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Official Snooker Thread (Part 7)
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Darren Lethem
17-04-2016
Originally Posted by Darren Lethem:
“Watching the Crucible Classic from overnight, Steve Davis v Tony Knowles. Couple of interesting points. There was a female commentator with Jack Karnham for a few frames. The game wasn't finished on Day 1. 9 frames on the Saturday and the final ones on Sunday.”

Thanks to BBC Genome I have found out it was Vera Selby, the first female world champion. Still going strong today too apparently. I honestly don't recall a female commentator when watching the snooker in the early 80s. Anybody else ?
Terrence Chant
17-04-2016
^ No, only retrospectively did I hear Vera's commentary too. She was awarded the MBE a vouple of years ago wasn't she.

Angles just gone 3 up with 4 to play - yet another first round exit looms for Maguire....
JSemple3
17-04-2016
Angles beats macguire 10-7
richie4eva
17-04-2016
Only just heard about Steve's retirement

A true legend of the game and the best ambassador for his sport, enjoy your retirement, Steve and thanks for all those classic moments you provided over the years
Corrie_Fan2
17-04-2016
Dott and Williams up next, two who should definitely follow Davis's lead.
SULLA
17-04-2016
Originally Posted by Darren Lethem:
“Watching the Crucible Classic from overnight, Steve Davis v Tony Knowles. Couple of interesting points. There was a female commentator with Jack Karnham for a few frames. The game wasn't finished on Day 1. 9 frames on the Saturday and the final ones on Sunday.”

Davis was poor. Knowles was OK. Knowles won in spite of making quite a few errors. It was a massive shock at the time. It was the year than Higgins won.
Darren Lethem
17-04-2016
Originally Posted by Corrie_Fan2:
“Dott and Williams up next, two who should definitely follow Davis's lead.”

Why ? Mark Williams is in the top 16 in the world, Dotty is just outside. Two players who are still very much earning a good living from the game.
DUNDEEBOY
17-04-2016
Originally Posted by Darren Lethem:
“Why ? Mark Williams is in the top 16 in the world, Dotty is just outside. Two players who are still very much earning a good living from the game.”

They have their part to play in the game still I agree however I still feel that the top 16 and top 32 is dominated by players in their 30s and 40s there are very few young players have managed to get to the top of the sport in recent years sadly.

It's kind of gone full circle as that's how it was when I first started watching in the early 80s
Darren Lethem
17-04-2016
Originally Posted by DUNDEEBOY:
“They have their part to play in the game still I agree however I still feel that the top 16 and top 32 is dominated by players in their 30s and 40s there are very few young players have managed to get to the top of the sport in recent years sadly.

It's kind of gone full circle as that's how it was when I first started watching in the early 80s”

Cannot blame the old guard for that. Plenty of opportunities for the younger generation to come through. Jack Lisowski, Luca Brecel and Ben Woollaston have all had good runs in tournaments but not pushed on. Even Anthony McGill, who made the last 8 here last year, did little else last season. Some of the younger Chinese players could come through but it looks like the youngest player in the top 16 will soon be outside the 16 again.
david16
17-04-2016
Originally Posted by SULLA:
“Davis was poor. Knowles was OK. Knowles won in spite of making quite a few errors. It was a massive shock at the time. It was the year than Higgins won.”

OK usually means the polar opposite if truth be told.

Knowles never won much even when he was world number 2 in the 1980’s.

Looking at when the score flashed up on screen every few minutes back then, what system did they use to provide the scoring?

Was a break nudging 30 seriously enough to merit Break 30 appearing right above the player’s frame score?
Corrie_Fan2
17-04-2016
Originally Posted by Darren Lethem:
“Why ? Mark Williams is in the top 16 in the world, Dotty is just outside. Two players who are still very much earning a good living from the game.”

Dott, once a great, is in danger of becoming a journeyman.

Williams isn't great these days either.

On the discussion of younger players. Kyren Wilson just won the Shanghai Masters, Anthony McGill's a long-form player and so ****ed in the Barry Hearn era unless he actually works on that, Michael White. Luca Brecel came runner-up in the German Masters. There is younger players knocking at the door and the next few years they'll come through.
Hayden
17-04-2016
I wonder how many of the younger players put in as much practice time as players like McManus still do?
Corrie_Fan2
17-04-2016
Originally Posted by Hayden:
“I wonder how many of the younger players put in as much practice time as players like McManus still do?”

I don't know, but I tell you one thing if I had the time and money and was remotely good at snooker (I'm not awful, to be fair but nowhere near good club standard) I'd be at a practicing 12 hours a day with one day off. Unfortunately I don't have any. Any aspiring snooker player with the opportunity to who genuinely loves the sport should be. There in a unique position to have that kind of chance.
Arcana
17-04-2016
Good luck to Steve on his retirement. Never my favourite player but what an absolute star of the sport.

Trying to think of the over-50s left on tour: White, Bond, Drago...any others?
Hayden
17-04-2016
Really enjoyed weatching Sam Baird tonight.

Another seed in bother.
Darren Lethem
17-04-2016
The younger players get more chance than ever now to try and break into the big time. More tournaments and, and this I the best thing for them, the flat draw. In the past the top 16 were always safe for all events, now it is very few and your ranking was protected for a year, it is now rolling. Ok, Graeme Dott, Alan McManus, Kenny, Peter Ebdon and possibly even Mark Williams may not win another ranking event but fair play to them for still being competitive at their age and keeping the youngsters at bay. They are getting no extra help in doing it.
Terrence Chant
17-04-2016
Absolutely H - wonderfully entertaning session between White and Baird. Nothing against Michael but I'd love to see Sam make the last 16 - it means so much to the lower ranked pros in terms of obviously the money but also the improved ranking that goes hand in hand - takes a bit of the pressure of tour survival off next season and hopefully then the ability to play with more freedom and attain better results.

Nice for him to get his debut crucible ton too, there's plenty of pro's who haven't...
degsyhufc
17-04-2016
Just caught up with the results. Surprising to see Murphy out.
clarky323
17-04-2016
I watched the M. White / Sam Baird match tonight too and fully enjoyed it. Very entertaining as both players like to get the balls open and play attacking stuff.... it showed too as it was a very quick nine frames!

Regarding the chat tonight about youngsters... there may not be many in the top 16 but there are certainly a good number of them who are capable of beating a top 16 player on their day. Its understandable surely that a youngster is not consistent enough to be a permanent fixture in the 16.

I think personally that there is more strength in depth than ever before. How many lower ranked players have we seen in recent years make a completely unexpected run to the semi finals or even final of a big ranking event... certainly more than 10 years ago for example.
Corrie_Fan2
17-04-2016
Originally Posted by degsyhufc:
“Just caught up with the results. Surprising to see Murphy out.”

Not too anyone who actually bothered to watch non-majors and the qualifiers for this event.
owen10
17-04-2016
Originally Posted by david16:
“OK usually means the polar opposite if truth be told.

Knowles never won much even when he was world number 2 in the 1980’s.
”

How did he get to number two in the world if he did not win much, and was Steve Davis the last player before Bingham to win the World Championship then get knocked out in the first round the next year
clarky323
17-04-2016
Originally Posted by owen10:
“How did he get to number two in the world if he did not win much, and was Steve Davis the last player before Bingham to win the World Championship then get knocked out in the first round the next year”

Neil Robertson won the World Championship in 2010 and then lost in the first round the following year to Judd Trump.

I think that is the most recent one off the top of my head...
david16
18-04-2016
Originally Posted by clarky323:
“I watched the M. White / Sam Baird match tonight too and fully enjoyed it. Very entertaining as both players like to get the balls open and play attacking stuff.... it showed too as it was a very quick nine frames!

Regarding the chat tonight about youngsters... there may not be many in the top 16 but there are certainly a good number of them who are capable of beating a top 16 player on their day. Its understandable surely that a youngster is not consistent enough to be a permanent fixture in the 16.

I think personally that there is more strength in depth than ever before. How many lower ranked players have we seen in recent years make a completely unexpected run to the semi finals or even final of a big ranking event... certainly more than 10 years ago for example.”

And when they get there to a Crucible semi or indeed the final, they aren’t just going in just to try enjoy the occasion only to find the occasion far too much, freeze and barely win more than the occasional frame here and there for the most part of the match.
Scrumper
18-04-2016
Good to see Williams on song tonight, one of the most beautiful players ever.
brillopad
18-04-2016
Very emotional Steve Davis - His domination failed when he tried to become an attacking player - I remember watching and thinking 'what are you doing' ?? as he missed 'edgy' shots.
His skill was to make him impossible to play against.
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