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Official Snooker Thread (Part 7)
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david16
02-05-2016
Originally Posted by Jason C:
“Both players running on fumes right now.”

Time they shifted the non session from the second Monday morning to the Saturday evening between the conclusion of the semi finals and the final.
pete137
02-05-2016
Originally Posted by FrankieFixer:
“He's taking the game back the dark ages. You wonder why people don't consider it a sport and he's your answer. No excitement or flair or something to get the crowd going. He might be a nice guy or whatever, but no kid would want to grow up and be him.”

Agreed, it was turgid stuff. You only have to look at darts to see the way a sport has totally reinvented itself with excitement and flair. Snooker has tried but failed so far. It needs more then a few people in the crowd holding up small posters. The whole game just still comes across as stuffy and outdated. God help the sport when Ronnie retires.
Terrence Chant
02-05-2016
Find it laughable that some people think snooker's dying just because they had to stay up a bit later than usual or whatever. Some very uneducated posts emerging - the fact is that snooker is in better health than ever. There are more ranking events than ever in the history of the game, the biggest prize fund ever, and more television hours devoted worldwide to the game than ever.
dtcdtcdtc
02-05-2016
Originally Posted by Terrence Chant:
“Find it laughable that some people think snooker's dying just because they had to stay up a bit later than usual or whatever. Some very uneducated posts emerging - the fact is that snooker is in better health than ever. There are more ranking events than ever in the history of the game, the biggest prize fund ever, and more television hours devoted worldwide to the game than ever.”

Totally Agree

On a side note, I wish I could change my bonus prediction in your comp to 2.45am..
Terrence Chant
02-05-2016
Originally Posted by dtcdtcdtc:
“Totally Agree

On a side note, I wish I could change my bonus prediction in your comp to 2.45am..”



Tuesday or Wednesday morning?
Puterkid
02-05-2016
Originally Posted by Straker:
“I find the safety play more impressive and more engrossing than the flashy potting and big breaks.”

Me too, gripping. Credit to both players for keeping on. Obviously they were neither of them at their best, but seriously, the criticism, especially of Selby on here is ridiculous. He can play a fast game, he can play a slow game, a tactical game, an attacking potting game. Smiles at the crowd, makes a few comments to them, occasionally loses it. (Unlike some players, who are just robotic at different speeds.),

He does have personality, although after hours of gruelling snooker, it's not surprising if he fails to show it enough, or fails to continue at top quality despite looking fit to drop at any moment.

Some of you should give the guy a break!
Terrence Chant
02-05-2016
Besides anyone would think both players are struggling to muster a 30 break the way they go on, whereas the truth is we've had a respectable ten 50+ breaks in 17 frames, the vast majority of those being 70+ to boot. Two that didn't were the final two where admittedly the players were tiring.

And as regards playing on for snookers, criticism *may* be justified if he needed 4 or 5....but any player worth their salt is going to play on needing only one or two - especially if they are playing for 330K and the world title! The difference is that Selby is much better at it than the vast majority of players so can continue hunting for them longer.
Darren Lethem
02-05-2016
Originally Posted by FrankieFixer:
“He's taking the game back the dark ages. You wonder why people don't consider it a sport and he's your answer. No excitement or flair or something to get the crowd going. He might be a nice guy or whatever, but no kid would want to grow up and be him.”

That is your opinion, one which i, and many others on here, greatly dispute. You claimed he is turning fans and sponsors away from the game. As a snooker fan of 30 years i have yet to see that so am intrigued where you have proof that he is please.

I know you won't answer the above question because you can't prove it. So answer me this. Would you rather win the world title by playing matchplay snooker or get knocked out in the second round by playing flash, naughty snooker ?

Also your last comment about no kid would want to grow up and be him ? Again utter rubbish. You are saying parents wouldn't want their children to be the best in their chosen field ? a millionaire ? a highly respected man both on and off the table ?

You don't like Selby, fair enough but stop making utterly ridiculous claims that you cannot back up.
Darren Lethem
02-05-2016
Originally Posted by david16:
“Time they shifted the non session from the second Monday morning to the Saturday evening between the conclusion of the semi finals and the final.”

That would mean the semi finals starting at 10am on the Friday. That doesn't give enough time to go down from two tables to one, lay new cloths etc and let it settle. They start later for a reason
wolfpaw
02-05-2016
One thing I don't want to hear, ever again, is Taylor referring to 'Satnav' Selby. Yes, we all know Taylor thought it up himself, which is why he won't shut up about it, but it's the shittest nickname ever.
Terrence Chant
02-05-2016
Originally Posted by wolfpaw:
“One thing I don't want to hear, ever again, is Taylor referring to 'Satnav' Selby. Yes, we all know Taylor thought it up himself, which is why he won't shut up about it, but it's the shittest nickname ever.”

You wait 'til next year when we get an all Leicester final of Sat Nav Selby v Tom Tom Ford
Darren Lethem
02-05-2016
Originally Posted by Terrence Chant:
“You wait 'til next year when we get an all Leicester final of Sat Nav Selby v Tom Tom Ford”

Oh very good
dtcdtcdtc
02-05-2016
Very good TC
tom e1649
02-05-2016
Originally Posted by wolfpaw:
“One thing I don't want to hear, ever again, is Taylor referring to 'Satnav' Selby. Yes, we all know Taylor thought it up himself, which is why he won't shut up about it, but it's the shittest nickname ever.”

It's about time he retired. Let someone else have a go. Why do certain commentators get preference to work on the final anyway? I don't remember them letting Terry Griffiths do one, for example.
Chris1964
02-05-2016
Interesting to see the comments regarding Selby and slow play etc. The same comments were being made 35 years ago regarding Griffiths Charlton Thorburn etc so its nothing new, and in the scheme of things those players have always added a different flavour to the overall picture which I think is fine.

The problem with Selby if you are not a fan(the same applies to John Higgins to a degree), is that his supreme matchplay can be bl@@dy annoying(its simply amazing how he lays and gets out of Snookers over and over again). Not his fault though, especially Ding missing that short cushioned red yesterday allowing Selby to dictate 40 minutes of mental torture to Ding and even though he failed to win it, Ding had lost the momentum and lost the plot too in the remaining frames. Ironically Ding was flapping around trying to do the same thing at 12.15am whilst Selby was almost out on his feet. Ding though just hasn't got the same skill level in that area. I doubt Selby will ever be talked about as the greatest of all time, but he is making absolutely the most he can out of his skillset.

I do agree there are a lot more robots around, but thats modern professional sport for you. Preparation, diet, sports psychology etc-you aren't going to get many Alex Higgins types dropping out of that kind of lifestyle.
zawtowers
02-05-2016
Interestingly, just looked at tickets for next year. Sales are going pretty well (middle Saturday already complete sell out, plys the final).

However, you may not see the regulars in their prime seats due to the change of ticketing policy. Effectively the first four rows are now "premium" seats which are around double the normal price tag. So for the first session on Saturday 15th, that's £50 plus booking free. Granted you get a programme (40th anniversary one) and earpiece, but that also means those who wanted to get close to the action and get a ticket won't be able to do so. Plus if you went to two premium session, what use is two of each for example?

With the price increases I already spotted (£25, £30 and £35 for first Saturday morning, afternon and evening, and £20, £25 and £30 for corresponding sessions during the week) it's not exactly affordable as it was. It may be the first time in years that I don't go to a session next year.
Chris1964
02-05-2016
Originally Posted by pete137:
“Agreed, it was turgid stuff. You only have to look at darts to see the way a sport has totally reinvented itself with excitement and flair. Snooker has tried but failed so far. It needs more then a few people in the crowd holding up small posters. The whole game just still comes across as stuffy and outdated. God help the sport when Ronnie retires.”

The process of Darts hasn't changed though-its still standing in front of a board throwing three arrows-but they have dressed it up and made it louder. Darts lends itself to that kind of showbiz-Snooker doesn't, its Chess with balls(as it was once described), involves thought and tactical planning. You cant fit Snooker into Darts without you fundamentally change it, and I think you would be creating a different game-a Pool hybrid maybe-which would destroy it imo.
Matt35
02-05-2016
Its funny people complaining about selby. He reminds me of davis. In his prime davis was considered dull and boring. It didn't help that he was winning everything in sight. You also had to finish frames off otherwise you'd spend the next 45mins trying to get out of snookers. He'd even do that knowing he wouldn't win the frame but knock his opponent out of his rythem just like selby did with ding. I've been watching snooker for the 35 years and while i enjoy the attacking players but i also love watching players like selby go about winning frames. That's the thing about snooker. We need players of different styles to make it interesting. If every player was like judd then after a while it would get boring.
f1fantic1
02-05-2016
In what frame of the semi-finals was this 5 minute shot from Ding Junhui?
FrankieFixer
02-05-2016
Originally Posted by Darren Lethem:
“That is your opinion, one which i, and many others on here, greatly dispute. You claimed he is turning fans and sponsors away from the game. As a snooker fan of 30 years i have yet to see that so am intrigued where you have proof that he is please.

I know you won't answer the above question because you can't prove it. So answer me this. Would you rather win the world title by playing matchplay snooker or get knocked out in the second round by playing flash, naughty snooker ?

Also your last comment about no kid would want to grow up and be him ? Again utter rubbish. You are saying parents wouldn't want their children to be the best in their chosen field ? a millionaire ? a highly respected man both on and off the table ?

You don't like Selby, fair enough but stop making utterly ridiculous claims that you cannot back up.”

You already said yourself that wasn't a great advert for snooker, so how could it possibly entice people to watch it and take it up? If it is boring to watch then how can you possibly think any kid is going to be wanting to emulate that? If 'purist' is playing mostly easy to get out of safety shots until half midnight and failing simple pots because you're so tired from 70 minute frames of negative snooker then I'd happily pass on being a purist.

Selby seems like a decent enough guy, but if he was all we had to look forward to in snooker entertainment it would die overnight.
clarky323
02-05-2016
Originally Posted by Terrence Chant:
“You wait 'til next year when we get an all Leicester final of Sat Nav Selby v Tom Tom Ford”



you're good TC! don't give any ideas to Dennis though...
clarky323
02-05-2016
Originally Posted by f1fantic1:
“In what frame of the semi-finals was this 5 minute shot from Ding Junhui?”

think it was the first frame of the final session on Saturday afternoon.
Keyser_Soze1
02-05-2016
I thought it was enthralling entertainment.

But then I don't care if the players are not banging in a century every couple of frames as I find the tactical side of the game to be just as interesting to watch (as a young kid I watched Thorburn, Griffiths and Davies so it is really nothing new).

Selby is a real master of tough matchplay snooker - and why should he change because a few fans find his style not to their liking?

One thing I will say - does Taylor ever shut up?

Also his constant repetition of his new nickname for Mark was embarrassing - get rid BBC.
Matt35
02-05-2016
Originally Posted by FrankieFixer:
“You already said yourself that wasn't a great advert for snooker, so how could it possibly entice people to watch it and take it up? If it is boring to watch then how can you possibly think any kid is going to be wanting to emulate that? If 'purist' is playing mostly easy to get out of safety shots until half midnight and failing simple pots because you're so tired from 70 minute frames of negative snooker then I'd happily pass on being a purist.

Selby seems like a decent enough guy, but if he was all we had to look forward to in snooker entertainment it would die overnight.”

As chris1964 said its chess with balls. I think you have the wrong idea about snooker. Snooker is one of the hardest sports when trying to get to their level. If I had that ability to play like Selby then I'd be the happiest man alive. Yes some may find it boring but some will not but either way I'd be playing the game I love and getting paid for it. If people don't like it then they don't have to watch.
Darren Lethem
02-05-2016
Originally Posted by FrankieFixer:
“You already said yourself that wasn't a great advert for snooker, so how could it possibly entice people to watch it and take it up? If it is boring to watch then how can you possibly think any kid is going to be wanting to emulate that? If 'purist' is playing mostly easy to get out of safety shots until half midnight and failing simple pots because you're so tired from 70 minute frames of negative snooker then I'd happily pass on being a purist.

Selby seems like a decent enough guy, but if he was all we had to look forward to in snooker entertainment it would die overnight.”

1 - where did I say that ? Quote me please
2 - Still not proved fans and sponsors are being driven away. More snooker than ever yet you seem to think fans and sponsors are leaving in droves
3 - what would you expect a player to do in that snooker situation ? Concede and risk losing your overnight lead ? That's why Marl Selby is in the final, he's very good at snooker.

Think you'll find quite a few think the same on here too
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