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Old 16-11-2015, 12:12
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I should have know before it even started that the show would be lame. The lead - Melissa someone????? - was in Glee and was basically a charisma free zone while in that. I remember hearing she'd been cast in this and being surprised but was prepared to give it a go and see if it lived up to Arrow/Flash.

Sadly her acting is as poor as ever and comparable to the other charisma free actor from The OC who was cast on Gotham.

Oh well, two out of four shows isn't too bad.
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Old 16-11-2015, 12:26
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Kara already new Clark was Superman, hence why James said it when talking to her.
But they weren't alone.

Kara's friend/workmate (whatever his name is) was in the room with them and he didn't know.
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Old 16-11-2015, 12:48
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But they weren't alone.

Kara's friend/workmate (whatever his name is) was in the room with them and he didn't know.
Indeed and as it played out in the scene, James only realises this after he's said it since he's focused on Kara. Mothus appeared to indicate that Clark had revealed his secret identity to Kara by texting.
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Old 16-11-2015, 12:56
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Yes, Buffy was known for it's sophistication

"Hey Buffy, are you going to go all slayerish with the pointy thingy in the vampirey guys?"
Actually it was.

The series' title and its humour subvert expectations. The quality of it's writing and the depth of some of the themes it explored are well known.
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Old 16-11-2015, 13:00
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I enjoyed the episode but I was surprised at how badly she fared on her second fight with the bad guy considering he was just a human in a powered suit and she is supposed to be indestructible when it comes to anything other than a red sun, kryptonite or magic.

It also didn't seem consistent with how well she coped with him the first time.

Still, I suppose they have to make the fights two-sided somehow.
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Old 16-11-2015, 13:09
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Yes, Buffy was known for it's sophistication

"Hey Buffy, are you going to go all slayerish with the pointy thingy in the vampirey guys?"
Exactly what episode was that line from ?
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Old 16-11-2015, 13:10
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That lack of consistency was very odd in the episode. She coped quite well in round 1 but based on what was said throughout the episode about him going toe to toe with Superman the 2nd round seemed for accurate.

What was also odd was that he needed someone to fix his suit; presumably he created it in the first place?!

RE: Buffy comparison - the first season is hardly sophisticated, it developed into a great show over time so I think it's unfair to dismiss Supergirl now unless you really dislike the style. I'm sure there are lots out there that dismissed 'The Flash' too at the start following on from the tone of 'Arrow'.
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Old 16-11-2015, 13:11
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I enjoyed the episode but I was surprised at how badly she fared on her second fight with the bad guy considering he was just a human in a powered suit and she is supposed to be indestructible when it comes to anything other than a red sun, kryptonite or magic.

It also didn't seem consistent with how well she coped with him the first time.

Still, I suppose they have to make the fights two-sided somehow.
To be fair jimmy did say he nearly killed superman in one of their many battles and in the end she did what he couldn't and beat him. A couple of things that weren't right was jimmy telling people he hardly knows about clark being superman and kara on messenger with clark. Clark would never go on messenger because its too much of a risk of others seeing it and finding out about him. Other than that it was a good ep.
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Old 16-11-2015, 13:15
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...Clark would never go on messenger because its too much of a risk of others seeing it and finding out about him. Other than that it was a good ep.
There's no risk in using messenger as long as he doesn't refer to things that would directly connect him to Superman; in this case I think he was walking a fine line iirc from the messages.
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Old 16-11-2015, 13:17
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That lack of consistency was very odd in the episode. She coped quite well in round 1 but based on what was said throughout the episode about him going toe to toe with Superman the 2nd round seemed for accurate.
Yeah, I didn't really get that either. Even if I bought the idea that Kara is too unskilled in her powers to cope with him I don't get how a human in a suit could possibly be capable of standing up to someone who can fly into the heart of the sun and not feel a thing, could tear his armour apart with his little finger and could move so quickly as to be able to tear the suit off him before he'd even had time to raise an arm in his general direction.

Is this particular villain in the comics because, to be honest, I really don't buy him as a credible threat for someone with Kryptonian powers!
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Old 16-11-2015, 13:30
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Is this particular villain in the comics because, to be honest, I really don't buy him as a credible threat for someone with Kryptonian powers!
Yes, he's a Supergirl villain. Quite different back story though.
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Old 16-11-2015, 13:32
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Yeah, I didn't really get that either. Even if I bought the idea that Kara is too unskilled in her powers to cope with him I don't get how a human in a suit could possibly be capable of standing up to someone who can fly into the heart of the sun and not feel a thing, could tear his armour apart with his little finger and could move so quickly as to be able to tear the suit off him before he'd even had time to raise an arm in his general direction.

Is this particular villain in the comics because, to be honest, I really don't buy him as a credible threat for someone with Kryptonian powers!
A quick search and he is a DC villain in Supergirl's rogues gallery.

Your point about speed is a very valid one, in theory she and Superman can just do what 'The Flash' does in taking out villains. They never seem to really use it in that way in the versions of the character I've watched in the past; except for Clark in Smallville but that was main thing since he couldn't fly.
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Old 16-11-2015, 18:12
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Watched the first 3 episodes available on NowTV and it has hooked me more than Heroes Reborn has managed so far.

It reminds me of the Reeve Superman films, has a lot of heart and warmth between characters and the villain of the week almost takes a back seat.

Makes a change from the current fashion for gritty/dark super heroes where the chemistry and humour suffers for the action. I'm all actioned out after the endless Avengers related movies where the fights are choreographed like the Transformers movies, lots of action but no real sense of peril, just pushing each other about until the final solution is deployed.

That's probably the most worrying thing about Supergirl with the bad aliens that mean most of the fights will be pretty even and they spend too long pushing each other through walls. I'm not even sure how team 'S' have identical powers but the other aliens don't, unless it's genetics and down to family as much as which planet they came from.

At least while Kara is getting up to scratch since she 'came out' she has to use some alternative methods to defeat the foes, and the help from her sister is valuable.

I don't mind the awkward way they're having to deal with Superman not being able to be shown proper (CBS/DC decision due to movies I gather and don't want to do cross over between movies and shows like some of the Marvel stuff has), or the way Supergirl is trying to come out of Superman's shadow instead of them working as a team which is what would happen in real life. The media boss even said the 'S' was a team logo, so why shouldn't they both help each other out when needed.

I hope it stays light hearted, almost original A Team level of fun. Who cares about realism, caped super heroes are about as unreal as it gets.
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Old 16-11-2015, 20:53
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A quick search and he is a DC villain in Supergirl's rogues gallery.

Your point about speed is a very valid one, in theory she and Superman can just do what 'The Flash' does in taking out villains. They never seem to really use it in that way in the versions of the character I've watched in the past; except for Clark in Smallville but that was main thing since he couldn't fly.
Like Flash against Dr Light last episode. While yeah, light blasts should be faster than Flash (though they seemed more like sub-light energy blasts), Flash IS fast enough to run at her and knock her out before she could even react and let a blast out. Same with Cold's blasts. Maybe dodge the first one since he only just becomes aware of Cold, but after that he should be in his face knocking him out before his trigger finger pushes a second time. Superman/Supergirl seem to have this problem, too.
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Old 16-11-2015, 21:22
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Yeah, I didn't really get that either. Even if I bought the idea that Kara is too unskilled in her powers to cope with him I don't get how a human in a suit could possibly be capable of standing up to someone who can fly into the heart of the sun and not feel a thing, could tear his armour apart with his little finger and could move so quickly as to be able to tear the suit off him before he'd even had time to raise an arm in his general direction.

Is this particular villain in the comics because, to be honest, I really don't buy him as a credible threat for someone with Kryptonian powers!
Well I've thought that ever since I heard about Batman vs Superman.
An alien with super powers vs a rich guy in a suit with some gadgets.
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Old 16-11-2015, 21:26
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I should have know before it even started that the show would be lame. The lead - Melissa someone????? - was in Glee and was basically a charisma free zone while in that. I remember hearing she'd been cast in this and being surprised but was prepared to give it a go and see if it lived up to Arrow/Flash.

Sadly her acting is as poor as ever and comparable to the other charisma free actor from The OC who was cast on Gotham.

Oh well, two out of four shows isn't too bad.
To be fair. Grant Gustin (The Flash) was also in Glee and he's doing a perfectly good job in his new role so I wouldnt hold that against her.
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Old 16-11-2015, 22:59
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Episode 4 has been pulled in the US (they're showing ep 5 a week early).
I thought I read that they'd simply been swapped-around is all. Either way they'll show it eventually.
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Old 18-11-2015, 07:14
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Exactly what episode was that line from ?
None specifically.

It was an example of the sort of dialogue that came with Whedonspeak.

Actually it was.

The series' title and its humour subvert expectations. The quality of it's writing and the depth of some of the themes it explored are well known.
It was a great show, but it wasn't sophisticated, by any means. Even the idea of the girl who one might think would be the victim actually being the hero who kills the monsters was nothing innovative. It's the girl traditionally in most horror movies who DOES kill the monster, or pose the greatest ongoing threat to them.
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Old 18-11-2015, 09:03
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It was a great show, but it wasn't sophisticated, by any means. Even the idea of the girl who one might think would be the victim actually being the hero who kills the monsters was nothing innovative. It's the girl traditionally in most horror movies who DOES kill the monster, or pose the greatest ongoing threat to them.
This is the wrong thread for an in depth discussion of Buffy the Vampire Slayer. I will just say that we'll have to agree to disagree on that one.
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Old 18-11-2015, 18:27
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If Supergirl was KO'ing the villians in one punch in the first few seconds of the first encounter then the same people would be moaning she's to powerful and what's the point of a villian who poses no threat.

Comic books and comic book movies/tv shows have always been the same the villian gets the upperhand at the first encounter then the hero comes back to beat them.
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Old 18-11-2015, 20:51
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Supergirl fell in raw viewers again in the US this week but only by 6% and rated reasonably well.

If it is starting to stabilise around 7.8 million and getting a 1.8 (up from 1.7) in the key demo it should get a further episode order soon.
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Old 19-11-2015, 12:23
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If Supergirl was KO'ing the villians in one punch in the first few seconds of the first encounter then the same people would be moaning she's to powerful and what's the point of a villian who poses no threat.

Comic books and comic book movies/tv shows have always been the same the villian gets the upperhand at the first encounter then the hero comes back to beat them.
In this case, Supergirl had a fairly easy time of it in first encounter and then almost died in the second encounter before beating him in the third encounter. So it was a little inconsistent.

I have no problems with villains being strong enough to challenge her as long as it is plausible that their powers should be able to do so. I'm not sure that a human in a suit should qualify. She's supposed to be immune to something as mundane as radiation or heat and If you hit a human with the kind of force that Supergirl has it should shatter bones and break necks regardless of how strong their armour might be.

But, it's no big deal, I still enjoyed the episode.
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Old 19-11-2015, 20:56
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Old 19-11-2015, 20:56
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Old 20-11-2015, 08:51
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Great episode. Loads of character building. I love the idea of Helen Slater and Dean Cain being her parents and Livewire was a cool villain. I still can't warm to James Olsen though. He's just too bland.
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