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Old 16-06-2015, 20:27
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The majority of people posting on this thread are not likely to have seen the bl***y Swedish version, but they are likely to have seen ep. 1 of the UK version.
And as the Swedish version is a completely different show which hasn't yet been broadcast or released in the UK, any comments comparing the two really ought to be spoiler tagged or in a different thread entirely.

It's not being fair to Channel 4 viewers who may want to go on and watch the original production at a later date otherwise.
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Old 16-06-2015, 20:43
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What I said that is that it is becoming tedious that 'some' posters are going on about the original series.
There was one post about the original series.. Nearly all the rest have been about whether that post was 'offensive' by existing

And as the Swedish version is a completely different show which hasn't yet been broadcast or released in the UK
The Swedish version is not at all a completely different show, the C4 show is a remake and the original is available via Amazon if not elsewhere. Some may even agree with me that it may have been 'better' to show the original than remake it.

any comments comparing the two really ought to be spoiler tagged or in a different thread entirely.
A thread has already been created.
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Old 16-06-2015, 20:59
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A thread has already been created.
So it has!

I'm afraid I never noticed that you'd done that. At least someone's being proactive
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Old 16-06-2015, 21:14
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There was one post about the original series.. Nearly all the rest have been about whether that post was 'offensive' by existing.
I think you need to re-read this thread. There are a number of posts about the original series not one. Also, I may be wrong but I don't recall any posts suggesting that any post was offensive by existing. Perhaps you can point me to the post that says that!
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Old 16-06-2015, 21:28
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BiB - no, really not.

The majority of people posting on this thread are not likely to have seen the bl***y Swedish version, but they are likely to have seen ep. 1 of the UK version.
A small proportion of the posters have seen the bSv, and boy don't we know about it!
Hahahaha I haven't seen this thread since last night and it's still on the same topic - not the show but a show that hardly anyone has seen.

At least now they have their own thread:
- The Swedish version was so much better.
- Yes it was.
End of thread.


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Old 16-06-2015, 21:41
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I think you need to re-read this thread. There are a number of posts about the original series not one.
Couldn't find them myself.........there were a few further comments by me in answer to some comments regarding the original post. There were also comparisons with Ex Machina and AI which didn't perhaps oddly seem to irritate people.
Also, I may be wrong but I don't recall any posts suggesting that any post was offensive by existing. Perhaps you can point me to the post that says that!
It must have presumably offended people for them to write criticisms about it
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Old 16-06-2015, 21:46
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I was very bored so I went back and counted, I found seven posts either saying the original was better or comparing this new version to the original. I confess I do find it irritating, it drove me nuts on the Poldark thread, but at least now the original has it's own thread so hopefully everyone who prefers it can go and chat about it there and leave this thread for the new channel 4 show, Humans.

This version has Colin Morgan in so it's hard to imagine that the Swedish one could really be any better
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Old 16-06-2015, 22:05
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Couldn't find them myself.........there were a few further comments by me in answer to some comments regarding the original post. There were also comparisons with Ex Machina and AI which didn't perhaps oddly seem to irritate people.
You didn't look very hard then did you. First post (I think) was by Gillypoots on 2/6, Mickey_T on 14/6, you can look the rest up yourself if you are interested
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Old 16-06-2015, 22:06
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This version has Colin Morgan in so it's hard to imagine that the Swedish one could really be any better
Very good point
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Old 16-06-2015, 22:13
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I was very bored so I went back and counted, I found seven posts either saying the original was better or comparing this new version to the original. I confess I do find it irritating, it drove me nuts on the Poldark thread, but at least now the original has it's own thread so hopefully everyone who prefers it can go and chat about it there and leave this thread for the new channel 4 show, Humans.

This version has Colin Morgan in so it's hard to imagine that the Swedish one could really be any better
I agree with this unanimously (as Mrs Slocombe would say!).
This C4 series looks most interesting - and am loving the intrigue involved. What's our Merlin playing in this? That Anita is most hypnotic is she not??
I don't give a shit about the swedish version or whatever - not seen it - don't care about it. This is the series I want to watch!
Excellent stuff so far! How can anyone say it is 'Slow' ? I think it is moving along at a decent pace. A second series will follow, I'm sure!
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Old 16-06-2015, 22:50
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. Also, I may be wrong but I don't recall any posts suggesting that any post was offensive by existing. Perhaps you can point me to the post that says that!
Oh please there is nothing more annoying than every other post being how much better the original was

Sadly, we almost certainly will be because some people simply can't help explaining how much more sophisticated than the rest of us sad plebs are

and the other for the handful of people who have seen the Swedish original where they can go on and on about how it was so superior to the C4 offering, and bask in their mutual admiration of their membership of the discerning viewing elite?
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Old 16-06-2015, 22:56
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You didn't look very hard then did you. First post (I think) was by Gillypoots on 2/6, Mickey_T on 14/6, you can look the rest up yourself if you are interested
There's only one post directly comparing it to the original which was the one I made.
It's been compared to A.I. Les Revenants and Ex Machina without people getting upset so why the upset about comparing it to what it is actually based on?????????
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Old 16-06-2015, 23:22
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Oh please there is nothing more annoying than every other post being how much better the original was

Sadly, we almost certainly will be because some people simply can't help explaining how much more sophisticated than the rest of us sad plebs are

and the other for the handful of people who have seen the Swedish original where they can go on and on about how it was so superior to the C4 offering, and bask in their mutual admiration of their membership of the discerning viewing elite?
???????
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Old 16-06-2015, 23:26
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There's only one post directly comparing it to the original which was the one I made.
It's been compared to A.I. Les Revenants and Ex Machina without people getting upset so why the upset about comparing it to what it is actually based on?????????
There is more than just one post
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Old 16-06-2015, 23:27
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No idea how good the Swedish version is but surely the time to judge is at the end of this series?

I thought the first episode was very intriguing and look forward to seeing what happens next.
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Old 16-06-2015, 23:39
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You asked for posts that indicated offense at the mention of the original Swedish Series. Although they are not given quote reference that is exactly what Eques_99 has done. how can you not grasp that ???.


Why do any of you find mention of the Swedish roots so upsetting???????
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Old 16-06-2015, 23:45
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You asked for posts that indicated offense at the mention of the original Swedish Series. Although they are not given quote reference that is exactly what Eques_99 has done. how can you not grasp that ???.
Don't be so rude
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Old 16-06-2015, 23:52
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Don't be so rude
oh the irony...................................
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Old 16-06-2015, 23:54
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I'm enjoying this but watch with a reminding sadness wondering why Utopia had to be cancelled. Why couldn't shows like these 2 co-exist on Channel 4? Even existing within the same fictional universe, that would've been amazing.
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Old 17-06-2015, 00:31
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I'm enjoying this but watch with a reminding sadness wondering why Utopia had to be cancelled. Why couldn't shows like these 2 co-exist on Channel 4? Even existing within the same fictional universe, that would've been amazing.
Channel 4 only has so much money; they probably couldn't do both Utopia and Humans, or not without sacrificing something non-sci-fi that they don't want to lose. And Utopia was getting very poor ratings, notwithstanding the "buzz" surrounding the show from people who post on TV message boards. Humans is made by the same production company that did Utopia, Kudos, so Humans effectively replaces Utopia. Also, unlike Utopia, Humans has an American co-producer sharing the cost with Channel 4, and that alone would make Humans more attractive to Channel 4 executives than Utopia.
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Old 17-06-2015, 02:02
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Channel 4 only has so much money; they probably couldn't do both Utopia and Humans, or not without sacrificing something non-sci-fi that they don't want to lose. And Utopia was getting very poor ratings, notwithstanding the "buzz" surrounding the show from people who post on TV message boards. Humans is made by the same production company that did Utopia, Kudos, so Humans effectively replaces Utopia. Also, unlike Utopia, Humans has an American co-producer sharing the cost with Channel 4, and that alone would make Humans more attractive to Channel 4 executives than Utopia.
I believe the reason for that lies with the scheduling last year, by it's nature it was a very nocturnal series which just didn't suit a summer slot. January/February was perfect, had that been done for series 2 I think it may have pulled in enough viewers to continue one more series. I hope Humans doesn't suffer the same fate. I know that realistically producing both series would be a massive cost, but channel 4 really has produced a lot of questionable programs with funding that could have been used more wisely. I'd much rather have quality shows with filler repeats rather than a slightly higher quantity of lower quality shows with filler repeats. And it's strange that Humans has American co-production when Utopia is getting a US remake.
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Old 17-06-2015, 02:36
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And it's strange that Humans has American co-production when Utopia is getting a US remake.
When Utopia was in the development stage, I don't know if Channel 4 even tried to bring in an American co-producer. The BBC has sought out American co-producers for shows as a matter of course for many decades, but Channel 4 was never interested in that sort of thing -- until recently deciding to change their policy. It was too late for Utopia, and with HBO deciding to do a remake, Channel 4 likely thought their own version would probably just end up being put in the shade of the much more expensive HBO version even if the UK Utopia kept going. But with an American co-producer (AMC) on board with Humans right from the start, Channel 4 is not only saving money because the costs of the show are split, there is less chance that the Americans will just buy rights from the Swedes to do their own version and thus steal thunder in the English-speaking world from the UK-set series.
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Old 17-06-2015, 09:06
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Here's an interview with the Swedish versions creator:
Lars Lundstrom

Interestingly his comment:

Lundstrom says he has no problem with Humans, an eight-episode remake of the Swedish series by Channel 4 and America’s AMC. He says the scripts are “great” and appreciates the fact that the new series is “similar, but differs a lot as well”. “It’s not a carbon copy, which would be boring,” he added.

Which is rather at odds with the pieces title

Fact is that although a lot of the chattering classes will watch subtitled dramas, many will not especially in the US. I admit to only watching a few subtitled ones myself
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Old 17-06-2015, 09:14
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I thought HUMANS was brilliant, an engrossing sci-fi story but rooted in the reality of a typical British family (ie not a complete fantasy setting). Some interesting questions raised about life and morality. Will definitely be watching next week

Quick bit of trivia - William Hurt also starred in the film AI ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE, which HUMANS story has a slight resemblance too
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Old 17-06-2015, 09:19
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Apart from the hideous beard, I am enjoying Humans.
Shave it off then!
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