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Steven Moffat needs to put his romantic feelings for River Song aside and focus on bringing back characters who need to return like Captain Jack.

Jack doesn't need a return whatsoever though.

I think he does. 12 would be hilarious alongside Captain Jack.

Well I don't think he does. *shrug*

Just grinds my gears when you say stuff like "Steven Moffat should focus more on X/Y/Z who need returns, instead of bringing back A/B/C." Steven Moffat doesn't need to do anything. He doesn't need to bring anyone back. You're just stuck in the past and want the return of ruddy everyone; K9, Jack, Docs 10 and 11... just let it go, and see what happens.

Not everyone. I don't want to see River Song, Martha Jones or Danny Pink return.

Whoooosh. I wasn't being literal with "ruddy everyone". Anyway. Just let these things go. Cos you do realise that if you go into each series demanding/wanting X/Y/Z, then you're likely to be disappointed if they don't show up, and then we'll never hear the end of you proclaiming "missed opportunity!" or whatever for ages. SteMo isn't gunna read this forum and go, "oh, Dalekbuster wants more Jack, K9 and 10, but not River, Martha or Danny so I'll pencil them in my little notebook."




I dunno, maybe I'm a minority, but I long for the day when we get a series - just one series - with no callbacks or returning elements/monsters/etc.

Still got my fingers crossed for Pigbin Josh to return, personally. Back story completely unexamined.

I would certainly welcome a series without the Daleks, Cybermen or Paternoster Gang.

Love em all dearly but they do feel rather over used of late and the show is beginning to get a little formulaic in that respect.

No thanks. That would be boring.

You're not a fan of Seasons 13, 14 and 15 then (TDA/IoT excluded)?

Nah, sorry DB. Returning monsters and characters all the damn time is boring. (Hey look, different opinions!) Having a series sans returnees would force them to be more creative for 12 whole weeks/episodes. Then it'll also allow time for people to actually miss stuff like the Daleks, so their return after that will be a little more special.

Sorry, accidental double post.

I'm non-plus about this news and I can't say that I'm surprised. If anything, I'm leaning towards the negative vibe tbh, as in 'does death for a character not mean anything anymore'? Heck, it'll be Sara Kingdom, Katrina or Adric next!

Telling people where they can post a piece of NEWS direct from BBC NEWS is ludicrous. Doctor Who NEWS is of general interest.

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/s7/do...octor-who.html

This very site ran with the story. So it's deeply unpleasant to advocate Forum Apartheid in here and tell people they should go and discuss the piece of NEWS at the back of the bus.

If you don't want to accidentally happen across a piece of Doctor Who NEWS, then you're going to have a hard time navigating any Doctor Who-related forum.

Clue: It's NEWS.

Funny thing about online debates. Whenever someone starts ranting with the Capslock Of Rage, it nearly always means, "I know I've lost the argument but I'm too stubborn to admit it, so I'll just try to shout my opponents down instead and hope they don't notice."

But I'll pretend you're still interested in debating this anyway...

Being news and being a spoiler aren't mutually exclusive. Why do you think they should be?

Well, I see the "Capslock of Rage" gave you a cheap get-out clause from actually addressing the post about your frankly bizarre idea that people should hide away to discuss widely publicised news.

If information has been distributed all over the media in a press release, then it is not something that anyone should need to whisper about in a designated corner of the forum. Regardless of whether you regard it to be a "spoiler".

Honestly, I used to be a spoilerphobe, but then I realised that there isn't really a difference between me finding out now, or finding out when it happens. It'll happen either way and it's exciting to see what Osgood's return has in store. You should be looking forward to it.

Hiding from spoilers is like eating half a cupcake just so you can save the rest for later.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02qyfc9/player

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02qyf2y/player

We haven't seen her dressed like the 2nd or 3rd Doctor yet. Perhaps she may reappear inspired by 2 and 3 too?

A "get-out clause from actually addressing the post"? Really? I asked you a specific question about it. A question which you didn't answer. Which one of us is not "addressing the post"?

And another question... How else are we going to discuss existing episodes of DW here without being distracted by any of the upcoming stuff? If you know of a better way of doing it, then say so.

It just seems bizarre to me that people try in vain to avoid discussion of Doctor Who news on a Doctor Who forum, like some sort of sad re-enactment of the No Hiding Place episode of Whatever Happened to the Likely Lads.

Unless they can somehow manage to avoid every news source and every single BBC One promo in August, the chances of watching an episode completely "cold" are virtually nil.

Exactly. The way some are talking here, you'd think we knew every detail about the episode/plot.

There's a big difference.

If we don't know what happens, we can be caught up in the story, be drawn into the fictional world. If you know what's going to happen, you think, "Oh yes, I remember this," then it reminds you you're just watching a show, and you lose interest in giving the episode your full attention. It's like trying to watch something for a second time: it's just nowhere near as enjoyable because you already know what's coming.


No, getting the spoiler is like eating half the cupcake now. I want to wait and enjoy a whole, fresh cupcake when the time is right.

The problem here is that you're conflating your own extreme definition of "spoilers" with the more common definition. So your previous question about spoilers and news not being mutually exclusive is fallacious. It makes no sense to say things aren't mutually exclusive when you're not even using the commonly accepted definitions.

As for your other question about how we could discuss existing episodes of DW here without being distracted by any of the upcoming stuff. Well, that only seems to be a "problem" for just a few members. If it becomes more widespread, maybe a group of people could lobby DS to provide various Doctor Who subforums? But I can't see that happening anytime soon.

So the BBC should never have released this Press Release/put this news out there.

And then it would've leaked because they're filming outdoors and being watched/snapped etc. And those moaning now would probably have found out before the series anyway, and been just as upset (if not more upset) cos it'd leaked. They can't win.

They released it as news cos they were doing location filming (today). The news is therefore out there. If that really upsets you that much, come off it. There are 12 episodes this series. Osgood and Zygons are just two spoilers, if you're calling them that. There are gunna be more stories, episodes, plot twists, revelations, characters, settings and the like to be surprised by (including, y'know the actual plot of the Zygon/Osgood tale too)!