They have already confirmed a 4 night crossover from all 4 shows.

Well, nothing about this episode (or show in fact) made sense, though it's been a rollercoaster of a ride that I'll be returning too. I'll just switch off when season 2 comes around. Not quite sure how Snart was at that pub/bar though, cause months had passed since Rip picked up the team, and Snart was picked up with them, so how did he exist five months after he left with them?

The best thing about this show going forward is that the Hawks are not on the team. I'm glad they're gone, though I fully expect them to appear on and off throughout the shows run.

IIRC there was a very brief line about how Rip (and Ray) had taken Rory back in time to say his farewells to a pre-LOT Snart.

It showed on screen 2013 - Central City

Must have missed that..

Well I missed that part too lol
Which if that's the case why couldn't he take Sara. Back to say goodbye to laurel? Trust?

Because even saying "goodbye" to her would have gotten every single one of them killed.

...or something like that

I suffered with this till the end, but definitely won't be watching season 2

Are we sure? The only recollection I have is that Rip couldn't send in the team to assist against fighting Darhk because that would result in the entire Lance family being killed. I don't recall him saying he couldn't allow Sara to say goodbye, thus F1etch makes a good argument. I guess we'll have to put it down to further inconsistencies; another one of those things we'll need to overlook for future enjoyment of the show.


But season 2 will be better. The hawks are gone.

Maybe he's a huge Carter fan?

I understood it as rip saying if Sara went back to save laurel the timeline would change to her (Sara) and Detective Lance being killed by Dahrk. So it was Laurel dies or you and your dad dies as her choice... (Possibly Laurel too but I'd need to check the wording again)
It's all very confusing this time travel malarkey, not helped by three people not paying 100% attention

I'm on EP14 and I liked when Savage said to Rip, that he might be a Time Master, but that he was a Master of Time.

A distinction I've made before with the so called 'Time Masters'.

I can buy that, her making it worse if she'd tried a 'rescue' but I would've likes Rip to be more clear as to how ne knew that to be true.

He had already seen it happen.

If Sara had not been gone for those 5 months (ie the original timeline before Rip interfered) than the whole Lance family dies.

I could see if both Laural and Sara went Quentin saying he was going to.

"If both my Baby Girls are going in there I'm coming to"

But that means he seen the case where Sara had gone in without knowing what would happen. If now, Rip shipped her back to before the Arrow gang went in, surely the outcome would be different. For instance, Sara could simply go up to Laurel and break her arm, taking her out of the fight, saving her life. QED.

Or just tell them the outcome.

They knew Sara was time travelling so so all she would have to do is tell them what was going to happen.

Or go back a few days further and stop Andy taking the last piece of the Idol to stop Darhk getting his powers back they could hide it anywhere in time and space.

I hated the whole pointlessness of it, and the time travel rules were too inconsistent.

I enjoyed it on the whole, but I agree the time travel rules were rubbish. They clearly didn't sit down and agree on the rules before multiple writers all went off in their own way.
With a show that revolves around such a central premise and an audience of mostly comic book geeks and nerds (and proud of it) you have to get the fundamentals right.

Still it was harmless fun, I'd rate it above the current series of Arrow which has gone right down hill in my opinion.

Maybe he's had Gideon run all the possible timelines and this was the only one where multiple Lances didn't die (and there were none where no one died).

We know he tried multiple times to save his own family yet they ended up dying every single time.



Of course that may have been down to the Time Masters influencing events, maybe Rip should go and try and save his family one more time now that the Time Masters are out of the picture.

While I understand where you're coming from to a certain degree, I honestly can't say I agree. I personally thought it was a fun ride. Yeah, the rules regarding time travel were a little too fluffy, but time travel can be a messy affair anyways, so I'm willing to give the writers some leeway in that regard. I think with Legends of Tomorrow you just have to use suspension of disbelief and get into the spirit of the show. Understandably, not everyone will be able to do that. And hey, that's just fine.

The obvious method would have been to take Sara, Laurel and Quentin with him five months into the future, or maybe just take the whole of Team Arrow? Hell, maybe just kidnap Darhk and drop his sorry ass in the phantom zone?

...I guess that would have been too simple though, and not made for much of a story. That's my main concern with this show (and other shows, or episodes) and the focus on time travel; there's no consistency with any of it. I know that's kind of the idea, but continuity goes a long way, whereas this show (for all the fun it is) doesn't rely on anything like that, and instead just changes the timeline or paradox to suit it's own needs.

This is exactly how I felt. It was all visuals and absolutely nothing behind it.

Just caught up with the finale.

Now, at last we could be stepping up from what has been a fairly good and enjoyable show to a very good and cracking show. No more Savage, no more Hawks, and it's now tying in with a bigger universe with the introduction of the JSA. That's how you end a season on a high note!

I was glad we got to see Sara find out about Laurel from her father and not from some second hand info.

Loved Ray playing get away driver for Mick and being so cheerful about it. That relationship has turned out to be one of the major highlights of the season.

Got to say that Stein’s wife has to be one of the most understanding women in the world (who wears one of the worst wigs!)

Favourite scene was probably Mick & Leonard's final scene together. I was kind of hoping for a cheeky Prison Break reference when Mick left.

In the future, there is the Justice Society of America that are flying around in space/time ships. So ... screw the rest of the world?

I guess the guys at DC didn't think that through when they created the team back when.