http://www.bbspy.co.uk/bb16/news/050...rguments-drama

What on earth are they doing? !

I thought I did quite well to make it halfway through BB15 last year. (Sounds like anyone who made it through to the bitter end deserves a medal).

I'm now wondering if I'll even make it a quarter of the way through BB16. Tuesday can't come quick enough so I can be put out of my misery one way or another.

"A twist designed to cause arguments"

Why the fudge can't they just, for once, let nature take its' course?
I don't want a nicey nice happy house 24/7 but when the daily bitching, bickering, arguing is non stop as it was last series (and CBB) it's too draining to watch and there is just no enjoyment to be gained

I agree I find 24/7 arguing boring I found BB4 better than the last few years just because argmunts happened to much not one ep went by without it just being about who was arguing and it was every one of them

BB has been destroyed beyond all recognition. It's only 'Big Brother' by name only now. These endless 'twists' and stunts have killed it.

I feel drained already and the best part of the show is going to be taken up by those ridiculous 'Warning' messages from the equally ridiculous Marcus ..

They are only going to learn when the viewing figures go through the floor - unless that's what they are aiming for.

They probably won't though - or they'll likely stay consistent for as long as other naff reality TV remains 'relevant'/on air/the trend. They're not catering for the old Big Brother (for want of a better word, 'pureist') audience anymore; they're catering for those who watch tripe like TOWIE, Essex, etc., sadly.

BB, as it was from about BB1-BB5/6/7 is long-since dead now.

It's like the producers are frustrated soap writers, every day filled with doom & gloom. I no longer watch soaps (haven't for a long long time) but they've turned BB into a soap.

Just let the HM's integrate with each other naturally, stop engineering arguments constantly! It doesn't make for enjoyable viewing.

I agree, although separating them into groups from the start could backfire, it's hard to bitch about somebody you don't even know (in another group for example) and haven't spent time with.

I would so have loved a back to basics series, let the drama (or not) unfold naturally.

I agree they shouldn't be trying to engineer drama constantly, although most series of BB I can remember have done this at some point.

However, I do think the audience would reject a "back to basics" series with no twists or attempts to things differently and we are kidding ourselves slightly if we think that would cut it these days.

I hope it does backfire but I only wish I could share your enthusiasm. Even though not separated last year it didn't stop Pauline, Tamara, Helen casting immediate judgement and jumping straight in with their knives. Chris got it from his VT alone, Jale had barely set foot through the door before rolleyes-gate kicked off.

If this fiasco is designed to cause conflict from the off, I can only imagine the producers will provide the opportunity to ask and air each groups thoughts on each other.

It doesn't help either when the producers are showing another group what is being said about them.

Like every other day singling out Helen showing her what was said about her but seldom the other way round

I expect this will be their plan this year to pit each side off against each other to get things going from the start

Unfortunate they always go down this route every series these days

Why not just give them something to do which they can have fun with instead of pitting them against each other from the off

But of course most of the casual viewers only love the arguments and drama nowadays and see them getting along is considered 'dull and boring'

I'm not against the odd argument if it happens naturally but if it's heading towards a manufactured argument every day like last year, the series will suffer

And not to mention how bad it's going to get out there when we are off and running from Tuesday, so let's make the most of the peace and quiet before the brand new troublemakers inevitably start piling in

BB love to s**t stir, right from the start, i live in hope that one day they will realise the error of their ways but i know i'll be waiting a long time!

I agree up to a point, but I find it strange to stop at 7, and to see BBs 5, 6 and 7 as continuous with BBs 1 to 4. I'd say 5, 6 and 7 are more like the later C4 series than they are like the earlier ones.

Also, although I agree about the audience they're aiming for, an old-style BB with good housemates could seem a refreshing change compared to the other shows that are around today.

The fatal problem is that it would be a risk, because it can't be known in advance what sort of audience it would get, and I think fear of "another bb4" would stop them from taking the chance.



In a way, though, the lack of story-shaping twists and tasks, and of artificially created "drama", could be intriguing. Viewers could be thinking "what will happen?" and be watching to find out.

I think a naturally unfolding BB could work. I just don't think C5 or Endemol would accept the risk.

There's also the problem of finding good HMs for such a series, or even convincing them to apply.

Agree with both sides. IMO in general the newer generation watching would reject the basics feeling BUT then older fans reject the OTT twists. They need to find a middle ground. BB13 was the closest on Ch5 being relativey normal (bar the Connor fiasco, the rant and White room), but apart from that, it didn'thhave too much meddling. BB14 had a bit more meddling but is generally seen as the best on Ch5 out of the regulars. Don't get me started on BB15...

CBB has been better in terms of meddling. Maybe because its shorter. For me CBB9 and CBB13 were classics, and in a lot of places, CBB15 too.

Ch5 need to sort out civ BB. CBB still has strong legs.

I don't think it's just a question of old fans vs new, though. An old-style BB with good housemates could attract different new viewers, or might even appeal to many of the current ones -- perhaps even because it would be more different from other shows.