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Is Sam even needed at this moment in time? We have Ronnie and Roxy now. Quote:
I can understand why Daniella was chosen as Sam in 2009 as she had worked with Patsy and Sid years prior. Now that they've both left I do think that bringing Kim back would be the best choice.
One of the problems I had with Kim in the role is that she didn't have the same chemistry with the Mitchell's that DW's Sam had. A posh voice among a gaggle of common ones. I think there's scope for a more mature Sam to return under DW with Richard. We last saw her five years ago. Motherhood might've changed her. She was already showing signs of this before she left. People long for the alleged 'mature' Sam of 04-05 (I'd question how mature Kim's Sam actually was) so bringing back DW as a 'mature' Sam could work. Kim was a better actress but I never felt she was anything outstanding, we're really not that short-changed on the acting front with Danniella. Quote:
It wouldn't surprise me if they did give the role to a new actress actually, purely because Kim Medcalf hasn't acted since 2010 - nobody knows what she's doing now. There;s a possibility that if she was asked back, she may not want to return, she might've moved on from acting.
If they found someone who had similar looks to Danniella or Kim, and was believable as a Mitchell/Peggy's daughter, it could potentially work...but it would take A LOT of convincing for many viewers Bib: That's one of the things they got wrong with the Kim recast, she just didn't fit into the Mitchell family imo. |
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At this stage, yeah. I loved her portrayal of Sam and if anyone can salvage the disaster that was Danniella Westbrook's 2009/10 stint, it is her.
Mitchell Sperminator Jack Branning isn't around Walford and neither are Ricky and Bianca. They pretty much keep the kids away from EE for long stretches anyway, so Sam's son would probably make as many appearances as Amy and Denny. EE in 2005 was must watch because of Kim and Tracy Ann Oberman. The post-Den Watts death storyline was incredible. So many big names left at the end of the year, and is partly why 2006 was so crap. |
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Did I read somewhere ages ago that Kim was now a mother?
She was the better of the two. |
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Did I read somewhere ages ago that Kim was now a mother?
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Is Sam even needed at this moment in time? We have Ronnie and Roxy now.
Phil is still there... One of the problems I had with Kim in the role is that she didn't have the same chemistry with the Mitchell's that DW's Sam had. A posh voice among a gaggle of common ones. I think there's scope for a more mature Sam to return under DW with Richard. We last saw her five years ago. Motherhood might've changed her. She was already showing signs of this before she left. People long for the alleged 'mature' Sam of 04-05 (I'd question how mature Kim's Sam actually was) so bringing back DW as a 'mature' Sam could work. Kim was a better actress but I never felt she was anything outstanding, we're really not that short-changed on the acting front with Danniella. Kim has been acting in the theatre. Bib: That's one of the things they got wrong with the Kim recast, she just didn't fit into the Mitchell family imo. Her and Tracey Ann Oberman CARRIED the show throughout 2005. Danniella's Sam had never been as central to EastEnders as Kim's Sam was. Can you honestly say Danniella could've pulled off those performances to the same degree? It would've been awful. I know you say Kim was too posh to be a Mitchell, but Ronnie, Glenda and Archie also speak speak/spoke quite posh, similarly to Kim, and they were believable as Mitchell's. The only reason people thought Kim's Sam didn't have chemistry with her on-screen family was because she never integrated with them a huge amount. Through the majority of her stint, Barbara Windsor and Steve McFadden weren't around. Danniella Westbrook has confirmed that she will not return to EastEnders, so their only option is Kim Medcalf (which I would be really happy about) or they could be take a huge risk and recast the role to a new actress yet again, however this would receive some backlash from fans. |
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I honestly don't get the fascination with Kim's portrayal of this character. There was a thread wondering the exact same thing not two weeks ago http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=2067184
The way people go on it's like she is a modern legend of the show when the biggest storyline she had was dominated by another character (Chrissie). I never bought the recast, Kim was too posh to play a Mitchell and imo didn't have the same chemistry with Phil, Peggy and Ricky. It's amazing that a change of wardrobe can lead so many people to believe that a character has matured as well. For all people talk about the Den storyline, the teen elopement storyline with Sam and Ricky was watched by upwards of 15 million viewers and in those days young EE stars were all over the press like pop stars. They were EE's very own Scott and Charlene. If you were to look at Sam's 1995-1996 and 1999-2000 stints then recasting the character doesn't seem so preposterous but she was more effective in her earlier stint. If Danniella hadn't been so dreadful Kim wouldn't be as loved I don't think. Danniella was truly atrocious as was that regression of Sam to her teenage years despite being in her mid 30s. Kim's Sam was a development from the tearaway teen days but then up turns Danniella and she's back scrapping with Bianca and pining over Ricky, this from a woman who was married to a guy like Andy Hunter. I always like Kim's Sam personally and when compared with the mess that was Danniella's she does look like a legendary character when you consider their allegedly the same person. I agree Sam isn't particularly needed given Ronnie kind of fulfills that character. And a final side note if they had recast Sam as Denise Van Outen I'd actually have approved, ok her acting is shaky but she fits the mature Sam role better than that reappearance of Danniella. |
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Kim was the much better actress however. She was a bit hit-and-miss to begin with, but proved herself to be a great actress in the end, and gave some fantastic performances in 2005, during the Dirty Den murder aftermath, particularly in the episodes when she dug his body up and was later charged with his murder
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Can you honestly say Danniella could've pulled off those performances to the same degree?
I don't know tbh. The Andy stuff I could see Danniella playing as love life drama was nothing new for Sam. I think with the Den storyline it's just because we didn't see it that we can't imagine it. Conversely we did see a planned reunion for Sam and Ricky flop, resulting in a rewrite of the storyline. Quote:
I know you say Kim was too posh to be a Mitchell, but Ronnie, Glenda and Archie also speak speak/spoke quite posh, similarly to Kim, and they were believable as Mitchell's.
Those characters hadn't previously appeared with common-sounding voices though. Sam is part of an immediate family unit who all speak commonly, apart from Roxy none of Archie's lot did.Quote:
Danniella Westbrook has confirmed that she will not return to EastEnders, so their only option is Kim Medcalf (which I would be really happy about) or they could be very controversial and recast the role to a new actress yet again.
Don't get me wrong I could live with it, I didn't feel strongly enough to switch off last time. Sam isn't that big of a character for me to refrain from watching.I accept it could happen one day and I would give it a chance, I'd be more comfortable with it if DW rules out a return completely. At this moment in time though I feel it would be an unnecessary step with Ronnie and Roxy on the scene. |
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I have always seen Kim Medcalf as Sam. She was the Sam I remember watching when I grew up, so I really disliked Danniella Westbrook's Sam when she was brought back later.
I did love Kim Medcalf's Sam, and if Sam ever came back it should definitely be her, but I'm not sure I can see how the character fits into the show now. As commented previously, I think Ronnie and Roxy definitely fill that role now, and as they've always struggled to find a storyline for Roxy that doesn't involve men, I can't see what storyline they would give Sam. Especially without Peggy or Grant around. |
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I would. I preferred Kim to Daniella. The character - even though the same - just felt more "Mitchell" with Kim in the role. The attitude she gave was a lot less bratty than Daniella's.
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If Sam was to ever come back, I'd personally like to have her come back alone. Whose to say she still has Richard, perhaps she had him adopted? Would certainly cause issues in the Mitchell household, all of whom bang on about family, to have a sister who has openly and "proudly" had her son adopted.
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Kim will always be Sam to me. She was the Sam I grew up with and even though I'd seen clips of Daniella as Sam as a young girl it was believable because Kim's Sam came in older and supposedly wiser but when Daniella came back it was just a complete mess tbh. Who was she a 16 year old girl again? It did not make any sense what so ever and was a complete slap in the face for people who had watched EE through kims years because she was almost a completely different character to kims Sam and this time it's not believable as we had already seen an older Sam. I think what would've made it more believable/interesting is if she came back reverted to her old ways again of being a self defeated spoilt brat who felt she wasn't good enough but actually It was a front and an act in front of her family because she tried to be more like her brothers in 02-05 but she failed when she lost the business etc so you could've seen her give up and act the baby but then eventually see her drop the act and become her slightly mature self again and rebuild herself Into the kim version of Sam who was
Stronger and more mature in the sense she didn't act like a teenager. Daniella as Sam will never be a proper character again. If they want Sam back with big storylines it would have to be Kim or someone else. |
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Kim will always be Sam to me. She was the Sam I grew up with and even though I'd seen clips of Daniella as Sam as a young girl it was believable because Kim's Sam came in older and supposedly wiser but when Daniella came back it was just a complete mess tbh. Who was she a 16 year old girl again? It did not make any sense what so ever and was a complete slap in the face for people who had watched EE through kims years because she was almost a completely different character to kims Sam and this time it's not believable as we had already seen an older Sam. I think what would've made it more believable/interesting is if she came back reverted to her old ways again of being a self defeated spoilt brat who felt she wasn't good enough but actually It was a front and an act in front of her family because she tried to be more like her brothers in 02-05 but she failed when she lost the business etc so you could've seen her give up and act the baby but then eventually see her drop the act and become her slightly mature self again and rebuild herself Into the kim version of Sam who was
Stronger and more mature in the sense she didn't act like a teenager. Daniella as Sam will never be a proper character again. If they want Sam back with big storylines it would have to be Kim or someone else.
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In fairness to Danniella, I read that for her return storyline, she asked the EE crew if she needed to do any research on Sam while she was away (I'd imagine she was referring to the Kim Medalf era Sam), but they told her not to bother. So it wasn't completely her fault since TPTB thought the viewers were stupid enough to bring her back and act as though the 2002-05 never happened. The same Sam who married Andy Hunter found herself and part of one of the biggest storylines of the past decade back feuding with Bianca over Ricky.
Santer's biggest mistake as EP. |
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Absolutley the only issue would be the product of Jack Branning tagging along at her side. That would be the only unfortunate part. As long as we never see Danniella again I'm also open to another recast that isn't Kim as long as it has more Kim's type of Sam.
Another one I'd be happy retro recasting would be Peter Beale, I think Thomas could still work in that role and work with new Lauren. |
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In fairness to Danniella, I read that for her return storyline, she asked the EE crew if she needed to do any research on Sam while she was away (I'd imagine she was referring to the Kim Medalf era Sam), but they told her not to bother. So it wasn't completely her fault since TPTB thought the viewers were stupid enough to bring her back and act as though the 2002-05 never happened. The same Sam who married Andy Hunter found herself and part of one of the biggest storylines of the past decade back feuding with Bianca over Ricky.
Santer's biggest mistake as EP. I'm bumping this (rather than creating a new thread) to ask if anyone found out if the rumour was true that Kim had been asked to come back ?? |
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