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Old 05-04-2016, 10:14
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And I've said it before but I will say it again, the lack of Vandal Savage makes this show so much better. I really hope they wrap up that particular storyline this season and don't carry it over in to next.
If they do finish up the Vandal Savage storyline, what will season two be about? I mean the whole reason for them teaming up and travelling through time was dealing with Savage. Would Captain Cold and Heatwave stick around without Vandal Savage to deal with?.
The other DC shows, Arrow, Flash and Supergirl tend to change their villains per season (I know Supergirl is still on it's first series, though there's a good chance Non wont be the main villain if/in series 2).

I would be surprised if Legends kept the same main villain, but then it is a shorter show, and Savage hasn't really been the main villain (he's suppose to be, but it feels like we've had more episodes without him than we have with him). I suppose if they were to kill him off then Legends could turn into a mere time travel road trip; similar to Doctor Who, with the crew dealing with other threats throughout the timeline; maybe Rip will even end up getting hired by some specialist time masters to do just that?

We know the team is suppose to change going forward, and I'm expecting Snart and Heatwave to retire for a bit (especially with the Prison Break revival coming), and we still haven't got a replacement for Carter yet.
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Old 08-04-2016, 14:29
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Not my favourite episode and I don't think they did anything too new with the whole 'let's kill a tyrant as a child' type of dilemmas. Wait they made things worse. Good going, Rip.

I did find the various viewpoints from Rip, Sara, Snart and so on when it came to dealing with Per interesting but I knew none of them were going to actually kill him.

Both Rip and Savage might need lessons in history/mythology etc. Savage won this round I guess.

Nice stuff with Kendra and Ray this week. Didn't mind seeing Carter in flashbacks and found it funny when Ray realised that Jewel Staite's character came from his brother's timeline than his own too.

Is it me or did Gideon have a lot to do in this episode? Compared to both Jax and Stein who seemed underused this week.

Nice scenes with Sara/Mick, Sara/Snart and Mick/Snart in this episode too, 7/10
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Old 08-04-2016, 19:33
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Getting really fed up with this show, a real lack of direction along with some real pointless stories, means this episode is my last.
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Old 08-04-2016, 20:57
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Nice stuff with Kendra and Ray this week. Didn't mind seeing Carter in flashbacks and found it funny when Ray realised that Jewel Staite's character came from his brother's timeline than his own too.
I was under the impression (with her flashbacks) that another Carter was just about to show up - and then didn't.

What I didn't get about this episode though, it was made clear from the start that if they killed the child, Savage would still rise to power, so what actual difference would it have made? Apart from the Ray/Kendra and Sara/Snart/Rory scenes, this episode was somewhat wasted.
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Old 08-04-2016, 22:12
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Probably the weakest episode for the show so far for me.

Only part I enjoyed was Mick and Leonard putting things right the bro way.
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Old 11-04-2016, 18:04
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So, I was over with a friend and her son was watching a Lego Justice League movie, and Vandal Savage was in it! So, he's like a real DC character? I actually thought he was created just for this show!

Lol, I actually watched it for a while, Batman was funny...

Cyborg - "Good luck!"

Batman - "I don't believe in luck."

Cyborg - "What do you believe in?"

Batman - "BATMAN!"

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Old 11-04-2016, 18:23
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I'm actually glad we didn't get the cheerful ending where Rip got through to the kid and he became good.

Not the best of episodes as pointed out but at least Savage was tolerable this week.

Is it just me or does anyone else find Carter creepy?

So Ray has a twin brother? I'm going to leap to the assumption that we will be seeing Sidney in Arrow at some point soon, then?

Nice seeing Jewel Staite again. She's as lovely as ever.
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Old 12-04-2016, 00:32
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Not my favourite episode and I don't think they did anything too new with the whole 'let's kill a tyrant as a child' type of dilemmas. Wait they made things worse. Good going, Rip.
See this is what makes the show for me. I absolutely love that it's turned all those heroic/legends tropes on their heads and actually each time they do try and meddle with the timeline there's some unexpected consequence they hadn't thought of first.

It's going to go to the wire with the team finally defeating Savage only in Rip's actual timeline I'm sure.

I liked how they played on the sense of family/generations in this week's episode what with Ray mistakenly thinking he'd left an unknown child behind and with both Kendra and Rip thinking of the children they'd lost and the potential evil of young Per Degaton and the whole Hitler parallels while not always paying off, still provided for a compelling story line, specially when said child was never going to not be an evul little git.

Genius artwork from Lord Mesa as well

Savage still really is a poor villain though and I think they did sadly miscast him but I liked that in this particular instance he was the devil on the shoulder rather than the main target.
Did like the Oedipus allegory though.

Loved all the various pop culture references throughout, made me chuckle lots and the final pay off between Mick and Leonard was superbly done proving that Dom Purcell and Wentworth Miller do have an amazing screen chemistry and relationship.

Plus it had Jewel Staite in it so it was onto an automatic winner and the special effects for a TV show were, once again, superb.

Can't wait for this week's episode

So, I was over with a friend and her son was watching a Lego Justice League movie, and Vandal Savage was in it! So, he's like a real DC character? I actually thought he was created just for this show!

Yes he's a real villain He's not normally involved with the Hawks though. Per Degaton's an actual DC supervillain as well as an aside.
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Old 13-04-2016, 13:48
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I've yet to see a Jonah Hex makeup that hasn't looked stupid, and this version is no acception.
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Old 13-04-2016, 14:39
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I've yet to see a Jonah Hex makeup that hasn't looked stupid, and this version is no acception.
What was wrong with the make up in the 2010 film version?
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Old 13-04-2016, 15:25
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It's how they handle the whole hole in his cheek thing. They can't get around it looking like: if only he'd just snip that teenie thread of skin (making the mouth opening bigger) it'd make eating soooo much easier.
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Old 13-04-2016, 17:02
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It's how they handle the whole hole in his cheek thing. They can't get around it looking like: if only he'd just snip that teenie thread of skin (making the mouth opening bigger) it'd make eating soooo much easier.
Personally I can't look at the one in the film it makes me feel queasy. Same with the character in 'The Cleveland Show' who has a similar condition.

This one isn't so bad as there doesn't seem to be a hole there, more bad scaring.
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Old 13-04-2016, 17:14
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It's how they handle the whole hole in his cheek thing. They can't get around it looking like: if only he'd just snip that teenie thread of skin (making the mouth opening bigger) it'd make eating soooo much easier.
You could say that about the cartoon though as well.
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Old 13-04-2016, 19:14
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Was this another leak, or an early release? Not the first time a Legends episode has found it's way out early...
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Old 13-04-2016, 20:33
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Was this another leak, or an early release? Not the first time a Legends episode has found it's way out early...
I'm confused too, the episode doesn't air until the 14th.
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Old 13-04-2016, 20:38
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Was this another leak, or an early release? Not the first time a Legends episode has found it's way out early...
It's out early, not sure why.
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Old 13-04-2016, 20:41
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Was this another leak, or an early release? Not the first time a Legends episode has found it's way out early...
The promo's out already so they could be referring to that? Although it does look like the full episode has leaked or perhaps been screened elsewhere early like it was last time when it aired in Canada.
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Old 15-04-2016, 15:10
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I loved this one. One of the best we've had and not the first time a certain actor from a time travelling show has been in the Old West, huh?

The way both Rip and Jonah Hex were written you'd swear they were former boyfriends or whatever but either way, Hex worked as a guest character and it was nice to get a bit more insight into Rip as well.

I also dug Kendra's subplot with meeting another version of herself and nice that Sara got added into the plot as well. Liked seeing Sara and Kendra interact a bit more this week.

Sara and Mick's bonding/drinking session was brilliant and I laughed at Mick being passed out during the saloon fight as well.

Hunters seemed a little easily defeated but they set the Pilgrim assassin well. Mick showed a lot of knowledge in this one.

Jax still needs more to do but I did like learning more on Stein, the HG Wells plot and Ray's general geekiness as well this week, 9/10
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Old 15-04-2016, 16:07
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Sara and Mick's bonding/drinking session was brilliant and I laughed at Mick being passed out during the saloon fight as well.

Hunters seemed a little easily defeated but they set the Pilgrim assassin well. Mick showed a lot of knowledge in this one.
Still no sure about Mick here. He turned on the team, then became a bounty hunter, intended to kill everyone, and now he's suddenly trusted again? Also, with regard from the Pilgrim Assassin, if she does indeed kill one of our Legends in their past, do they then not exist? Do they evaporate into thin air?

If they do, then by definition, Mick has just died (we saw her shoot him as a child didn't we?). If they don't, then he Pilgrim killing their younger selves off isn't actually going to make a blind bit of difference to the timeline, so why go to all the bother in the first place?
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Old 15-04-2016, 16:12
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On that.

If Rey gets killed as a kid what about all his inventions what just last week they made a big point about been a big part of (future) history surely that will have a major change in the timeline.
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Old 15-04-2016, 16:42
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Good episode, lot of fun. Well, apart from when they killed people. I know they were bad guys but still, I dunno, it just kinda troubled me for some reason.

Killing earlier versions of the team sounds "messy". I mean, tracking the killer to a specific time and place and then stopping them, I don't even know how that would be possible. Unless the ships computer can predict it somehow. Also, if a team member was "erased", would the rest of the team even notice in the first place?
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Old 15-04-2016, 16:49
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If Rey gets killed as a kid what about all his inventions what just last week they made a big point about been a big part of (future) history surely that will have a major change in the timeline.
It was [Mick] Rory (not Ray) that was sat in front of that burning house, and thus the first kid to be executed.

Killing earlier versions of the team sounds "messy". I mean, tracking the killer to a specific time and place and then stopping them, I don't even know how that would possible. Unless the ships computer can predict it somehow. Also, if a team member was "erased", would the rest of the team even notice in the first place?
This is where the writing team need to be really careful. If an event that changes in time has a direct effect on the team, then their memories should be altered to amend that, such as with Snart and his Dad; Snart tried to change his fathers fate, and did, but only to a small degree, yet Snart knew of the original turnout.

It's possible that the team now exists out of time (for lack of a better term) but if that's the case, then as I've mentioned in my previous post, what purpose is actually served by an assassin killing their younger selves? If that has no direct result on the team, then what's the point in even doing it?
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Old 15-04-2016, 16:58
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It was [Mick] Rory (not Ray) that was sat in front of that burning house, and thus the first kid to be executed.

This is where the writing team need to be really careful. If an event that changes in time has a direct effect on the team, then their memories should be altered to amend that, such as with Snart and his Dad; Snart tried to change his fathers fate, and did, but only to a small degree, yet Snart knew of the original turnout.

It's possible that the team now exists out of time (for lack of a better term) but if that's the case, then as I've mentioned in my previous post, what purpose is actually served by an assassin killing their younger selves? If that has no direct result on the team, then what's the point in even doing it?
That's true, Snart's memory was unaffected by the timeline change. Hmm, I sense a wibbily wobbily timey wimey explanation for why Pilgrims actions will affect the team.
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Old 15-04-2016, 17:00
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It was [Mick] Rory (not Ray) that was sat in front of that burning house, and thus the first kid to be executed.
Yeah I know but they said all of the team will get killed at a eariler point in their lives.

So killing Rey before he invents the Robo Suits/Atom Suit will effect the timeline.
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Old 15-04-2016, 23:52
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Yeah I know but they said all of the team will get killed at a eariler point in their lives.

So killing Rey before he invents the Robo Suits/Atom Suit will effect the timeline.
Ah, my mistake, I thought you had confused characters.

Still, I'm not convinced that changing the events of the past have specific repercussions in the future. The show writers don't seem to have set up their timeline rules all too well at the minute.
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