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Old 19-09-2015, 14:43
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They always raise their game against us. Trouble is we can't raise our game to beat them and I firmly point the finger at Wenger for that. Doesn't have the tools, look at the squad critically or work on the fine details to beat them.
I don't accept that teams "raise their game" against us. This is the same old Chelsea that have started the season so poorly. It was the same old shit Man Utd under Moyes. We just don't have the quality to beat the top teams.
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Old 19-09-2015, 14:48
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Chelsea would be 3 points behind Arsenal after this game. Lots of time to go yet.
And I'm sure Wenger will quote some variation of this over the next 24 hours. Yet it wasn't so long ago he was telling all who would listen that our problems last season all stemmed from the beginning of the season and how important it was to start well and how, this time, he would make sure we did. Bet the media won't remind him of that and bet he doesn't bring it up himself.
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Old 19-09-2015, 15:01
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Never looked likely scoring with 11 players or 10. Midfielders do not take their chances.

Terrible game, ruined by the referee.
^^ This.

Even though Dean had a shocker and Costa should have been off in the first place, we had chances and didn't take them.
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Old 19-09-2015, 15:05
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I don't accept that teams "raise their game" against us. This is the same old Chelsea that have started the season so poorly. It was the same old shit Man Utd under Moyes. We just don't have the quality to beat the top teams.
I agree with the bit about teams not raising their game. But it's not as if Chelsea are unbeatable. We have some good players, but just don't have the backbone and guts to give them a proper game - and that comes from the top (yes Wenger I'm looking at you).
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Old 19-09-2015, 15:09
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I don't accept that teams "raise their game" against us. This is the same old Chelsea that have started the season so poorly. It was the same old shit Man Utd under Moyes. We just don't have the quality to beat the top teams.
They got lucky...Costa should've gone...then you could argue Gabriel would've stayed on the pitch...we were in the game at that point and defending adequately. Not saying we would've won, but the refs actions (or lack of them) had a direct impact on the course of the game.
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Old 19-09-2015, 15:15
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I don't accept that teams "raise their game" against us. This is the same old Chelsea that have started the season so poorly. It was the same old shit Man Utd under Moyes. We just don't have the quality to beat the top teams.
They weren't bothering to close players down against Everton. Against us - Matic etc looked up for it.

I agree a Wenger team doesn't have the quality to beat a Mourinho team.
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Old 19-09-2015, 15:18
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We have some good players, but just don't have the backbone and guts to give them a proper game - and that comes from the top (yes Wenger I'm looking at you).
Spot on. Not enough players up for the fight. Gabriel tried but lost his head.
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Old 19-09-2015, 15:43
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Not sure you can blame Aw for how this game panned out. I mean most thinks are his fault. But once the ref ruined the game it was going one way. That said i think our players imo are not playing for him no more. I think you can see none of them seem to care. Sanchez, Santi, Ozil, Kos, our big pkayers have not stood up and been counted for. I am begining to think Ramsey is a one season wonder.

There is something mentally wrong with the sqaud this seasòn and Aw needs to take blame for this. The board need to be looking to replace him end of season. Ancelotti, Kloop and Pep. Make those calls now Ivan.

No Point dwelling on the past. On to the next game. Spuds it is. Play the sane team in th Cc minus those sent off. We need to win all the games we can.
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Old 19-09-2015, 16:00
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We were toothless up front. Walcott was gobshite as was Ozil. At least Sanchez tries to make things happen though it wasn't his day. Just prior to the Gabriel incident, Ramsey I think it was had an excellent chance to leather it from a decent angle but he checked back and the chance was gone. I do like Walcott as a player but ffs if he's being paid £140K for that drivel then I give up. He was utterly useless and that's being kind. I had forgotten Ozil was even on the pitch.

Yeah the sending off didn't help but we were going through the motions I thought. Nobody wants to take responsibility ex Sanchez perhaps. Effing passing it to death. Our corners are shite as well. Contenders for the PL.....what a joke that is. Got another season of this utter shite.
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Old 19-09-2015, 16:13
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I agree with the bit about teams not raising their game. But it's not as if Chelsea are unbeatable. We have some good players, but just don't have the backbone and guts to give them a proper game - and that comes from the top (yes Wenger I'm looking at you).
In a big game like this no way should u need a manager to hold ur hand. The players should be pumped anyway. Problem is ours do not seem to care themselves. They are happy to collect the pay check and that is it,

I agree we lack leaders though and until we get some things will be the same. We all know we will not win the league. Do u think the players do hence not trying?

Imo something is going on behind the scenes we do not know about and will not till Aw leaves. I do not think he is deluded enough to think this lot can win the league.
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Old 19-09-2015, 16:17
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what a joke that is. Got another season of this utter shite.
Well until fans start voting with their feet. No point moaing the club is mugging us off and go back for more. Hit the money men where it hurts.
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Old 19-09-2015, 16:40
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When do we play Spuds in the CC? Leicester is the next league game right? Should be interesting, since they seem to have balls. We don't.
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Old 19-09-2015, 16:43
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In a big game like this no way should u need a manager to hold ur hand. The players should be pumped anyway. Problem is ours do not seem to care themselves. They are happy to collect the pay check and that is it,

I agree we lack leaders though and until we get some things will be the same. We all know we will not win the league. Do u think the players do hence not trying?

Imo something is going on behind the scenes we do not know about and will not till Aw leaves. I do not think he is deluded enough to think this lot can win the league.
No I agree that the manager doesn't need to hold their hands, but he does need to actually 'manage' and motivating (ie: giving them a right bollocking rather than just crushing paper cups ...) but you are right, the players do need to stand up and be counted.

Anyway, let's see how we do against them lot down the road during the week.
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Old 19-09-2015, 16:46
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I I do not think he is deluded enough to think this lot can win the league.
Yes he is
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Old 19-09-2015, 16:51
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When do we play Spuds in the CC? Leicester is the next league game right? Should be interesting, since they seem to have balls. We don't.
Spuds on wedneday. Lecister on sat.
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Old 19-09-2015, 16:54
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Is it delusion or hope. I mean just because he says it does not mean he means it. He us not going to say "these lot r rubbish and have no chance" imo in his heart of heartsbright now he knows we have no chance. Problem is he is stubborn to change it.
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Old 19-09-2015, 16:58
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No I agree that the manager doesn't need to hold their hands, but he does need to actually 'manage' and motivating (ie: giving them a right bollocking rather than just crushing paper cups ...) but you are right, the players do need to stand up and be counted.

Anyway, let's see how we do against them lot down the road during the week.
Aw is a poor motivator always has been even in the invincible days. Back then the players stood up.
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Old 19-09-2015, 17:08
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Is it delusion or hope. I mean just because he says it does not mean he means it. He us not going to say "these lot r rubbish and have no chance" imo in his heart of heartsbright now he knows we have no chance. Problem is he is stubborn to change it.
I know what you mean, though I genuinely think he does think we can win it. Today's defeat will be glossed over by the Gabriel sending off. Though he was critical of the first goal from a defending view point. I don't think we played badly as such in that we were not being overrun but we hardly troubled them either. Maybe in the 2nd half had we 11 men then we may have forced the issue but time after time we huff and puff, play keep ball and offer nothing up top.

The thing is we are a team in limbo. Wenger has another season after this and then what? Players know he's not going to be around too much longer and potential new signings don't know who's going to be in charge. For all that though, it would not surprise me in the slightest if the board try to tie him down to another 2 years. He doesn't want to retire either.
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Old 19-09-2015, 17:23
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Spuds on wedneday. Lecister on sat.
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Old 19-09-2015, 18:25
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Fed up of the season already. Nothing changes. I'd agree there seem to be far too many players going through the motions these days. We don't look like scoring most of the time. No improvements in our defensive organisation. I just genuinely believe it's time for AW to move on. It's all too stale and predictable.
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Old 19-09-2015, 18:44
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Our season is over! Nothing has changed, in actual in fact it only has got worse.
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Old 19-09-2015, 19:16
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I know what you mean, though I genuinely think he does think we can win it. Today's defeat will be glossed over by the Gabriel sending off. Though he was critical of the first goal from a defending view point. I don't think we played badly as such in that we were not being overrun but we hardly troubled them either. Maybe in the 2nd half had we 11 men then we may have forced the issue but time after time we huff and puff, play keep ball and offer nothing up top.

The thing is we are a team in limbo. Wenger has another season after this and then what? Players know he's not going to be around too much longer and potential new signings don't know who's going to be in charge. For all that though, it would not surprise me in the slightest if the board try to tie him down to another 2 years. He doesn't want to retire either.
Totally agree.

Not once looked like scoring today. Even if we had 18 men on the field. The midfielders create so many chances yet are so wasteful. Sanchez looks running on empty, Ramsey is proving to be a one-season wonder. Walcott made openings, but he isn't an out-and-out striker. He's better working off another player and that certainly ain't Giroud.

The result is not at all surprising.
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Old 19-09-2015, 19:28
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Excellent result for West Ham. Memo to Arsenal - that's how you do it.
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Old 19-09-2015, 19:29
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It really comes to something when West Ham play better football than Arsenal.
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Old 19-09-2015, 19:32
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It really comes to something when West Ham play better football than Arsenal.
West Ham this season can actually defend, have better workrate and take their chances. Players seem to have a lot more spirit than ours.

Then again it might just be their manager.
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