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Old 17-09-2016, 17:49
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I've been watching Ste/Amy/Terry/Pauline scenes. Really hard to watch. I can't imagine current Hollyoaks doing anything that feels so immediate and real, because the show and the characters no longer look real. The characters look as if they're from a reality show these days - the kind of TOWIE/Geordie Shore reality show that Lime makes - and it's impossible to imagine them depicting a teenage parenthood story with anything like the realism of Amy and Ste's lifestyle. You can't do it in the context of a show that hires Linda Grey because Joan Collins turned them down, and where everyone (from school children to drug addicts) inexplicably has gym bodies, permanent tans and perfect teeth.

In a way it's unfair to compare now with then because the show's aspirations are completely different. It's just interesting to see how much it's changed.
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Old 17-09-2016, 17:59
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I've been watching Ste/Amy/Terry/Pauline scenes. Really hard to watch. I can't imagine current Hollyoaks doing anything that feels so immediate and real, because the show and the characters no longer look real. The characters look as if they're from a reality show these days - the kind of TOWIE/Geordie Shore reality show that Lime makes - and it's impossible to imagine them depicting a teenage parenthood story with anything like the realism of Amy and Ste's lifestyle. You can't do it in the context of a show that hires Linda Grey because Joan Collins turned them down, and where everyone (from school children to drug addicts) inexplicably has gym bodies, permanent tans and perfect teeth.

In a way it's unfair to compare now with then because the show's aspirations are completely different. It's just interesting to see how much it's changed.



Also Karen's not on it. It's a bit of a random list.
BIB - This is something I have become increasingly aware of, and exasperated by, not just in Hollyoaks but in all the soaps, to a greater or lesser degree.

In any street/square/village there would be a fair number of overweight/obese people, but there are very few in any of the soaps. Everyone has Ross-Geller-white teeth. That may be normal for actors and other TV people, but for people in a working-class environment in the north of England, for example, it just isn't.

None of the other characters ever notice if someone has a boob job/nose job/whatever.

And people who don't even have jobs (eg McQueens) always have loads of fashionable clothes, shoes, hairdos, etc.
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Old 17-09-2016, 19:04
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BIB - This is something I have become increasingly aware of, and exasperated by, not just in Hollyoaks but in all the soaps, to a greater or lesser degree.

In any street/square/village there would be a fair number of overweight/obese people, but there are very few in any of the soaps. Everyone has Ross-Geller-white teeth. That may be normal for actors and other TV people, but for people in a working-class environment in the north of England, for example, it just isn't.

None of the other characters ever notice if someone has a boob job/nose job/whatever.

And people who don't even have jobs (eg McQueens) always have loads of fashionable clothes, shoes, hairdos, etc.
Yes, it's one thing if it's a character who would believably go to the gym a lot (even if it's not shown on screen) or has the time, money and the kind of personality that would want to maintain their look in a certain way, but those things don't apply to most characters.

In Emmerdale there's a teenage boy (Lachlan. I think he's meant to be 16 or 17 now) whose actor has transformed his body from a believable one for a boy with Lachlan's personality and lifestyle, into an obvious gym-freak, with no mention ever on screen of how this came about. He would never be cast in that part if it was being cast now because it doesn't physically fit him. Emmerdale is kind of stuck though (while he's still in the show) as he's there now, whereas Hollyoaks casts men like that knowingly to play teenagers (H*rry, Zack(sp?) and probably others.)

I remember something years ago about Kieron and Peej being told to ease off on the fake tan. I can't imagine that would be an issue for the show these days.
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Old 17-09-2016, 19:34
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Yes, it's one thing if it's a character who would believably go to the gym a lot (even if it's not shown on screen) or has the time, money and the kind of personality that would want to maintain their look in a certain way, but those things don't apply to most characters.

In Emmerdale there's a teenage boy (Lachlan. I think he's meant to be 16 or 17 now) whose actor has transformed his body from a believable one for a boy with Lachlan's personality and lifestyle, into an obvious gym-freak, with no mention ever on screen of how this came about. He would never be cast in that part if it was being cast now because it doesn't physically fit him. Emmerdale is kind of stuck though (while he's still in the show) as he's there now, whereas Hollyoaks casts men like that knowingly to play teenagers (H*rry, Zack(sp?) and probably others.)

I remember something years ago about Kieron and Peej being told to ease off on the fake tan. I can't imagine that would be an issue for the show these days.
Yes, Lachlan is an excellent example of what you're talking about. Physically, he looks completely different now, and it's just not believable at all. He looks too grown-up now for the age he is meant to be, and to be hanging about with schoolgirls Gabby and Liv.
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Old 17-09-2016, 21:18
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I've been watching Ste/Amy/Terry/Pauline scenes. Really hard to watch. I can't imagine current Hollyoaks doing anything that feels so immediate and real, because the show and the characters no longer look real. The characters look as if they're from a reality show these days - the kind of TOWIE/Geordie Shore reality show that Lime makes - and it's impossible to imagine them depicting a teenage parenthood story with anything like the realism of Amy and Ste's lifestyle. You can't do it in the context of a show that hires Linda Grey because Joan Collins turned them down, and where everyone (from school children to drug addicts) inexplicably has gym bodies, permanent tans and perfect teeth.

In a way it's unfair to compare now with then because the show's aspirations are completely different. It's just interesting to see how much it's changed.
I like to think you're doing this for After Today research purposes

The show used to be known for hiring looks over talent, but yet I do feel like the characters were more "real" back then. And I'm really sick of the issue storylines now, whereas Hollyoaks used to tackle them brilliantly. Barely a day goes by when they're not working with a new charity, and it all seems like something they're ticking off a list rather than putting their heart and soul into.

The Ste/Amy/Terry/Pauline storyline was fantastic, and it almost felt too real. I could barely watch when Pauline used to be vile to Ste, or when Ste would take the pain from his past out on Amy

None of the other characters ever notice if someone has a boob job/nose job/whatever.
That reminds me of when Carmel had a boob job and it practically became a plot point it was talked about so much! I can't remember if it was actually because Gemma Merna had one though, or if it was just for the character.

I remember something years ago about Kieron and Peej being told to ease off on the fake tan. I can't imagine that would be an issue for the show these days.
Case in point: Ste's curly hair. Are we meant to believe that Steven Hay went to the hairdressers and requested a perm?
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Old 17-09-2016, 22:18
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I like to think you're doing this for After Today research purposes

The show used to be known for hiring looks over talent, but yet I do feel like the characters were more "real" back then. And I'm really sick of the issue storylines now, whereas Hollyoaks used to tackle them brilliantly. Barely a day goes by when they're not working with a new charity, and it all seems like something they're ticking off a list rather than putting their heart and soul into.

The Ste/Amy/Terry/Pauline storyline was fantastic, and it almost felt too real. I could barely watch when Pauline used to be vile to Ste, or when Ste would take the pain from his past out on Amy




That reminds me of when Carmel had a boob job and it practically became a plot point it was talked about so much! I can't remember if it was actually because Gemma Merna had one though, or if it was just for the character.



Case in point: Ste's curly hair. Are we meant to believe that Steven Hay went to the hairdressers and requested a perm?
Every new issue story gets positive publicity, with the actors involved getting interviewed and being able to talk the show up. However sincere the actors are (and I'm sure they are genuine about talking to people for background and so on) the cumulative effect dilutes the impact.

BIB1 It was beautifully shown in the clips I watched today, how Ste internalised the things Pauline said to him and then turned his self-hatred outwards against Amy. The stuff with the doll's house is incredibly painful to watch.

BIB2 And kept going to the hairdressers and gym throughout his crystal meth addiction.
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Old 17-09-2016, 22:40
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Every new issue story gets positive publicity, with the actors involved getting interviewed and being able to talk the show up. However sincere the actors are (and I'm sure they are genuine about talking to people for background and so on) the cumulative effect dilutes the impact.

BIB1 It was beautifully shown in the clips I watched today, how Ste internalised the things Pauline said to him and then turned his self-hatred outwards against Amy. The stuff with the doll's house is incredibly painful to watch.

BIB2 And kept going to the hairdressers and gym throughout his crystal meth addiction.
I really liked Ste back in the early days, when he was a toerag and being horrible to Amy. I still think the hair-cutting episode was one of the most shocking scenes I've ever seen in Hollyoaks or any soap. I mean that in a good way - it was a very powerful scene.

BIB - And kept up the tan. I mean, all that's basic stuff. Any director, or indeed anyone, with half a brain would know that's not how an addict should look.
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Old 17-09-2016, 22:48
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Every new issue story gets positive publicity, with the actors involved getting interviewed and being able to talk the show up. However sincere the actors are (and I'm sure they are genuine about talking to people for background and so on) the cumulative effect dilutes the impact.

BIB1 It was beautifully shown in the clips I watched today, how Ste internalised the things Pauline said to him and then turned his self-hatred outwards against Amy. The stuff with the doll's house is incredibly painful to watch.

BIB2 And kept going to the hairdressers and gym throughout his crystal meth addiction.
The best issue led storylines were the ones that made complete sense for the character - Brendan/Seamus, Hannah's anorexia, Ste abusing Amy. Whereas often nowadays it feels like they just choose any random character and hope that it'll fit.

It's so heartbreaking Ashley said something in her DS interview about how pleased she was that Hollyoaks showed Ste's POV so much, and I completely agree. It's one of the many ways that Ste and Brendan's stories parallel, with how they were both never just villains.

Don't even get me started on the gym thing...
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Old 17-09-2016, 23:20
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The best issue led storylines were the ones that made complete sense for the character - Brendan/Seamus, Hannah's anorexia, Ste abusing Amy. Whereas often nowadays it feels like they just choose any random character and hope that it'll fit.

It's so heartbreaking Ashley said something in her DS interview about how pleased she was that Hollyoaks showed Ste's POV so much, and I completely agree. It's one of the many ways that Ste and Brendan's stories parallel, with how they were both never just villains.

Don't even get me started on the gym thing...
BIB - You mean Ste? I agree. Ste always had his own look, and it had nothing to do with muscles. I don't see why everyone has to look the same.
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Old 17-09-2016, 23:37
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BIB - You mean Ste? I agree. Ste always had his own look, and it had nothing to do with muscles. I don't see why everyone has to look the same.
Ste/Kieron and the general pressure on the cast. It seems like they all get a personal trainer the second they're hired. Maybe it was always like that and we didn't know because twitter didn't exist before, but it's still sad.
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Old 17-09-2016, 23:42
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Ste/Kieron and the general pressure on the cast. It seems like they all get a personal trainer the second they're hired. Maybe it was always like that and we didn't know because twitter didn't exist before, but it's still sad.
Sad and daft. Why can't they understand that there are different ways to be attractive? Not everyone is attracted to the same type of looks - and that's a good thing. Diversity is good.
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Old 17-09-2016, 23:48
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Sad and daft. Why can't they understand that there are different ways to be attractive? Not everyone is attracted to the same type of looks - and that's a good thing. Diversity is good.
Exactly! And with such a young audience it's even more important to show that.
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Old 18-09-2016, 00:08
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Exactly! And with such a young audience it's even more important to show that.
Yes. That is an important message to get across to young viewers.
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Old 18-09-2016, 11:35
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I'm not sure how to compare all of this to a show like Neighbours. I think I've mentioned it before as an example. The majority of the cast are very physically fit (and there is way too much gratuitous shirtlessness) but at the same time it is set in Australia and nearly everyone has a swimming pool/goes to the gym/works out. Plus you actually see those types of characters exercising reguarly, it's a part of their character.

Saying that there are plenty of characters who don't do all of that and often they're the most engaging and likeable ones. Just goes to show.

In other news I'm sad Kieron and Carl aren't having much luck with IVF.
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Old 18-09-2016, 12:41
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I'm not sure how to compare all of this to a show like Neighbours. I think I've mentioned it before as an example. The majority of the cast are very physically fit (and there is way too much gratuitous shirtlessness) but at the same time it is set in Australia and nearly everyone has a swimming pool/goes to the gym/works out. Plus you actually see those types of characters exercising reguarly, it's a part of their character.

Saying that there are plenty of characters who don't do all of that and often they're the most engaging and likeable ones. Just goes to show.

In other news I'm sad Kieron and Carl aren't having much luck with IVF.
Neighbours characters tend to look a lot more 'normal', and as you say, the ones who look as if they work out are shown to do it, so it's believable. Also the people who take their tops off are adults not teenagers...

BIB I hope it works out for them soon. It must be very stressful (and expensive)
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Old 18-09-2016, 15:02
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Neighbours characters tend to look a lot more 'normal', and as you say, the ones who look as if they work out are shown to do it, so it's believable. Also the people who take their tops off are adults not teenagers...

BIB I hope it works out for them soon. It must be very stressful (and expensive)
Yes that's true. It doesn't make sense to go topless in this country with our weather.

Yes very. I think it's nice they're staying with the same surrogate as well.
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Old 18-09-2016, 16:55
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In other news I'm sad Kieron and Carl aren't having much luck with IVF.
Yes, poor Kieron I hope they're successful soon. Imagine him with a baybeh He'd be such a lovely dad.
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Old 18-09-2016, 16:57
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Yes, poor Kieron I hope they're successful soon. Imagine him with a baybeh He'd be such a lovely dad.
Awww.
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Old 18-09-2016, 17:02
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Imagine him cooing over the baybeh, Ayla
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Old 18-09-2016, 17:19
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Imagine him cooing over the baybeh, Ayla
You know i'll probably collapse if he ever post a sonogram image.
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Old 18-09-2016, 17:35
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You know i'll probably collapse if he ever post a sonogram image.
For me it'll be if he posts a picture of him holding his lil' cutie pie
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Old 18-09-2016, 19:20
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I'm not sure how to compare all of this to a show like Neighbours. I think I've mentioned it before as an example. The majority of the cast are very physically fit (and there is way too much gratuitous shirtlessness) but at the same time it is set in Australia and nearly everyone has a swimming pool/goes to the gym/works out. Plus you actually see those types of characters exercising reguarly, it's a part of their character.

Saying that there are plenty of characters who don't do all of that and often they're the most engaging and likeable ones. Just goes to show.

In other news I'm sad Kieron and Carl aren't having much luck with IVF.
I've also noticed that most American shows have their teenagers/young adults looking very mature and extremely glamorous. I feel like they can get away with it because people are looking for escapism and fantasy when they watch those shows. I like using Pretty Little Liars as an example because it's very unrealistic, but you expect it to be unrealistic. PLL jumped the shark a while back, but the writers keep on teasing that Emison is endgame, so I'm going to watch for that.

I hope they're successful soon. I'm sure they'll be great fathers.
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Old 19-09-2016, 12:00
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So Ste's spray tanning business is called Hay's Sprays (there are pics in his mentions of him wearing a T-shirt with it on. Beware if you go looking, as H*rry's there too.)

Putting aside the general ghastliness, the two positives are that 'Ste McQueen' must finally have been buried, and that the T-shirts are black with a neon-pink logo, so Ste must be unconsciously trying to keep a link with Chez Chez and therefore Brendan.
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Old 19-09-2016, 12:15
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So Ste's spray tanning business is called Hay's Sprays (there are pics in his mentions of him wearing a T-shirt with it on. Beware if you go looking, as H*rry's there too.)

Putting aside the general ghastliness, the two positives are that 'Ste McQueen' must finally have been buried, and that the T-shirts are black with a neon-pink logo, so Ste must be unconsciously trying to keep a link with Chez Chez and therefore Brendan.
I saw that earlier in the clip. I couldn't believe it I didn't know it has turned into a fully fledged business. Awful.

It's always to do with Ste and Brendan
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Old 19-09-2016, 12:32
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I saw that earlier in the clip. I couldn't believe it I didn't know it has turned into a fully fledged business. Awful.

It's always to do with Ste and Brendan
I've gone and watched the clip in the DS article now.

How dare that teenager shout at Ste like that?

And will that shaven-headed guy kindly take his hands and his eyes off Ste? He reminded me of Noah.
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