was awful. Bellerin likewise. So frustrating that if we'd started the game with the players and attitude that we had for much of the 2nd half, we'd probably have won it. I'm sure Wenger's utter negativity before the match about the scheduling, how it was so difficult/unfair etc didn't help the attitude. there's a long way to go but the battle for 4th is well under way. PS don't want Howe as a Wenger replacement thanks. He's Wenger-lite. When Wenger does go, we need a top class, proven manager who has won at the top level, despite the risk that this shows up Wenger's failings. (Board will cop out on that one....) |
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#7932 |
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We already have a top class proven manager who has won at the top level.
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#7933 |
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We already have a top class proven manager who has won at the top level.
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#7934 |
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But what do you want your club to achieve?
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#7935 |
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Like every football fan, I want my club to achieve everything.
I am a big fan of Wenger (not an Arsenal fan), but surely treading water season after season after season isn't the way to win again...it's the same shortcomings, same style of football, same predictability... |
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#7936 |
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And you see the league title (and champions league), getting closer to being regained as each season passes?
I am a big fan of Wenger (not an Arsenal fan), but surely treading water season after season after season isn't the way to win again... |
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#7937 |
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Hardly treading water. I think Armi posted his league record a week or so ago. It's very impressive - all things considered.
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#7938 |
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But that was ages ago, football has moved on, ODL has not. See what Klopp's managing to achieve with a squad that's arguably of lesser quality than ours. We're nearly there, I and many others feel that a new manager will perform better.
There are a good number of clubs in the PL who are capable of winning it. We have no God-given right to win it. That is a realistic perspective on it. Like it or not. It's not easy - as Guardiola is finding out. We didn't finish 10th last year, we finished 2nd. With that being the case we have a manager who is capable of getting us into 1st. Like all Arsenal fans, I hope that is sooner rather than later. This season hopefully. If it doesn't happen I'll be just as disappointed as the next man, but I won't be throwing my toys and slagging Wenger. |
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#7939 |
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Klopp's achieved nothing in the premier league because he's only been there five minutes. Already he's made incredible progress with a team that were struggling. Unlike Wenger his work over the last few years puts him in the top five managers in the world.
And our manager finished second because every one else was shit and the team bottled a title that was on a plate for them to win, Anyway on to last night if your going to drop points which could cost you the title race. might as well have some fun doing it. Whilst I enjoyed the adrenaline of the comeback make no mistake it was two points dropped leaving Chelsea a brilliant chance to close the gap to eleven points. |
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#7940 |
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Lucas Perez has to get more game time. He helps Alexis I think. Relentlessly positive attitude, goal scorer and great crosser from the left. When Theo's fit though, I expect him to be perma-benched again. Adds to my frustration.
Ramsey has completely lost his way, yet is a dead cert to play when he's fit. Mustafi - agree he should have made his comeback in the cup game. He was awful. Bellerin likewise. So frustrating that if we'd started the game with the players and attitude that we had for much of the 2nd half, we'd probably have won it. I'm sure Wenger's utter negativity before the match about the scheduling, how it was so difficult/unfair etc didn't help the attitude. there's a long way to go but the battle for 4th is well under way. PS don't want Howe as a Wenger replacement thanks. He's Wenger-lite. When Wenger does go, we need a top class, proven manager who has won at the top level, despite the risk that this shows up Wenger's failings. (Board will cop out on that one....) |
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We haven't got a cat in hells chance of winning the league.
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#7942 |
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We didn't finish 10th last year, we finished 2nd. With that being the case we have a manager who is capable of getting us into 1st. Like all Arsenal fans, I hope that is sooner rather than later. This season hopefully. If it doesn't happen I'll be just as disappointed as the next man, but I won't be throwing my toys and slagging Wenger.
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#7943 |
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Amazing how some fans can still accept failure. As if a point at Bournemouth and Wenger's last 12 years is something to be proud of.
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#7944 |
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The morning after the game and emotions aside, we are more or less out of the title race now and in for a fight to stay in the top 4 as usual. A few points.
1. Bellerin had a niggle before the game so why not start Gabriel at right back instead? It's no wonder he had a shocker if he was carrying an injury. 2. Mustafi slotting back into the side didn't work. Two clean sheets prior to the game with Gabriel partnering Kos. Why not carry on with the same pairing knowing it was a tough away fixture and we needed a good defensive performance. Mustafi could have returned in the FA Cup to get some much needed match fitness. 3. Ramsey doesn't do his fair share of defending efficiently. He knew Daniels was free on the right but rather than cover Bellerin, he simply pointed leaving Bellerin with too much space to cover. 4. Xhaka is showing why Wenger didn't trust him at the start of the season. On the ball is really good but his off the ball defensive play has lapses of concentration and moments of madness that frustrate. 5. Perez needs to start more games. We started penetrating more the moment he came on. 6. Should the Ox play ahead of Ramsey in central midfield? He is playing better at the moment. 7. As well as Giroud played, I still think Alexis is a better option up front. 8. Cech has declined. I think its about time Ospina was brought in to give him a rest or a chance to sharpen up as he had a poor game last night. Prior to the game he was asked after 2 away defeats in a row what will they change going into this game, he simply replied tighten up at the back and score more goals than the opposition. Didn't seem like he was told of any tactical plan to beat Bournemouth. |
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#7945 |
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Lucas Perez has to get more game time. He helps Alexis I think. Relentlessly positive attitude, goal scorer and great crosser from the left. When Theo's fit though, I expect him to be perma-benched again. Adds to my frustration.
Ramsey has completely lost his way, yet is a dead cert to play when he's fit. Mustafi - agree he should have made his comeback in the cup game. He was awful. Bellerin likewise. So frustrating that if we'd started the game with the players and attitude that we had for much of the 2nd half, we'd probably have won it. I'm sure Wenger's utter negativity before the match about the scheduling, how it was so difficult/unfair etc didn't help the attitude. there's a long way to go but the battle for 4th is well under way. PS don't want Howe as a Wenger replacement thanks. He's Wenger-lite. When Wenger does go, we need a top class, proven manager who has won at the top level, despite the risk that this shows up Wenger's failings. (Board will cop out on that one....) |
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#7946 |
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What has Klopp achieved in the PL? He has done nothing yet.
There are a good number of clubs in the PL who are capable of winning it. We have no God-given right to win it. That is a realistic perspective on it. Like it or not. It's not easy - as Guardiola is finding out. We didn't finish 10th last year, we finished 2nd. With that being the case we have a manager who is capable of getting us into 1st. Like all Arsenal fans, I hope that is sooner rather than later. This season hopefully. If it doesn't happen I'll be just as disappointed as the next man, but I won't be throwing my toys and slagging Wenger. I know you are very firmly entrenched in your views and I respect you for them even though I completely disagree, because at least you put them into context and explain them unlike Armi who is no more than a troll. So for that reason I can't believe that at this stage you don't have at least some doubts about Wenger? |
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#7947 |
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I think it just has to be accepted that some fans will always be happy at finishing 4th. I think it's the fear of the unknown which in a way I understand.
I think where Arsenal differs from every other major top flight team, is that this situation is acceptable. While it continue to be acceptable, there will never be any progress. |
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So with Spuds winning does this help us or not? It closes the gap on Chelsea (a bit), but we're not going to win the thing anyway, and puts us behind the rest of the chasing pack again.
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#7949 |
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So with Spuds winning does this help us or not? It closes the gap on Chelsea (a bit), but we're not going to win the thing anyway, and puts us behind the rest of the chasing pack again.
Well it stops them from equalling our successive PL wins so on that count it's not a bad thing. I can't get too worked up about what other teams do though, it's what we do that really matters. |
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Well it stops them from equalling our successive PL wins so on that count it's not a bad thing. I can't get too worked up about what other teams do though, it's what we do that really matters.
I thought they already equalled it and were going for a record (14 wins?), but I may be wrong ![]() Edit: Just checked and our 14 wins was over 2 seasons: Quote:
Originally Posted by BBC Sport
A victory for Chelsea would make them the first team to win 14 consecutive top-flight matches within the same season. They would equal Arsenal's English top-flight record of 14 successive wins between February-August 2002 (over two seasons).
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