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Old 30-04-2016, 20:20
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Find it hard to believe that Marco didn't feel that touch foul 😬
Definitely. You've played snooker and as you know you can easily feel if your hand has made contact with a ball even if it doesn't move at all.

Downright cheating for me and there is absolutely no excuse for it.

I imagine Mark Allen is desperate to get on Twitter but wisely keeping his mouth shut.
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Old 30-04-2016, 20:25
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Mark Allen @pistol147

This might be a good time for me to get off social media ha ha

Shaun Murphy @Magician147

Tweet of the season right there
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Old 30-04-2016, 20:26
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I'll give him the benefit of the doubt because he's one the nicest guys you could ever meet according to Dennis.
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Old 30-04-2016, 20:29
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I'll give him the benefit of the doubt because he's one the nicest guys you could ever meet according to Dennis.
Although I've yet to hear him not say something along those lines, whoever is playing!
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Old 30-04-2016, 20:30
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Definitely. You've played snooker and as you know you can easily feel if your hand has made contact with a ball even if it doesn't move at all.

Downright cheating for me and there is absolutely no excuse for it.

I imagine Mark Allen is desperate to get on Twitter but wisely keeping his mouth shut.
Cheating is a VERY strong word. And in this instance i think the wrong one. In football players often call for a throw or goalkick etc when they know it isnt. In cricket the vast majority of shouts of “Howzat ?” are nowhere near out but the bowler tries it on. Are they cheating ? No, just playing the game. The players aren’t the referees in this match. Now dont get me wrong, i like to see players own up to their fouls but they do not have to, so in other words he has done nothing wrong, he hasnt cheated. To cheat means he would have gained from his actions. Did he ?
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Old 30-04-2016, 20:36
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To cheat means he would have gained from his actions. Did he ?
Yes he gained 4 points.
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Old 30-04-2016, 20:37
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Marco's getting pelters from lots of fellow pro's on Twitter....
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Old 30-04-2016, 20:37
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Cheating is a VERY strong word. And in this instance i think the wrong one. In football players often call for a throw or goalkick etc when they know it isnt. In cricket the vast majority of shouts of “Howzat ?” are nowhere near out but the bowler tries it on. Are they cheating ? No, just playing the game. The players aren’t the referees in this match. Now dont get me wrong, i like to see players own up to their fouls but they do not have to, so in other words he has done nothing wrong, he hasnt cheated. To cheat means he would have gained from his actions. Did he ?
He denied Selby 4 points which may have been crucial in the frame.

It is hugely dishonest. His card will be well and truly marked with his fellow players, if it already wasn't.
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Old 30-04-2016, 20:41
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Cheating is a VERY strong word. And in this instance i think the wrong one. In football players often call for a throw or goalkick etc when they know it isnt. In cricket the vast majority of shouts of “Howzat ?” are nowhere near out but the bowler tries it on. Are they cheating ? No, just playing the game. The players aren’t the referees in this match. Now dont get me wrong, i like to see players own up to their fouls but they do not have to, so in other words he has done nothing wrong, he hasnt cheated. To cheat means he would have gained from his actions. Did he ?
I think only advantage apart from 4 points would of been fu would of had to play from where he left cue ball which was behind yellow.
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Old 30-04-2016, 20:41
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He denied Selby 4 points which may have been crucial in the frame.

It is hugely dishonest. His card will be well and truly marked with his fellow players, if it already wasn't.
He did not cheat
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Old 30-04-2016, 20:47
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Definitely. You've played snooker and as you know you can easily feel if your hand has made contact with a ball even if it doesn't move at all.

Downright cheating for me and there is absolutely no excuse for it.

I imagine Mark Allen is desperate to get on Twitter but wisely keeping his mouth shut.
Yes it's not like a waistcoat / clothing foul which you might not feel, and although you've only got a second or two to declare it on yourself, that's bred into you from a very young age as a snooker player: feel it, up straight away, declare it. The state of the table, what the scores are, what you leave your opponent etc are irrelevant.
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Old 30-04-2016, 20:54
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Cheating is a VERY strong word. And in this instance i think the wrong one. In football players often call for a throw or goalkick etc when they know it isnt. In cricket the vast majority of shouts of “Howzat ?” are nowhere near out but the bowler tries it on. Are they cheating ? No, just playing the game. The players aren’t the referees in this match. Now dont get me wrong, i like to see players own up to their fouls but they do not have to, so in other words he has done nothing wrong, he hasnt cheated. To cheat means he would have gained from his actions. Did he ?
Sorry, but snooker has not gone down this road, and I wouldn't like to see it happening. I've been so impressed when snooker players own up, even if the ref misses the foul.

Fu has sunk in my estimation and I hope Selby ends up the winner.
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Old 30-04-2016, 20:59
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Sorry, but snooker has not gone down this road, and I wouldn't like to see it happening. I've been so impressed when snooker players own up, even if the ref misses the foul.

Fu has sunk in my estimation and I hope Selby ends up the winner.
I am not saying what he did was right, it wasn't. I am just saying he did not cheat. Cheating is a deliberate and obvious act. Whilst this looked obvious on the camera, we have absolutely no proof that it was deliberate.
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Old 30-04-2016, 21:00
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I wonder if Fu spent the interval on the naughty step.
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Old 30-04-2016, 21:02
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I am not saying what he did was right, it wasn't. I am just saying he did not cheat. Cheating is a deliberate and obvious act. Whilst this looked obvious on the camera, we have absolutely no proof that it was deliberate.
His decision not to own up was deliberate Darren, even if he didn't have long to think about it.
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Old 30-04-2016, 21:03
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I'm sure he didn't deliberately touch the red, but Steve Davis and Stephen Hendry both said he would have known he fouled. Doesn't get much more authoritative than that.
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Old 30-04-2016, 21:06
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His decision not to own up was deliberate Darren, even if he didn't have long to think about it.
That does not make him a cheat though does it ? What rule has he broken ? An unwritten one. Dishonest maybe, cheat ? certainly not.

And remember, Mark Selby is my favourite player
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Old 30-04-2016, 21:11
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Cheating and now crowd trouble!
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Old 30-04-2016, 21:15
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That does not make him a cheat though does it ? What rule has he broken ? An unwritten one. Dishonest maybe, cheat ? certainly not.

And remember, Mark Selby is my favourite player
It is up to the ref but one thing we're proud of is players owning up to fouls that the ref hasn't seen. Fu should have called the foul. It's disappointing that he didn't.
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Old 30-04-2016, 21:15
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We need the stat muffin to step up to the plate, [ or saucer ] , would this be the first time no player from the British Isles in the World Snooker final ?

This is the terminal start of the beginning of the commencement of the end of UK Snooker as we know it.
People have been saying that the game has been exploding in Asia for the last 20 years.........and what has it achieved ? For example, Tony Drago is still in the top 100 players in the world. Out of all the millions of people playing snooker all over the world. Says it all.

I do agree the game needs a massive kick up the arse as its dying as a whole. A player like Ding with the personality of a brick winning the title is terrible for the game.
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Old 30-04-2016, 21:16
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Even if Fu wins, Selby won the 'finger' frame so doesn't really matter. Now, had Fu won that frame and went on to win the match....I would have enjoyed the ensuing histrionics immensely
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Old 30-04-2016, 21:18
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That does not make him a cheat though does it ? What rule has he broken ? An unwritten one. Dishonest maybe, cheat ? certainly not.

And remember, Mark Selby is my favourite player
I'll be generous and say he made a very bad decision in a high pressure situation
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Old 30-04-2016, 21:20
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500 millon watched ding. That is unbelievable. How many will be watching him in the final especially if its ding v fu.
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Old 30-04-2016, 21:24
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Looks like Dennis Taylor is started to call Selby, Mark Sat Nav Selby, Dont tell me why
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Old 30-04-2016, 21:24
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500 millon watched ding. That is unbelievable. How many will be watching him in the final especially if its ding v fu.
Where are the other 499,982 people when event's are held in China.
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