Events of 8.4 Listen could still come back to bite Doctor and Clara in the proverbial behind.

For sake of argument in a different timeline Clara married Danny and had a family with him. Including a grandson or great grandson Orson Pink.

Danny's tragic and early death meant things have now changed. There has to be consequences a family bloodline just destroyed. Pinks who were suppose to be born now don't or won't exist.

Clara and Doctor might discover the consequences of this. Forget paradoxes ,timey whimey or fixed points. Simple choice a chance to go back and put it right.

Clara says her farewells to the doctor he sends he back to the day she lost Danny.
Clara saves him and gets her happy ending. Timelines restored Orson Pink continues the family line. Everyone is happy. Doctor is sad to lose Clara but know she is where she belongs with the man she loves.

I don't think we'll see any consequences. I reckon we'll just see Dany and Orson Pink forgotten and series 9 will focus entirely on the Doctor and Clara travelling together.

Except me.

I don't want that plank on my screen again, nor anywhere near Clara. I'd rather she died a painful death than ended up back with that twit


Fingers crossed

It's not difficult to suppose that Orson comes from a branch of the family that didn't descend from Danny, and that could be anything from a brother to someone relating through his great grandfather.

Danny is gone and he's not coming back.

She might do both


Speaking personally, I found Orson Pink to be one of the least memorable parts of series 8 so hopefully that will never be mentioned again.

Although - we know that something separates the Doctor and Clara in the first two-parter

Maybe - no sooner has Clara ran off with the Doctor than she discovers that she is pregnant (Doctor does a quick check of his diary.) so she goes back to Earth to have the baby.

That also provides an easy way to write Clara out; if the Doctor has another of his "that took a bit longer than I thought" moments, like when he returned for Amelia or the first time he rescued Clara from the dream crab, and Clara misses ten years of her child's life and knows she must stop travelling with the Doctor if she's not going to miss any more of his life.

(Of all the speculative plots I've come up this is the one I hate the most but it fits with Moffat's words in his recent DS interview "Clara's journey is pronounced and she continues to complicate" although it doesn't fit with the recent quotes by Brian Minchin.)

I think Danny may be a descendent of Orson's. That would at least explain the physical resemblance and be a suitably Moffat-esque timey-wimey plot line.

I still don't understand all the hatred for Danny. For me he's a decent, honourable character played convincingly.

Jealous, much, all you Danny haters?

For me, it's important to properly resolve unanswered plot lines like Orson Pink. Sure, you can, at the moment, imagine a "solution" where Orson is not descended from Danny, but that's not very satisfying, is it? The fact that Orson looks like Danny and has a grandmother who was involved in time travel is reduced to merely an insignificant coincidence. I mean, why bother hinting that Orson is a descendent if you're not going to do something with that connection that's worthwhile dramatically?

Not that good drama needs all the dots joining, but some, such as Orson Pink, require of some explanation.

You damn right I'm jealous. It's always been my ambition to be an abusive, short fused, boring plank of wood where my girlfriend has to walk on tiptoes and lie to her best mate because I don't approve of the life she leads.

Danny's living the dream there.

And I don't understand how anyone can like him. Thought his character just got in the way, had no chemistry with Clara and was really just a plot device. I hated the way he spoke to the Doctor and didn't think much to the actor (that's me being polite) either.

But hey, we all have different opinions

Why would I be jealous of him

Cos he was with Clara?

It's the only explanation for the hatred I can think of.

For me, hatred is far too strong a word for any fictional character, BTW.

Surely out-and-out villains like Davros, the Daleks or the Master are much more deserving of that.

I, a straight female (BTW), am jealous that a fictional character was with another fictional character?

Yeah, I think I'm going to stick with my reasons for why I don't like him

Like you said, everyone has their own opinions.

Apologies, BTW. Gender is not always obvious in a text only environment.

That is a total misreading of the character, for me. Especially the "abusive" label.

Try "truthful", "caring" and "self sacrificing". The only thng he expected of Clara was not to lie to him. Which she did. Repeatedly. And he still loved her, didn't finish with her and, in the end, sacrificed himself to save her and the world.

Fair enough if that's your view of him, I won't argue on that. But I far from agree though. I just saw him as an abusive, short fused prat who Clara had to be wary around. See their date on episode 4 as an example. Never bought the romance for one minute. It was the only fault I had with series 8.

I'm not saying that he didn't have trust issues - with guilt and anger over what had happened and what he did during his time in the Army, leading to a lack of self confidence (initially) with the opposite sex (not to mention being brought up in a children's home as well) - but he definitely wasn't abusive in my book. Quite the opposite. He was a decent, honourable bloke as far as I could see.

Danny was a dick, plain and simple. Controlling, manipulative and abusive at times. But then so was Clara to him, and so was the Doctor to them both. As was Amy to Rory in her day. Gotta just roll with it I suppose.

Where on Earth do you get "abusive" from? Did he hit Clara? Did he call her names?

As for "controlling" and "manipulative" as well - he made a big deal of wanting Clara to be honest with him. And when she wasn't, he still stayed together with her anyway. In that sense you could argue he was weak. For me, honesty is one of the most important things in a 'ship.

Both the Doctor and Clara are manipulative and controlling. And this Doctor was abusive at times. Sometimes it was for humour, other times quite pointed, and not always about eliciting the desired response. Perhaps that's why it took till Last Christmas for me to warm to him.

I think you're mistaking 'controlling' with passionate and/or having an opinion. Maybe you think what makes a good boyfriend is allowing their other half to do exactly as they please without having a say in it one way or the other. If Clara was my girlfriend I'm not sure I'd want her galavanting around with some random bloke either. Call me crazy.

I'm not.

They might not of liked another but by the end doctor and Danny did like and respect eachother . Doctor would not of approved if Danny was not a good man.

Alright. I just think you're wrong then.

Fair enough! Happy to agree to disagree... unless you fancy fighting it out with a slanging mach like proper Who fans

Oh I'll always opt for a big fat row on here. Ya slag!

Boo you, you... you anorak!

Wow you've certainly got my number!