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Official Snooker Thread (Part 7)
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Inspiration
02-05-2016
Perhaps his personal issue is still on his mind. I just don't think he looked able to relax at all in that victory. Seemed pre-occupied. If he has won it with something going on away from the table then even more credit to him for that.
pete137
02-05-2016
If only Ronnie could have been bothered enough over the years. He would have been a 10 times plus champion.
Darren Lethem
02-05-2016
Originally Posted by FrankieFixer:
“Well done Mark Selby, a bittersweet story of where he came from to where he is now.”

Yet some think him a disgrace to the game

Glad to see you have changed your tune
Darren Lethem
02-05-2016
Originally Posted by owen10:
“I know, i dont know what is wrong with people sometimes. Im just wondering if you knew the answers to my quiz questions, as you are the snooker expert on this forum”

TC is the expert. But there are two players not one. Mark Williams and Mark Selby
LiquidSnake
02-05-2016
Was hoping Ding would win but he never really got in the game really. Always behind and whenever he had momentum and closed within 1-2 frames, the next frame would go tactical and Selby won pretty much all the important long frames. Those are what won him the match in the end.

Neither player hit any kind of form though. Compared to the rest of his tournament, Ding played pretty poor overall. Just not consistent enough.

The shots of family members are so annoying and it gets worse during the last frames. All it does is encourage Taylor to talk more nonsense and name-drop. Now it seems every year the mother/wife and kid/s are rolled out for the photos. Just seems very forced to me.
Keyser_Soze1
02-05-2016
Originally Posted by pete137:
“If only Ronnie could have been bothered enough over the years. He would have been a 10 times plus champion.”

I don't agree.

The competition is far too tough now, I always thought he would be lucky to equal the six of Davis (even though he is the most talented player ever to pick up a cue).

And I also think that people forget just what a machine Hendry was at his peak.

Ronnie has had all the support that Alex Higgins never had from the snooker establishment (he was regarded as a Pariah), but still refuses to treat the sport or his fans with any respect.
clarky323
02-05-2016
Interesting question now with Mark Selby is how many World titles will he win?

That was of course his second in only three years and he's still only 32 (which is of course young in snooker terms). I personally think he will win another one or two but obviously its so tough these days to win one with the amount of quality players and the strength in depth, so if he were to win four it would be an incredible achievement!
ollie1004
02-05-2016
Originally Posted by Inspiration:
“Perhaps his personal issue is still on his mind.”

What was/is his personal issue? He's got something going on away from the table, you mean? Like what? I noticed how "disappointed" he looked despite his win.
FrankieFixer
02-05-2016
Originally Posted by Darren Lethem:
“Yet some think him a disgrace to the game

Glad to see you have changed your tune”

I would not pay to watch him and his style of play on Sunday night would kill snooker. It's partly why Sky aren't bothered about it and we have to suffer inferior BBC coverage.
Keyser_Soze1
02-05-2016
Originally Posted by clarky323:
“Interesting question now with Mark Selby is how many World titles will he win?

That was of course his second in only three years and he's still only 32 (which is of course young in snooker terms). I personally think he will win another one or two but obviously its so tough these days to win one with the amount of quality players and the strength in depth, so if he were to win four it would be an incredible achievement!”

It is interesting to speculate, even if he only manages one more title it would be a wonderful achievement in this era.

Especially as Trump has not even won yet, and Robertson has only triumphed once so far.

Anyway glad I found this thread, I will post in here more often when snooker is on Freeview (ITV4 or the beeb).
FrankieFixer
02-05-2016
Originally Posted by Keyser_Soze1:
“I don't agree.

The competition is far too tough now, I always thought he would be lucky to equal the six of Davis (even though he is the most talented player ever to pick up a cue).

And I also think that people forget just what a machine Hendry was at his peak.

Ronnie has had all the support that Alex Higgins never had from the snooker establishment (he was regarded as a Pariah), but still refuses to treat the sport or his fans with any respect.”

Ronnie the most gifted player to have ever picked up a cue, he will be remembered in 30 or 40 years, Selby won't.
DUNDEEBOY
02-05-2016
Originally Posted by clarky323:
“Interesting question now with Mark Selby is how many World titles will he win?

That was of course his second in only three years and he's still only 32 (which is of course young in snooker terms). I personally think he will win another one or two but obviously its so tough these days to win one with the amount of quality players and the strength in depth, so if he were to win four it would be an incredible achievement!”

Its young in snooker terms these days as it's primarily an old mans game in sporting terms these days .

Hendry had won loads of worlds by his mid 20s but the fact that young players rarely break through anymore is what has lessened my enjoyment of the game these last few years .

Let's hope the likes of Kyren Wilson can change that
trevvytrev21
02-05-2016
Originally Posted by FrankieFixer:
“Ronnie the most gifted player to have ever picked up a cue, he will be remembered in 30 or 40 years, Selby won't.”

Gifted perhaps, but sorely lacking in drive, motivation and applying that talent effectively. I think it's fairly subjective as to who will be remembered or not. Who knows what'll happen in the coming few years.

IMO Ronnie will be remembered for squandering his talent (and maybe there'll be a footnote about the endless sycophancy coming from commentators about him; glad they have been shut up a bit!).
Darren Lethem
02-05-2016
Originally Posted by FrankieFixer:
“Ronnie the most gifted player to have ever picked up a cue, he will be remembered in 30 or 40 years, Selby won't.”

Of course he will. Are you telling me nobody has heard of John Spencer ? Ray Readon ? Cliff Thorburn ?

As I've said a few times, you don't like the guy but you've spoken a lot of rubbish about him. A lot of comments you simply cannot substantiate but can't bring yourself to admit it.
Darren Lethem
02-05-2016
Originally Posted by FrankieFixer:
“I would not pay to watch him and his style of play on Sunday night would kill snooker. It's partly why Sky aren't bothered about it and we have to suffer inferior BBC coverage.”

You'll have to remind me of Sky's great snooker coverage. I just remember the boring stuff they covered.

Give me Hazel Irvine over Andy Goldstein any day
John Parrott over Phil Yates
Steve Davis over Mike Hallett

And no ad breaks over one after every frame

Sky do football, cricket, golf etc very well but they've never mastered snooker, hence they dropped it
FrankieFixer
02-05-2016
Originally Posted by trevvytrev21:
“Gifted perhaps, but sorely lacking in drive, motivation and applying that talent effectively. I think it's fairly subjective as to who will be remembered or not. Who knows what'll happen in the coming few years.

IMO Ronnie will be remembered for squandering his talent (and maybe there'll be a footnote about the endless sycophancy coming from commentators about him; glad they have been shut up a bit!).”

He's the greatest to ever pick up a cue. There will be 100 other Selby clones, but Ronnie people will still be talking about going for a 146 or his other antics.
trevvytrev21
02-05-2016
Originally Posted by FrankieFixer:
“He's the greatest to ever pick up a cue. There will be 100 other Selby clones, but Ronnie people will still be talking about going for a 146 or his other antics.”

I love him. But I think his general disrespect for the game hasn't helped him or the perception of the game. That fake laissez-faire attitude to cover up his shabby losses is cringey. If he applied that talent, he would likely have many more titles. So why hasn't he? Inadequacies in other areas.
Darren Lethem
02-05-2016
Originally Posted by FrankieFixer:
“He's the greatest to ever pick up a cue. There will be 100 other Selby clones, but Ronnie people will still be talking about going for a 146 or his other antics.”

There will be another 100 multiple world champions ? Yet another ridiculous statement. You clearly no little about snooker. Your whole opinion is tainted due to a dislike of the world number 1.
FrankieFixer
02-05-2016
Originally Posted by Darren Lethem:
“Of course he will. Are you telling me nobody has heard of John Spencer ? Ray Readon ? Cliff Thorburn ?

As I've said a few times, you don't like the guy but you've spoken a lot of rubbish about him. A lot of comments you simply cannot substantiate but can't bring yourself to admit it.”

Even his nickname is crap, 'Sat-Nav Selby'. He's a forgettable champion and in no way comparable to true showmen like Ronnie.
Darren Lethem
02-05-2016
Originally Posted by FrankieFixer:
“Even his nickname is crap, 'Sat-Nav Selby'. He's a forgettable champion and in no way comparable to true showmen like Ronnie.”

That isn't his nickname, again showing your lack of knowledge.

Can you back up your claims from last night yet ? Bet you wish they were forgettable don't you ?
Keyser_Soze1
02-05-2016
Originally Posted by FrankieFixer:
“Even his nickname is crap, 'Sat-Nav Selby'. He's a forgettable champion and in no way comparable to true showmen like Ronnie.”

Just as a matter of interest what other current or great players from the past did/do you rate apart from O'Sullivan?
FrankieFixer
02-05-2016
Originally Posted by Darren Lethem:
“There will be another 100 multiple world champions ? Yet another ridiculous statement. You clearly no little about snooker. Your whole opinion is tainted due to a dislike of the world number 1.”

I know what I like and 13 minutes on a green with poor safety shots isn't it. It seems to surprise you that some don't see it as a sport, yet you praise 70 minute frames of negative snooker. It isn't difficult to understand.
Chris1964
02-05-2016
There is only one lesson Ding can learn here and that is you cant give your opponent a 6 frame head start. Especially one that needs to be scraped off the table like Selby. Other than that Ding was equal to it,

Congratulations though to Mark Selby,he wont be everyones favourite, but its a tremendous achievement to win for a second time.

Love this time of year for Sport-Boat Race, Grand National, London Marathon, Football run in , Cricket start and two weeks of glorious Snooker with Summer just around the corner. To cap it all its safe at the Crucible for another 11 years.

Good stuff.

EDIT: Bl@@dy 'ell -just remembered Iv got to be up at 5.00 tomorrow- damn all this exciting Sport
owen10
02-05-2016
I have to say Mark Selby deserved to win even though i wanted Ding to win. But i have to say that i have never seen anyone so miserable on winning a World title when Hazel Irvine was talking to him, He looked like a player that has lost a final instead of winning one, Ding actually smiled more than him even though he lost
david16
03-05-2016
Originally Posted by DUNDEEBOY:
“Its young in snooker terms these days as it's primarily an old mans game in sporting terms these days .

Hendry had won loads of worlds by his mid 20s but the fact that young players rarely break through anymore is what has lessened my enjoyment of the game these last few years .

Let's hope the likes of Kyren Wilson can change that”

Nobody has won 6+ in a decade at the sort of age of Reardon i.e. in his late 30’s to mid 40’s since Reardon.

I don’t think anybody will ever do it in today’s era or in the future so old or even win the world title over 45 years of age to become the oldest world champion even once.
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