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Old 26-02-2016, 21:24
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Joseph David-Jones totally nailed it as Connor Hawke and I loved the reveal of him being Diggle's son, he carried off the influence of his father brilliantly, he really was a Diggle Junior. I hope that wasn't the last we ever see of him!

Although, interestingly in an interview on EW, David-Jones says

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Poor Ollie, all alone in the bottom of Smoak Tower with a shell of the Arrow Cave but no-one else to share it with and there was something rather poetic about it being Sara who brought back his bow and suit. Very The Dark Knight Returns/Batman Beyond feelings from all that and his missing arm, although they failed to give us the right beard!

Mini Deathstroke was lousy though, sorry but the casting was seriously off for that one. Grant Wilson had none of the menace of his father.

But, speaking of menaces, brilliant episode for Dominic Purcell, who got to give us a Mick Rory at his most simple - smashing shit up, drinking and watching the city burn - and I like that they didn't have him simply stepping back into Snart's shadow after he'd knocked him out and physically removed him from the gang.

Of all the "legends" on the show, Leonard Snart is, for me, having the most interesting journey. He's never been a one note villain so to see him beginning to question just what he wants from life and his role in it has been absolutely fascinating so far and Wentworth Miller could read a phone book and captivate the audience so I'm loving his focus.

I liked the mix up in dynamics again with Ray and Kendra working together and the bumbling efforts of Stein on Jax's behalf just putting a spanner in the works but I was glad Kendra shot down any romance. I think this show is benefiting atm from there not being any romantic entanglements apart from Kendra/Carter's "epic" love story.
Although, having said that, I do keep getting tingly vibes from the interactions between Rip and Sara.

I also liked that they moved away from the "let's get Vandal Savage" to run a story line looking at potential futures if they don't return to their own timelines at the point they left back in 2016.
As the way time works in this show is so all over the place, I like that they could have multiple different options for the future all dependent on a myriad of different things happening or not happening.

Still missing the epic use of music they've had in earlier episodes so I'm giving it a 7.5.

Firestorm was too cool for showy flying... he just wanted to strut.

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You don't need to spoiler things that have been shown in an episode, this is a US Pace thread
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Old 26-02-2016, 23:01
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Although, interestingly in an interview on EW, David-Jones says

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That's interesting and it would tie-in nicely with a rumor that's been floating for either later Season(s), maybe...

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http://tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/dc...s-change-cast/

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Old 26-02-2016, 23:06
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That's interesting and it would tie-in nicely with a rumor that's been floating for either later Season(s), maybe...

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Vixen has already been mentioned by the makers for season 2.

At this point she is unlikey to get a live action series but they do want to use her.
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Old 26-02-2016, 23:21
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Thought we might have seen the next incarnation of Hawkman in this episode as 2046 would have been about the right time (re the actors age) to get him back again if he was reincarnated in 2016.
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Old 27-02-2016, 13:40
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You don't need to spoiler things that have been shown in an episode, this is a US Pace thread
Yeah, I was thinking that, but because the thread title mentions "spoilers tagged" I thought I'd play it safe. I thought maybe some people click on a thread before watching the show just to see if people thought it was good maybe? But I guess it was referring to production news on future episodes and what happens to the characters in the comic books?
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Old 27-02-2016, 13:50
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But I guess it was referring to production news on future episodes and what happens to the characters in the comic books?
Pretty much yup Anything that's from a promo, or news article or spoilers about what's coming up next.
But always better to be safe than sorry.
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Old 27-02-2016, 15:55
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re; cycling the team

I think it's a given really, though it really does depend upon whether the entire show is to deal with Vandal Savage, or whether he's merely the big bad for Season 1. Commonly, with all these shows, there's a bad guy per season.

With Arrow we had Malcolm Merlyn in Season 1, Slade 'Deathstroke' Wilson in Season 2, Ra's al Ghul in Season 3, and Damien Darkh for Season 4. Flash had Reverse Flash in Season 1, and Zoom in Season 2 (though I suppose he's just another Reverse Flash); it'll be interesting to see the big bad for Flash's Season 3, can they really risk doing another evil speedster?

But yeah, anyway, if Savage is continuing into Season 2 (and beyond) then Hawkman & Hawkgirl should be centerpiece. However out of all the characters thus far, I've found the Hawks to be the least entertaining. One is dead, and the other just lacks character development; I'm not entirely sold on the actress either, so if they kill Savage by the end of Season 1, the Hawks can go making way for two other heroes.

Snart & Rory (more specifically, Wentworth Miller & Dominic Purcell) are suppose to be doing their new prison break series soon, so depending how that pans out, that's another two characters they've potentially substituted (though I hope these guys don't get wrote off completely, they're some of the better characters, for reasons already stated).

Connor Hawke would be a good candidate, but there's a continuity issue here. If the team pluck Connor Hawk from that timeline, then go back in time, change the past, what happens to Connor? He never gets to go 'home'. Would he phase out of existence?

There are loads of candidates for a second series, though Nightwing (someone mentioned him above?) I can't see. I've read some rumours that he'll be appearing (small role) in the Justice League film, and if he's in that, DC aren't going to let his character be in a tv show.
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Old 27-02-2016, 18:47
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Connor Hawke would be a good candidate, but there's a continuity issue here. If the team pluck Connor Hawk from that timeline, then go back in time, change the past, what happens to Connor? He never gets to go 'home'. Would he phase out of existence?
It depends I guess on just when he was born as to whether he'd be Connor Hawke or John Diggle Junior but he could still be a Green Arrow. It's more whether they'd have another Green Arrow who wasn't on Arrow.
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Old 27-02-2016, 18:56
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It depends I guess on just when he was born as to whether he'd be Connor Hawke or John Diggle Junior but he could still be a Green Arrow. It's more whether they'd have another Green Arrow who wasn't on Arrow.
If they went that route with him, I doubt they'd need to use his Green Arrow alias. Just name him something else; they've done that with White Canary. They have creative license somewhat.
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Old 28-02-2016, 00:19
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Nice review and intering thoughts from Screen Rant

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Old 28-02-2016, 16:51
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Thought we might have seen the next incarnation of Hawkman in this episode as 2046 would have been about the right time (re the actors age) to get him back again if he was reincarnated in 2016.
Ever since Carter was killed, I think the show (via the characters) has given the impression that he was *dead* for good. Not one person has said anything about him being reincarnated again.

And in this week's episode, Kendra actually specifically said (IIRC) "Carter's gone forever".

It's as if she and the others have all completely forgotten that *the* whole thing with her and Carter is that they die, get reborn, die, get reborn, die, get reborn...


I don't understand it, as it goes against what we have specifically been told in this and in the Flash/Arrow crossover that set it up.
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Old 28-02-2016, 21:47
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Ever since Carter was killed, I think the show (via the characters) has given the impression that he was *dead* for good. Not one person has said anything about him being reincarnated again.

And in this week's episode, Kendra actually specifically said (IIRC) "Carter's gone forever".

It's as if she and the others have all completely forgotten that *the* whole thing with her and Carter is that they die, get reborn, die, get reborn, die, get reborn...


I don't understand it, as it goes against what we have specifically been told in this and in the Flash/Arrow crossover that set it up.

Carter has gone forever whoever is his next incarnation won't be Carter.

I guess each one has slight diffrences and personality.

Plus I don't think the reincarnation kicks in until both are dead
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Old 28-02-2016, 22:02
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Ever since Carter was killed, I think the show (via the characters) has given the impression that he was *dead* for good. Not one person has said anything about him being reincarnated again.
He was still mentioned as being her eternal soulmate in the latest episode.

I do think they will meet a different incarnation of Hawkman at some point (possibly one whose verion of Hawkgirl has died).


Plus I don't think the reincarnation kicks in until both are dead
Yeah that could well be the case.

It would make sense as otherwise they could die years apart (though somewhat unlikely if they are together and Savage tracks them down) and thus be years apart in age if they reincarnate soon after they die.
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Old 29-02-2016, 10:56
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Plus I don't think the reincarnation kicks in until both are dead
It would make sense as otherwise they could die years apart (though somewhat unlikely if they are together and Savage tracks them down) and thus be years apart in age if they reincarnate soon after they die.
This might be the saving grace of the Hawks; if Hawkgirl dies, and then Rip picks up the next incarnations of the characters, but instead of being newbies, they're actually full on warriors and ready to kick ass.
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Old 29-02-2016, 11:59
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That was such a great episode. Connor Hawke was amazing. I sure hope we get to see more of him in the future.

Oliver looked like a total badass with the goatee. I have to admit though, they did go a bit overboard with his face makeup. His face looked a bit rubbery at times.
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Old 29-02-2016, 14:08
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It's as if she and the others have all completely forgotten that *the* whole thing with her and Carter is that they die, get reborn, die, get reborn, die, get reborn...


I don't understand it, as it goes against what we have specifically been told in this and in the Flash/Arrow crossover that set it up.
He won't be Carter Hall though, That version is now dead. He will be reborn with all the memories etc but he'll be someone else with a different name (although he's obviously going to look the same as the same actor is playing the other version).

In the comics, he's already been:

Brian Kent (also known as the Silent Knight), alive during 5th-century Britain, love of Lady Celia Penbrook;
Koenrad Von Grimm, the son of a blacksmith in 14th-century Germany;
Captain John Smith of the 16th-century Colony of Virginia;
Hannibal Hawkes, the Nighthawk, a gunfighter in the American Old West, love of Cinnamon;
Detective James Wright, a Pinkerton detective in the early 20th century, love of Sheila Carr.
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Old 29-02-2016, 19:15
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I'm finding that the less Savage we have the more I enjoy an episode.

This was a good romp. Loved Connor, especially him being Diggles son, that was a nice touch. Loved old Ollie and his Neptune look, and the tension between Leonard and Mick, that's an interesting turn of events.

Glad to see the love triangle ended quickly, and there was no angst. I enjoyed Stein's "Oh crap" realisation after Ray let it be known he's interested in Kendra, and Ray and Jefferson joking after she turned down Ray.

The only downer - mentioned many times already - Deathstroke Jnr. Awful. The actor was terrible and had all the menace of a radish. But I won't let one minor issue ruin what was all in all another very enjoyable episode.
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Old 04-03-2016, 03:10
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Episode this week had me grinning like mad - it was just so, so good.

The only thing I didn't really like about it was they had to make Ray x Kendra an actual thing, but other than that there was Stein saving the day, Rip getting a full-on emotional backstory, Ray risking his life to save Sarah and Cold and then the awesome fight between Sarah, Cold and Rory at the end. Such good TV, definitely made up for lack of Flash this week.
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Old 04-03-2016, 13:20
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I agree most engaging episode so far for me. I could do without the Ray & Kendra stuff, but that's my only criticism. Oh and maybe Stein being able to take out that pirate...but I found that amusing and tongue in cheek, so I'll let it slide.

Do we really believe that Cold killed Rory at the end (why did they have to have a character called Rory in the same show as Arthur Darvill?! It confuses me!) surely the rest of the team wouldn't have let him take him out to kill him, they must have agreed on a time and place to leave him. I'm assuming Cold is just temporarily freezing his feet to the spot so he can walk away and leave him.
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Old 04-03-2016, 14:15
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As long as we don't get the Firestorm-Kid glaring daggers at the couple from a distance then I'm fine with the new coupling, especially because Ray is such a decent guy. And I agree with the no-kill thing at the end of the ep, though he might've been shooting at some baddy trying to sneak up behind MrHot.
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Old 04-03-2016, 14:57
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The bottle episode but a great one though.

I liked the flashbacks with Rip/Miranda/Time Masters stuff. Nice enough look into their relationship and it was nice to see it tie in with the Baxter/Time Pirates main story as well.

I was a little shocked that Mick betrayed the crew but I don't think Leonard actually killed him. Just maybe put him on ice for a bit. We would've seen the death, right?

I could easily get behind a Sara/Cold pairing and even Ray/Kendra were quite sweet in this episode as well. A good one for shippers of both this week.

Jax didn't do much but I did love his snarking at Stein. Nice to see them more as a team nowadays, 8/10
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Old 04-03-2016, 16:27
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all that was missing from last nights show was parker posey
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Old 04-03-2016, 17:36
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Good episode.

I'd have thought given it can travel into space the Waverider would have had actual spacesuits on board though.

Maybe they just didn't look in the cupboard



So not all computers in the future are called Gideon.




I agree that Cold hasn't killed Mick, just froze him enough to keep him still while Cold leaves.


As to where he's left him. It could be 2046 again but given that's a future they hope will never happen leaving him there could well be a death sentence anyway once that future ceases to exist.


If Mick is off the team for good which does look like the case I could see him teaming up with Savage at some point in the future to get his revenge.
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Old 04-03-2016, 19:20
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With regard to Ray & Kendra, this obviously opens up for a love triangle once Carter (or his newest carnation) turns up, which no doubt will happen. So there's that. With regard to Rip Hunter, this mission of his has seemingly now gone from change the timeline and save the timeline, to change the timeline just so we can all save my doomed family. How righteous of him.

Do we really believe that Cold killed Rory at the end (why did they have to have a character called Rory in the same show as Arthur Darvill?! It confuses me!) surely the rest of the team wouldn't have let him take him out to kill him, they must have agreed on a time and place to leave him. I'm assuming Cold is just temporarily freezing his feet to the spot so he can walk away and leave him.
was a little shocked that Mick betrayed the crew but I don't think Leonard actually killed him. Just maybe put him on ice for a bit. We would've seen the death, right?
No way is he dead. Likely, as speculated, just iced to the ground, either so that Snart could talk sense into him, or another reason.

I'd have thought given it can travel into space the Waverider would have had actual spacesuits on board though.
Well the time ship was stolen, so there's a fair chance it wasn't fully equipped when Rip stole it.

If Mick is off the team for good which does look like the case I could see him teaming up with Savage at some point in the future to get his revenge.
That would be an interesting turn of events.

Although, I am slightly disappointed by his actions. He seemed to be bonding with Ray for starters, and then to have him turn 360? Will be a little odd having only Snart and no Rory though...
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Old 04-03-2016, 20:43
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Reckon Mick is just either Frozen till they are done or Frozen on spot in 2016 till Snart calls Flash to collect him and lock himaway for the time being. Doubt he is dead.

Liked how Rips wife gave up being a time lord just to be with him and it kind of parraleling with Snart, finding love and giving up Mick to be a good guy/be with Sara.

As far as not all computers being called Gideon, I took it that this Gideon was the same Gideon that Eobard was using. Would make sense considering that he was from 2150 and Rips "present time" is 2166. Would make sense that the Gideon used by Eobard goes from a talking head to be used as an AI used to fly ships a decade later.
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