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Official Snooker Thread (Part 7)
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thewaywardbus
03-05-2016
Originally Posted by Ginger Daddy:
“I will admit for the Final I did switch back to the BBC inbetween frames and for the intervals, many times the last 17 days though they werent showing the live stuff. Even on Saturday afternoon when they were showing the 76 minute mega-frame the BBC seemed to be 10 minutes or so behind live.”

The live stuff seemed mainly to be on the red button, apart from maybe an hour each evening on BBC 2.
Ginger Daddy
03-05-2016
Originally Posted by MR_Pitkin:
“Eurosports coverage was far more entertaining.”

....except for the 15 minutes where Colin Murray had Jimmy White, Ronnie O'Sullivan, Ronnie Wood (from the Rolling Stones) and his dog in the studio. Dear lord, it was like watching a car crash.
Playamonte
03-05-2016
Originally Posted by Darren Lethem:
“The facts were that his mum left him and his dad died. I never said it was why he was down last night did I ? He missed the two events prior to Sheffield for personal reasons so there is obviously more to it.”

Yes there was (IMO) as I was surprised that he kind of looked cold towards his wife & a little towards his child, just a feeling I had mind but not the reaction to his family I would expect from someone who has just won the world title (not to mention over 300k)
Darren Lethem
03-05-2016
On the Eurosport v BBC debate id have to say out of the top 5 commentators ( for me ) only one would be from Eurosport and that's Dave Hendon, who is superb

For me

Hendon
Parrot
Davis
Hendry
Doherty
zawtowers
03-05-2016
Now that the dust has settled and the masses were all clamouring for the final tickets for next year, I had a look at the ticketing for the 2017 World Championship in more detail on the official site https://www.cruciblesnooker.com/ - and it's not pretty.

Updated prices for the sessions are now also here - http://www.worldsnooker.com/wp-conte...es-website.pdf

Effectively when you look at the official site for ticket bookings the first four rows of seats (highlighted in purple) are now the "premium" package seats which entitle you to:

* Prime view seating session ticket
* Commemorative 40th anniversary World Snooker goodie bag including a souvenir programme and commentary radio

Granted, the programme and radio is around £17 worth based on this year's prices (£10 for the radio, £7 for programme). However, if you are going for more than one premium session, you're not going to need more than one of either, which makes it a tad more expensive if you wanted more front rows.

The premium prices start at £45 (normal session price £20) for a 10am morning session.

You'll also see that the morning sessions are cheapest, afternoons £5 more expensive, and evenings another £5 on top. The first round weekends are also more expensive than first round days during the week.

It also looks like SeeTickets have an allocation too, mainly row L and backwards - http://worldsnooker.seetickets.com/t...-snooker-2017/

I suspect some of the premium prices were introduced as a possible deterrent to the "season ticket" holders going to every session like they used to by effectively pricing them out of the market. And during this year's tournament, I got in early ticket wise and got four front row sessions for face value, which was good value all round especially as these were the only days I was going.

Interest has been huge though, most of the first weekend, the semis and final are pretty much a sell out already. But still..
The_Bonobo
03-05-2016
I remember there was some talk about Joe Davis earlier and I found out that he made 6 centuries in the 1946 WC final (joint most in a WC match until Ding this year). Pretty good but then the score was 78 frames to 67.

While there are many factors to consider, such as quality of safety at the time and so on, there is one detail that I found interesting and which suggests he was something special. In that final he got a 133 break and apparently only took 7mins15s to compile it. That would be good now and suggests the idea of faster play is not as new as some may think.

There are other notable things he achieved but often they include exhibitions (such as total centuries) or involve these very long matches but that quick 133 in the WC final (in 1946!) surely means he can't be dismissed as just "good for the time".
Hayden
03-05-2016
Originally Posted by Darren Lethem:
“The facts were that his mum left him and his dad died. I never said it was why he was down last night did I ? He missed the two events prior to Sheffield for personal reasons so there is obviously more to it.”

It was said many times during the two weeks including by Selby himself that he missed the two events prior to Sheffield to remain fresh for the big one.
The schedule was bonkers during February/ March.
No personal reasons at all.
Terrence Chant
03-05-2016
Originally Posted by Hayden:
“It was said many times during the two weeks including by Selby himself that he missed the two events prior to Sheffield to remain fresh for the big one.
The schedule was bonkers during February/ March.
No personal reasons at all.”

Every press release at the time stated to the contrary H:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/snooker/35846128

http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/Sn...ail/story.html

http://www.sportinglife.com/snooker/...rsonal-reasons

...and so on. Of course, just feeling a bit knackered could be deemed a personal reason, but why not put out a statement saying 'I want to be fresh for the worlds' instead?
Jimmy Connors
03-05-2016
Originally Posted by The_Bonobo:
“I remember there was some talk about Joe Davis earlier and I found out that he made 6 centuries in the 1946 WC final (joint most in a WC match until Ding this year). Pretty good but then the score was 78 frames to 67.

While there are many factors to consider, such as quality of safety at the time and so on, there is one detail that I found interesting and which suggests he was something special. In that final he got a 133 break and apparently only took 7mins15s to compile it. That would be good now and suggests the idea of faster play is not as new as some may think.

There are other notable things he achieved but often they include exhibitions (such as total centuries) or involve these very long matches but that quick 133 in the WC final (in 1946!) surely means he can't be dismissed as just "good for the time".”

Nice post, thanks. I love all the little details from years gone by.
Chris1964
03-05-2016
Originally Posted by Darren Lethem:
“On the Eurosport v BBC debate id have to say out of the top 5 commentators ( for me ) only one would be from Eurosport and that's Dave Hendon, who is superb

For me

Hendon
Parrot
Davis
Hendry
Doherty”

Obviously all the ex players know what they are taking about, but when Hendry describes a shot being dreadful I tend to take the most notice. When Virgo and Thorne are rambling on about bad play its kind of half masked by the feeling that they didn't win all that much between them in their own careers. Probably a bit unfair really but I reckon Hendry has the most right to criticise closely followed by Davis.

What irritates me about Parrott in his studio sessions is constant sideways glances to the other expert searching for some kind of agreement to the points he is making. The camera is on him and he doesn't need to do it.
tom e1649
03-05-2016
Originally Posted by Darren Lethem:
“On the Eurosport v BBC debate id have to say out of the top 5 commentators ( for me ) only one would be from Eurosport and that's Dave Hendon, who is superb

For me

Hendon
Parrot
Davis
Hendry
Doherty”

I think Neal Foulds is very good and he sometimes commentates for Eurosport. Conversely I think Philip Studd is one of the worst. He doesn't know a lot and doesn't know when to be quiet.

I have the international version of Eurosport so we didn't get any of the studio footage. Sometimes the commentary would refer to what was said in the 'studio' and us continental viewers were left none the wiser.
Darren Lethem
03-05-2016
Mark Selby, still in his snooker gear, entertaining the crowds with a karaoke version of a Neil Diamond classic

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/snooker/36191466
Darren Lethem
03-05-2016
Originally Posted by tom e1649:
“I think Neal Foulds is very good and he sometimes commentates for Eurosport. Conversely I think Philip Studd is one of the worst. He doesn't know a lot and doesn't know when to be quiet.

I have the international version of Eurosport so we didn't get any of the studio footage. Sometimes the commentary would refer to what was said in the 'studio' and us continental viewers were left none the wiser.”

I didn’t see much of the studio analysis on Eurosport but what i did i wasn’t much of a fan of. Colin Murray is ok but i find Jimmy White a dull pundit. Dominic Dale always looks scary but yes, Neal Foulds is very good and would be a welcome re-addition to the BBC team. I don't know how often they used Ronnie, I only saw him once, but he was very good too, in fact second to Foulds for me.
Jimmy Connors
03-05-2016
Originally Posted by Darren Lethem:
“I didn’t see much of the studio analysis on Eurosport but what i did i wasn’t much of a fan of. Colin Murray is ok but i find Jimmy White a dull pundit. Dominic Dale always looks scary but yes, Neal Foulds is very good and would be a welcome re-addition to the BBC team. I don't know how often they used Ronnie, I only saw him once, but he was very good too, in fact second to Foulds for me.”

Definitely agree about Jimmy White. A brilliant player does not a snooker pundit make.

Jimmy also always seemed out of breath. I don't know if he has any health problems (sincerely hope not) but when he talked he seemed to struggle for air. Some of his answers were very short one word answers too. I almost had the impression he thought the question was stupid - so tried to give it as little attention as possible.

Neal Foulds was great as always, and even ROS was quite good in short spurts. But as much as I love Jimmy White as a player he is not suited to punditry IMO.
LiquidSnake
04-05-2016
I thought Ebdon was fantastic on comms, a real natural. He's got the right voice for it. Hendry and Doherty are my top choices. I like Davis and Griffiths too.

Thorne I can take or leave - I find he's much quieter when paired with Hendry or Doherty or anyone other than Taylor or Virgo (where it gets a bit rowdy). Taylor is just terrible though, by far the worst. Says the same thing over and over.

As for Virgo, I actually really like him on comms. I think he adds some excitement to it all. I know he can be loud with the ''where's the cue ball going?'' but I like how blunt he is. I still remember in the final where Selby messed up and left Ding in with an easy red and Virgo just shouted out something like ''... and he's left him an absolute sitter there, a SITTER!!''.

I think Virgo works better paired with Hendry or Doherty though, as then you've got some more modern technical knowledge and some excitement to go with it at certain points.
pete137
04-05-2016
Originally Posted by Darren Lethem:
“Mark Selby, still in his snooker gear, entertaining the crowds with a karaoke version of a Neil Diamond classic

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/snooker/36191466”

Cringey. Mark "see, im not boring" Selby.
Ginger Daddy
04-05-2016
Originally Posted by Terrence Chant:
“Every press release at the time stated to the contrary H:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/snooker/35846128

http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/Sn...ail/story.html

http://www.sportinglife.com/snooker/...rsonal-reasons

...and so on. Of course, just feeling a bit knackered could be deemed a personal reason, but why not put out a statement saying 'I want to be fresh for the worlds' instead?”

Not everything put out there is true. The PDC once claimed a player missed the UK Open for "personal reasons". The reality was that the police turned up to the venue and arrested him.

Him saying "I'm knackered" may have got people moaning at him saying he is "lazy" etc. So out comes the "personal reasons" line.
Terrence Chant
04-05-2016
Originally Posted by Ginger Daddy:
“Not everything put out there is true. The PDC once claimed a player missed the UK Open for "personal reasons". The reality was that the police turned up to the venue and arrested him.”



I vaguely remember that story actually which player was it again?
Ginger Daddy
04-05-2016
Originally Posted by Terrence Chant:
“

I vaguely remember that story actually which player was it again?”

Chris Mason.

I dont blame them for being economical with the truth, mind. Wouldnt have looked good had they admitted it!

The players have never had it so good with the number of events available to them, anyone moaning about there being too many and wanting a break might come across as being a bit ungrateful, so wouldnt surprise me if Selby just wanted a rest and didnt want to admit that.

Suppose none of us will never know unless they are his mate or a family member.
degsyhufc
04-05-2016
I missed this at the time. Martin Gould pulling out some outrageous shots against Ding
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDXX8inUNn0
zawtowers
04-05-2016
Notable article about Mark Selby's success:

http://sport.bt.com/more-sport-hub/m...11364057848427
degsyhufc
05-05-2016
Originally Posted by zawtowers:
“Notable article about Mark Selby's success:

http://sport.bt.com/more-sport-hub/m...11364057848427”

You'd think with plans to spend his winning might include seeing a specialist about that neck injury.

You'd think that in this day and age there would be something that could be done?
Rich Tea.
06-05-2016
Originally Posted by The_Bonobo:
“I remember there was some talk about Joe Davis earlier and I found out that he made 6 centuries in the 1946 WC final (joint most in a WC match until Ding this year). Pretty good but then the score was 78 frames to 67. ”

Do we know how long that match lasted? About 17 days by the look of that score!
zawtowers
06-05-2016
Originally Posted by Rich Tea.:
“Do we know how long that match lasted? About 17 days by the look of that score!”

12 days in all. Two lots of six days with a rest day in between (12 frames each day apart from the last day, 13 played.) Notably, even though it was best of 145 frames (first to 73) like all the old World Championships of then, they carried on playing the "dead" frames until all 145 were played.
zawtowers
06-05-2016
New calendar for 2016-17 season here:

http://www.worldsnooker.com/wp-conte...e-Calendar.pdf

Worthy of note:

* Australian Open appears to have been dropped
* World Grand Prix now moved to Preston
* Llandudno still gets an event though (as crowds were good there) - the Players Championship Final
* English Open in Manchester (please not Event City, soulless as hell that place)
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