DS Forums

 
 

Arsenal Supporters Thread (Part 16)


Reply
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 05-09-2015, 16:29
ustarion
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 15,483
3rd to 4th, not that much difference in the grand scheme of things for Arsenal.
I think it's too complicated to work out, but I think the problem was that we drew too many games in that season. Definitely this was down to defending, but who knows with van Persie some of those draws might have been wins.
ustarion is offline   Reply With Quote
Please sign in or register to remove this advertisement.
Old 06-09-2015, 12:59
Armi
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 3,019
Blimey! Let's hope nobody has committed suicide because we didn't sign anyone. I expect a few injuries though through all the knee jerking.

Van Persie and Adebayor indeed. (where is the rolleyes when you need it?)

Anyway - 84% of Arsenal fans surveyed think Arsene is the right man for the job. Only 10% disagree. A relatively insignificant percentage I'm sure you'll agree.

http://www.arsenaltrust.org/news/lat...y-results-2015
Armi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-09-2015, 14:13
yellowlabbie
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Posts: 43,100
Oxlade Chambarlain said he's been playing injured for about 2 years. I hope that's not a warning that he's going to out soon.

I'm a Crawley Town fan but I do feel for you guys this season. So much promise of winning the title this year, but with the lack of a decent striker I don't think you'll do it.

Everyone from pundits to fans knew that with a decent striker you could have really pushed on this season.
A shame because you finished last season like a house on fire.
He seemed to be ok playing for England yesterday injured or not.
yellowlabbie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-09-2015, 16:15
satellite
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Apathyville
Posts: 6,055
Anyway - 84% of Arsenal fans surveyed think Arsene is the right man for the job. Only 10% disagree. A relatively insignificant percentage I'm sure you'll agree.

http://www.arsenaltrust.org/news/lat...y-results-2015
Nice try. You conveniently forgot to mention the survey was taken from 664 fans, hardly representative of Arsenal's worldwide fan base.
satellite is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-09-2015, 16:21
Armi
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 3,019
Nice try. You conveniently forgot to mention the survey was taken from 664 fans, hardly representative of Arsenal's worldwide fan base.
If a survey of Arsenal supporters carried out by the AST can't be taken at face value, then what can?

No, I think we must accept that the opinion of most on here regarding Arsene is most certainly very much in the minority. Still an opinion of course, but clearly not a very popular one in the real world.
Armi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-09-2015, 17:45
ihatemarmite
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 4,058
the survey proves that a majority of members of the AST support Wenger. It doesn't prove that a majority of Arsenal fans who aren't members of the AST do.
ihatemarmite is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-09-2015, 21:56
robborocks
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 2,055
Nice try. You conveniently forgot to mention the survey was taken from 664 fans, hardly representative of Arsenal's worldwide fan base.
Also the survey was taken in May with the FA cup final and customary good run of results as soon as we are out of CL and title race.
robborocks is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-09-2015, 23:40
Armi
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 3,019
It's taken at the end of the 2014/15 season.

Perhaps you can write to the AST and suggest they carry out their annual survey in the middle of the season, when participants have to guess what they might say in May.
Armi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-09-2015, 06:51
satellite
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Apathyville
Posts: 6,055
Also the survey was taken in May with the FA cup final and customary good run of results as soon as we are out of CL and title race.
Thing is, it's just grasping at straws to claim a survey of just 664 people is representative of what all Arsenal fans think - quite laughable really. Either that or a wind up by the OP which I suspect is the case.
satellite is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-09-2015, 07:47
sotek
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 3,200
And in news that will surprise nobody, it seems our glorious leader has lied to us again.

Welbeck out for three months? Nope, most likely for the entire season:

http://www.theguardian.com/football/...odgson-arsenal
sotek is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-09-2015, 07:59
Elyan
Forum Member
 
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 6,867
My guess is his subterfuge - if there was any - was to deceive the clubs from which we were trying to buy a striker. Wouldn't want them to think we were more in need.

Makes much more sense than his trying to deceive fans. Not much point to that - unless I'm missing something.
Elyan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-09-2015, 09:04
sotek
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 3,200
My guess is his subterfuge - if there was any - was to deceive the clubs from which we were trying to buy a striker. Wouldn't want them to think we were more in need.

Makes much more sense than his trying to deceive fans. Not much point to that - unless I'm missing something.
Except the news about Welbeck was only made public after the transfer window had closed. My cynicism suggests it was simply to mitigate the anger of the fans after failing to act while the transfer window was open. By the time January rolls around and Welbeck is still absent he is confident everyone will have forgotten what was said. It isn't the first time it has happened and it won't be the last.
sotek is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-09-2015, 09:37
Elyan
Forum Member
 
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 6,867
Except the news about Welbeck was only made public after the transfer window had closed. My cynicism suggests it was simply to mitigate the anger of the fans after failing to act while the transfer window was open. By the time January rolls around and Welbeck is still absent he is confident everyone will have forgotten what was said. It isn't the first time it has happened and it won't be the last.
Periods out through injuries can often be difficult to predict.

Our medical team may have one view, whilst the England medical team's opinion might be different.

That's all I see here - a difference of opinion by medical teams. A machiavellian conspiracy by the manager would be way, way back in my thinking. If it did come to mind for some reason, I'd quickly dismiss it as ludicrous paranoia.
Elyan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-09-2015, 09:57
robborocks
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 2,055
Thing is, it's just grasping at straws to claim a survey of just 664 people is representative of what all Arsenal fans think - quite laughable really. Either that or a wind up by the OP which I suspect is the case.
I'd suspect a wind up too.
robborocks is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-09-2015, 10:18
DavidT
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: North Devon
Posts: 12,632
I'd suspect a wind up too.
Armi is turning into a Batdude Mini Me
DavidT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-09-2015, 10:25
Armi
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 3,019
How is it a wind up? It's a link to the results of a survey carried out by Arsenal Supporters Trust.

If the facts contained therein make you annoyed, that's not my doing. Take it up with them.
Armi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-09-2015, 10:29
Elyan
Forum Member
 
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 6,867
You have to laugh at some of the stuff that goes on in here. Like a load of old women.

Elyan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-09-2015, 10:30
Wouter
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Surrey
Posts: 1,907
Periods out through injuries can often be difficult to predict.

Our medical team may have one view, whilst the England medical team's opinion might be different.

That's all I see here - a difference of opinion by medical teams. A machiavellian conspiracy by the manager would be way, way back in my thinking. If it did come to mind for some reason, I'd quickly dismiss it as ludicrous paranoia.
Injuries at Arsenal are easy to predict. Every year, we will have them more than others for some reason. It's clear that this new injury, its severity and the need for surgery was known well before the transfer window was shut. While it makes sense that the news was not released in order to have a better position with potential targets/clubs, the fact that we're now left without proper coverage and no signings at all leads me to believe that mistakes were made.

Arsenal is the only team not to have signed an outfield player. Surely you can't argue that this is right?

Armi's 'poll' is not reflecting the current situation at all, I feel. If there were to be a similar poll now, I suspect that the result will be different.
Wouter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-09-2015, 10:32
DavidT
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: North Devon
Posts: 12,632
You have to laugh at some of the stuff that goes on in here. Like a load of old women.

Don't be too hard on Armi he's very young..
DavidT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-09-2015, 10:55
Elyan
Forum Member
 
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 6,867
Injuries at Arsenal are easy to predict. Every year, we will have them more than others for some reason. It's clear that this new injury, its severity and the need for surgery was known well before the transfer window was shut. While it makes sense that the news was not released in order to have a better position with potential targets/clubs, the fact that we're now left without proper coverage and no signings at all leads me to believe that mistakes were made.

Arsenal is the only team not to have signed an outfield player. Surely you can't argue that this is right?

Armi's 'poll' is not reflecting the current situation at all, I feel. If there were to be a similar poll now, I suspect that the result will be different.
Oh I don't dispute that we should ideally have signed at least a striker. There's no doubt our manager would also agree. He said he was trying to sign someone - and we all know he never does that on a whim. It just turns out that he couldn't get the player(s) he and his team had identified. I have no idea what the reasons were for that. None of us do. It doesn't make it any less disappointing I agree. We're all fans and we all want new, exciting signings that will add something to the team. I'm glad he didn't just sign 'anyone' though. I'm sure none of us would want another Kim Kallstrom or Andre Santos. I'd rather put a kid in.

As for the poll. It seems genuine enough. Eighty odd percent is probably a bit high judging by the other fans I speak to. I'd guess it to be more like 70%+. What I would agree with him on is that the contributors on DS are not a true reflection of the average group of Arsenal fans. It must by 80% want him out on here. That's definitely not true of most fans. This forum is a magnet for WOBs.
Elyan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-09-2015, 12:01
satellite
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Apathyville
Posts: 6,055
Don't be too hard on Armi he's very young..
Humm, I think you might just be right......
satellite is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-09-2015, 12:05
satellite
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Apathyville
Posts: 6,055
I'd suspect a wind up too.
Strange how the AST (most of them Gold Members or Shareholders) is now suddenly the mouthpiece for all Arsenal fans, all 664 of them. Maybe when they interview all 60,000 in the stadium plus all those other thousands and thousands of Arsenal fans who aren't members of the AST, I'll start to think they might have a point.
satellite is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-09-2015, 12:32
Armi
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 3,019
The AST are mostly ordinary fans from Arsenal families who have a dedicated interest in how our club is run.

The number of people surveyed is not much below what professional pollsters would consider a pretty standard sample figure.

So we have a reasonable number of dedicated Arsenal fans surveyed, and the figures are there in black and white. Without another formal poll to compare it with, this is what we have.
Armi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-09-2015, 15:32
sotek
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 3,200
A machiavellian conspiracy by the manager would be way, way back in my thinking. If it did come to mind for some reason, I'd quickly dismiss it as ludicrous paranoia.
There's absolutely nothing machiavellian about it. It's simply the manager treating the fans with contempt again. Unfortunately that has been a feature of his reign for a long time.
sotek is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-09-2015, 15:37
Elyan
Forum Member
 
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 6,867
There's absolutely nothing machiavellian about it. It's simply the manager treating the fans with contempt again. Unfortunately that has been a feature of his reign for a long time.
In what way do you believe he is treating the fans with contempt?
Elyan is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Reply




 
Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 05:16.