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Even if they can't kill him he takes time to heal.
Why note just have Heatwave burn him to ash (Firestorm could to but he may hold back Heatwave would like doing it) that should take quite some time to heal from. To capture him Cold could freeze him even when Kendra had to kill him they would only have to remove the ice say around his heart. |
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Even if they can't kill him he takes time to heal.
Why note just have Heatwave burn him to ash (Firestorm could to but he may hold back Heatwave would like doing it) that should take quite some time to heal from. To capture him Cold could freeze him even when Kendra had to kill him they would only have to remove the ice say around his heart. It would of course make major changes to the timeline not least wiping Hawkman and Girl from existence as the originals would probably just have died for good in the meteor strike. |
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Mixing and splitting up the teams each week really works in this show's favour and so far is keeping the dynamics pretty fresh as well.
There's been some absolutely fabulous use of music so far, the various pairing dynamics work really well and they're mixing them up to stop it being stale and they all work really well. Sara works brilliantly with anyone, her character is an absolute gem. Ray and Prof Stein were great on the science versus emotion stuff this week and Captain Cold, Heatwave and Jax had an interesting little side adventure which demonstrated that sometimes you can't actually alter the past. I like that we got more background to Rip's own story and how he'd tried and failed to kill Vandal Savage before. I'm glad we're making another time jump though and they remembered they needed to get the dagger for Kendra to be able to end him permanently. I'm giving it an 8 out of 10. |
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If it was indeed left to Malcolm, then one must wonder if he'd have stayed dead if Malcolm hadn't collected his ashes.
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TBH I hadn't been enjoying this as much as I expected felt like there was something missing but really enjoyed ep 4ho it ends on a bit of a cliffhanger I suppose. Enjoying Cold probably the best
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Really liking this format of switching up the various groups and letting us see the different interactions with people. Jax in particular seemed to do better playing off Cold and Heatwave than he did with Stein.
And Stein himself has a great rapport with Ray. I like the way Stein continues to manipulate people's emotions without a second thought. Just adore Sara. I really liked her on Arrow but I love her here. Caity's been able to bring a lightness to her role here that she never did there, while continuing to struggle with her demons. And we got the Superman & Batman reference that was in the trailer for the show. Top stuff! |
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And we got the Superman & Batman reference that was in the trailer for the show. Top stuff!
Anyways, DC's LoT is actually pretty good. It's a lot of fun with good character interaction, nice action sequences and a wildly ambitious theme (time travelling super hero group ). Thought the blood drinking ritual was a bit too much and would prefer if they kept it more "family friendly", but that's a minor criticism. Yeah, I guess it does require some suspension of disbelief, but I find all super hero shows and movies do to an extent.
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Curious too, save them killing Savage each episode, wouldn't it just make more sense for them to capture him? Lock him away in a vault (surely that timeship has a secure area?) and then just let Kendra do her thing?
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He doesn't heal. He is reborn, or resurrected. He was killed in the Arrow/Flash crossover, but Malcolm collected some of his ashes, and thus (somehow) brought him back, even though the insinuation (with Legends) is that he'll come back by himself somehow. If it was indeed left to Malcolm, then one must wonder if he'd have stayed dead if Malcolm hadn't collected his ashes.
I'll rewatch but I'm sure when Rip stabbed him he said he would heal. |
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I can't remember who actually wielded the Staff in the end but if it was either Kendra or Carter then yep, he'd have stayed dead because it was an object associated with the three of them (from memory).
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And we got the Superman & Batman reference that was in the trailer for the show. Top stuff!
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Maybe I've been watching too much supernatural over the years but u did wonder if they could just cut off his head and put it in a box and tie up his body for food measure!
However, if his head is removed, he dies (I figure) and would be reborn like Kendra and Carter. I remain unsure just whether he's reborn, or whether he is resurrected in a more Sara-;like theme. I don't believe it has quite been established yet.If it is the latter though, then I can foresee an upcoming episode where they meet a child Savage, and can't bring themselves to kill an innocent child - even though they know how he'll turn out! Quote:
That was that time becuase he was took out by that staff.
I'll rewatch but I'm sure when Rip stabbed him he said he would heal. |
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In the episode five trailer?.
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Wasn't it stated that only Kendra can actually kill him?
I'm assuming anyone could have killed him with the Staff because it belonged to Savage himself in the past. Otherwise the owner of the object they're trying to kill him with has to do it. Or that's how I'm interpreting what they've said so far. |
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I guess that would be too simple.
However, if his head is removed, he dies (I figure) and would be reborn like Kendra and Carter. I remain unsure just whether he's reborn, or whether he is resurrected in a more Sara-;like theme. I don't believe it has quite been established yet.So, locking him up would work, but he could escape, so hence the head cutting option. Or Rip could just travel to a few seconds after Arrow/Flash killed him and pop his ashes in a box and remove him from time (I'm sure he could do that being a Master of Time or whatever!) This is the problem with over thinking these things. For the most part I just sit and enjoy it and try to blank my mind to the fact that they can time travel but don't seem to have the cognitive capacity to think through the many easy options they might have. |
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re: Kendra & Carter - iiuc when either die they are reborn - does this happen immediately. And if it is immediately, with Carter dying in 1982 (right ?!) would he be reborn then or in 2016, the year his 'original' time ?
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re: Kendra & Carter - iiuc when either die they are reborn - does this happen immediately. And if it is immediately, with Carter dying in 1982 (right ?!) would he be reborn then or in 2016, the year his 'original' time ?
It gives an average of just under 20 years per lifetime but some don't seem to have registered (within the comics), there's only about seven incarnations that they've written about. But don't take my word for it, I'm definitely not an expert on the Hawks! |
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Curious, was meant to ask this earlier but for, was episode 4 unintentionally leaked or something? I've watched it, but unless they've changed the release dates, it shoudn't be out yet. Quote:
Kendra & Carter - iiuc when either die they are reborn - does this happen immediately. And if it is immediately, with Carter dying in 1982 (right ?!) would he be reborn then or in 2016, the year his 'original' time ?
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Egyptians (of ancient mythology) existed somewhere between 2500 and 5000 years ago, in various stages and such. Vandal Savage is said to be a 4000 year old immortal, and Carter (Hawkman) stated that Savage had killed him/them 205 times (now 206 in his case).
A little bit of math doesn't quite add up correctly here though, because if Savage has been around for 4000 years, and has killed Hawkman (at least) 200 times, then by default, there would be a new incarnation of him (Hawkman) every 20 years, but that can't quite be the case, because surely Savage doesn't kill each incarnation within 20 years, each and every year since their first death? Unless at some point, he found a way to track their incarnation and from time to time, kills them as children. Either way, I suspect it's an almost instantaneous occurrence; when one incarnation dies, another is born. |
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Curious, was meant to ask this earlier but for, was episode 4 unintentionally leaked or something? I've watched it, but unless they've changed the release dates, it shoudn't be out yet.I've mentioned this in an earlier post:
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^a problem with the instantaneous birthing thing, when combined with their time machine, is whatever time point they travel to, there's gonna be versions of K+C already there. What would happen if they went to 1800, found Kendra1800, then Vandal popped up and killed both Kendras at the same time, would there then be 2 new-Kendra births?
Also if they travel to the future and meet another Carter and want to bring him onboard to complete the gang, won't the Kendra in that future time be pissed. And finally, if we ever get a Carter back on board, could a future story see Kendra get pregnant, they timetravel to a place for her to give birth and just as she's about to do so Vandal kills the other Kendra in that time, then we have our Kendra giving birth to the 'next' Kendra................. I'll stop now cos my brain hurts. Maybe the show will just avoid having them run into other versions of K+C and thus the nights are gonna be kinda lonesome for K for the rest of the show.
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it aired on the sunday something to do with the superbowl
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What would happen if they went to 1800, found Kendra1800, then Vandal popped up and killed both Kendras at the same time, would there then be 2 new-Kendra births?
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Also if they travel to the future and meet another Carter and want to bring him onboard to complete the gang, won't the Kendra in that future time be pissed.
I'm expecting (if this is to be an occurrence) that the respective Kendra's would end up merging or something odd. This is the fully thing about time travel at the best of times, through continual reincarnation into the mix, and yeah, it's a cluster****. |
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Curious, was meant to ask this earlier but for, was episode 4 unintentionally leaked or something? I've watched it, but unless they've changed the release dates, it shoudn't be out yet.I've mentioned this in an earlier post:
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^a problem with the instantaneous birthing thing, when combined with their time machine, is whatever time point they travel to, there's gonna be versions of K+C already there.
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Good episode but not as good as previous ones.
I enjoyed the scenes with Cold and Ray the most and Valentina is a bit more interesting than Savage is and I did not miss seeing him this week. Training scenes with Sara and Kendra were great in this episode and it was nice to have the two of them finally interact. Some good scenes with Stein/Jackson and Rip/Heatwave this week. Hope the next part is better though, 7/10 |
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^them meeting up with the 2030ish Carter does sound like the simplest thing 'storywise' to do, yup. Time travel shouldn't be so darn complicated.
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Good episode but not as good as previous ones.
I enjoyed the scenes with Cold and Ray the most and Valentina is a bit more interesting than Savage is and I did not miss seeing him this week. Training scenes with Sara and Kendra were great in this episode and it was nice to have the two of them finally interact. Some good scenes with Stein/Jackson and Rip/Heatwave this week. Hope the next part is better though, 7/10 But, I do like the slow burn of the narrative arc season wise which is all building up and up towards what we hope is going to be the take down of Savage so we get these little mini interludes with the various team dynamics mixed up each week. I like that they have mixed up the pairings as well and we're not seeing the same guys out together all the time, although the villain and Ray does seem to be the most common and it works really well. Ray's everything Snart could have been with a different upbringing and the right focus on his technical abilities. One of the reviews did mention, and I now only just realised it, but we didn't have a soundtrack along tonight to one of the action sequences which is a shame as they've been absolutely brilliant. Dance of the Sugar Plum Fairy would have been perfect during the Russian lab heist! Or something while Kendra and Sara were sparring. There was plenty to choose from in the 80s! Nice comic book nods with the Russians though, Valentina Vostok and apparently the Russian Colonel or whatever he was who helped capture them all, is called Mikhail Arkadin ![]() I'm also liking that, so far, everything they've done has actually helped Savage instead of hindering him. I think it's a deliberate play by the show along the lines of the fact they're not Legends, they were forgotten and didn't affect the timeline much at all. We're seeing them unintentionally aid Savage's march towards conquering the world in the future because when we get the big pay off and they finally defeat him, it will be all the more sweeter. So, while it wasn't the best episode, I still thoroughly enjoyed it and it's getting a 7 out of 10. |
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meh to the episode however the banter was bloody brilliant, cold and his puns, and ray coming away with his line "i always wanted to be a spy* which was a nod to chuck.
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Enjoyable episode! I liked Stein and Jefferson's development in this episode. It's understandable that Jefferson would still be undecided/untrusting of Stein's ideas when they merge, but I think that after this episode, they'll be a pretty good team.
Mick was great this episode! |
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). Thought the blood drinking ritual was a bit too much and would prefer if they kept it more "family friendly", but that's a minor criticism. Yeah, I guess it does require some suspension of disbelief, but I find all super hero shows and movies do to an extent.
However, if his head is removed, he dies (I figure) and would be reborn like Kendra and Carter. I remain unsure just whether he's reborn, or whether he is resurrected in a more Sara-;like theme. I don't believe it has quite been established yet.
