So why do you want to go out of your way to make the problem even worse?

Isn't it also slightly funny that only Osgood and Zygons are the spoilers here. Do people not class finding out the writer also a spoiler?

Good to see Osgood making a return. Personally I would be more than happy to see her become the next companion. She has an old school school vibe to her. If the character does become the companion I hope she isnt bogged down with baggage and mysterious backstory.

Another straw man. And a very flimsy one. The BBC press release is easy to avoid. The BBC press officers didn't start this thread with the giveaway title. The BBC press office isn't what we've been complaining about.

Once news is put out by BBC PR, it's going to end up everywhere. It's on the front page of DS too, this very site, for heaven's sake. The news is out there now. And quelle surprise, it's also on Doctor Who forums.

Maybe you might want to avoid places that talk about Doctor Who if you don't want to (accidentally or otherwise!) come across official news.

(*sigh*) The writer's name isn't in the thread title. Even if it were a spoiler, it's hidden safely away where it belongs inside the post.

I wish I could add it to the title, to be honest. (Would you be complaining if the title had instead been "Peter Harness returning"?)

I just can't believe people are getting this pissy over what is ultimately just a TV show. It's a little amusing, I have to admit.

I've just been reading some of your previous posts and if I may, you're a fine one to talk.

So, rather than you take just a little bit of care with thread titles, I should avoid all Doctor Who discussion boards for the foreseeable future... Which of us did you say was making unreasonable demands on the other?

I didn't need to take care cos, uh, it's officially released news. (I'd see your point had I put something that hadn't been in the news release in the title.) And, frankly, if there's any more news which could spawn a discussion of its own, I won't hesitate to do similar (provided my title/thread is all 'above board' and only discusses officially released stuff of course).

Thank you, I'm glad you find me of very high quality.

My definition? From the Oxford English Dictionary:

Nothing there about "unless some random guy in the BBC press office says otherwise." Nice of the people at the OED to go with my own personal definition, rather than your "commonly accepted" one! I'm obviously more powerful and influential than I knew.


But unless that happens, we both have to work together. I won't look in threads that might obviously contain spoilers, and you don't post spoilers in thread titles where they can't be avoided. Nice, simple co-operation. Is that really too much to ask?

I know I'm in a minority, but this news hasn't spoiled anything for me. So for me, personally, it's not even a spoiler. I know, I must be weird. If anything it's just made me a little more excited to see how it all pans out.

Except we know virtually nothing about the story or even if Ingrid is playing the "real" Osgood. So it's a teaser, just like every trailer and the majority of publicity shots.

It is too much to ask if you want news items to be alluded to cryptically in thread titles on a Doctor Who forum.
It's you, obviously. You're making the unreasonable demand if you think official news should be confined to designated "spoiler" threads.

I still don't understand what all the fuss is about. People have always discussed Doctor Who news that is officially released and never had to be concerned about thread titles or spoilers before.

See these as two examples from years gone by, of which I am sure there are plenty of others:

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1627712

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1804480

Glad to see both Osgood and the Zygons returning to Doctor Who.

We don't know where this falls in Osgoods personal timeline, if she is herself then I would think its before 'Death In Heaven' and after 'Day of the Doctor', especially since she wasn't surprised by Twelve's appearance in the former.

If she was a Zygon in 'DIH' then it could be anywhere.

What's interesting is (Just in case)

Osgood, the scientist can only nudge The Doctor towards something, to make him, do something, something good.

Osgood- Doctor, you might not remember, time stuff but remember I've always been there, maybe from the distance, time travel does that, you forget, I forget, near but so far, if I say, Las Vegas?
The Doctor- Las Vegas?
Osgood- Clara said you were gonna visit Las Vegas?
The Doctor- Oh yeah, that was the cold.
Osgood- Yes.

There's also a Sasha Dickens in the cast, which coupled with a lack of IMDB or other details of previous casting suggests to me that they're children, and twins or sisters. I'm going for twins.

I'm guessing Kate probably doesn't find out Osgood is 'alive' (alive in ''' because we don't know if it's the Zygon one yet) until the latter two parter.

No it's not. It's instant gratification like pandering to a child who can't wait for his or her birthday. Reveals should be in the story itself. In my opinion.

What's the problem using the spoiler thread? Why the fuss?

"Oh, wow. I was so shocked to see the Zygons return even though they no doubt spent a ton of money creating the prosthetic costume for Day of the Doctor!"

Ok, that makes the fake name thing more unlikely

Nope. You're right in the first sentence, the rest is an attempt at self justification and makes no sense to me. I think stuff like this should be kept under wraps as much as possible and the BBC in this case put publicity ahead of spoiler concerns. It's pandering to the me, me, me, now, now, now generation. And to the ego: "Look at me, aren't I great, I was first to post this tidbit of information".

Ideally I like to see stuff I care about knowing as little as possible about the story ahead of time. I'm looking forward to the series as much as anyone else here. Knowing who the writer is gives little away about plot. Location shoot "news" I also avoid as much as possible.

Judging from the reaction here to a mere request for consideration, I will have to leave this forum until the series begins to air.

I will have my cupcake later. Thank you.

It's about promoting and selling a story. It's about creating buzz around the fact that a popular recurring character (played by a well respected actress) appears to be back from the dead. That's why news stories are discussed out in the open, rather than hidden away in spoiler threads.

No popular TV show or movie is ever promoted or discussed in the ambiguous way you want.

Blimey this is all a bit tedious.

They put the news out there cos they knew it'd leak. Fair enough that the BBC want to be the ones to release info about their show, rather than things first arrive because of fans watching them film and posting on Twitter, etc.

It's not pandering to the "me, me, me, now, now, now generation" either. It's just them wanting to be the ones to put the news out first because of how fast info spreads these days. It is, at the end of the day, their show, so I totally get that they'd rather be the ones to release info in press releases than have stuff turn up from fans and people snapping photos on location.