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Humans - Channel 4
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Brass Drag0n
23-06-2015
Excellent bluff-age by Anita, come across as just weird/odd enough to get yourself returned to the dealership/factory while not actually doing anything concrete or that would get you scrapped.

Well that's now three of our motley band of rebels that have show they aren't "Three Laws" compliant - nice escape plan Niska.

I wonder if the reveal is going to be that all Synths have a "soul" but that the majority have it locked away behind layers and layers of programming?
seejay63
23-06-2015
Originally Posted by mabbus-cattus1:
“Which one is Vera? School or Health Worker? I'm terrible remembering names.”

She's the bossy nurse.
EmilyJEG
23-06-2015
Originally Posted by seejay63:
“She's the bossy nurse.”

Maybe she's a human disguised as a synth who has been sent to spy on him to try and discover some of his secrets. After all, he says he helped create them so maybe someone is trying to find out more.
mabbus-cattus1
23-06-2015
Originally Posted by seejay63:
“She's the bossy nurse.”

Thank you.
thefairydandy
23-06-2015
Originally Posted by EmilyJEG:
“Maybe she's a human disguised as a synth who has been sent to spy on him to try and discover some of his secrets. After all, he says he helped create them so maybe someone is trying to find out more.”

I thought she was a synth sent to keep him under control and keep him secret.
EmilyJEG
23-06-2015
I haven't a clue really, I just keep having random ideas and thought I'd share them

Surely if all of the nurse synths behaved like that, there'd have been news reports and people would have some idea of what to expect? It doesn't seem right that she's only just arrived and she's already being abusive (in a way) - I'm sure there'd be uproar if that's how all older people were treated. She's a synth - there's no reason for her to be so unpleasant. Maybe she'll get worse and Odi will end up being the one who saves George from her.
koantemplation
23-06-2015
Originally Posted by EmilyJEG:
“I haven't a clue really, I just keep having random ideas and thought I'd share them

Surely if all of the nurse synths behaved like that, there'd have been news reports and people would have some idea of what to expect? It doesn't seem right that she's only just arrived and she's already being abusive (in a way) - I'm sure there'd be uproar if that's how all older people were treated. She's a synth - there's no reason for her to be so unpleasant. Maybe she'll get worse and Odi will end up being the one who saves George from her.”

She's programmed to be like that, so social services condone her behaviour.

As with most abuse the abused are often not believed especially when they are already vulnerable, such as being elderly or disabled.
Charnham
23-06-2015
also liking the idea of synths driving a car, it would seem that whilst robots are deemed intelligent enough to drive a car, in this universe no one has given that intelligence to an actual car
koantemplation
23-06-2015
Originally Posted by Brass Drag0n:
“Excellent bluff-age by Anita, come across as just weird/odd enough to get yourself returned to the dealership/factory while not actually doing anything concrete or that would get you scrapped.

Well that's now three of our motley band of rebels that have show they aren't "Three Laws" compliant - nice escape plan Niska.

I wonder if the reveal is going to be that all Synths have a "soul" but that the majority have it locked away behind layers and layers of programming?”

It might be that they have used the brain patterns of dead people to create their personalities, and that's why some of them are more human like than other bots. Either because the less bots haven't had the personality transplant, or because in these ones the personality has started to come through due to the person's memories leaking in them.
Thrombin
23-06-2015
Originally Posted by koantemplation:
“She's programmed to be like that, so social services condone her behaviour.

As with most abuse the abused are often not believed especially when they are already vulnerable, such as being elderly or disabled.”

But what do you do with old, stubborn, people in a compromised mental state who don't want to take their medicine or insist on doing things dangerous to their well-being? Maybe her manner could be less stern but would it really be different for a human nurse?

Do you just give up and let them continue to kill themselves? Is it really a kindness to let them have their way?
olivej
23-06-2015
Originally Posted by WinterFire:
“Perhaps the reason that Anita does not want to 'share' with other synths is not just because it will give the game away, perhaps sharing would spread the/a virus. I'm deliberately staying away from any of the information about the Swedish series, as I don't want to know spoilers. I already knew about the cyborg reveal because I read too much. Now the show is caught up to what I know, and what happens next is a mystery.

I missed the show on Sunday but caught up last night. Enjoying it so far and looking forward to next Sunday.

I've got a sort of perverse wish that Vera will turn out to be one of the advanced/sentient/emotional synths, doing a much better job of hiding herself than any of the others.”

I thought the older daughter told her mum that synths share telepathically? all she saw was Anita and the other synth standing in front of each other so how does she know that Anita wasnt sharing

yes, the other synth said hello and Anita didnt response but the daughter surely cant know that Anita wasnt sharing......

or have I got that completely wrong
koantemplation
23-06-2015
Originally Posted by Thrombin:
“But what do you do with old, stubborn, people in a compromised mental state who don't want to take their medicine or insist on doing things dangerous to their well-being? Maybe her manner could be less stern but would it really be different for a human nurse?

Do you just give up and let them continue to kill themselves? Is it really a kindness to let them have their way?”

The bot is programmed to report any behaviour like that to the authorities, then a human would come around and judge if they need to be taken in to care.
koantemplation
23-06-2015
Originally Posted by olivej:
“I thought the older daughter told her mum that synths share telepathically? all she saw was Anita and the other synth standing in front of each other so how does she know that Anita wasnt sharing

yes, the other synth said hello and Anita didnt response but the daughter surely cant know that Anita wasnt sharing......

or have I got that completely wrong ”

She heard the other synth ask why Anita wasn't sharing with him. They obviously share via wireless, not 'telepathically'.
trevvytrev21
23-06-2015
Confused by the mixed signals about Anita and the youngest. Took her out in the night, suggesting malevolence, then getting shipped out by going against programming by hugging her when she was upset?
koantemplation
23-06-2015
Originally Posted by trevvytrev21:
“Confused by the mixed signals about Anita and the youngest. Took her out in the night, suggesting malevolence, then getting shipped out by going against programming by hugging her when she was upset? ”

Perhaps her memories involve the death of a child (or her as a child)?
olivej
23-06-2015
Originally Posted by koantemplation:
“She heard the other synth ask why Anita wasn't sharing with him. They obviously share via wireless, not 'telepathically'.”

ah, thanks sharing wirelessly makes much more sense! seeing as they are robots silly me
Flash525
23-06-2015
Maybe Anita isn't a true synth? Maybe she's like Leo (or somewhere closer to him anyway?)
Tourista
23-06-2015
Originally Posted by Charnham:
“also liking the idea of synths driving a car, it would seem that whilst robots are deemed intelligent enough to drive a car, in this universe no one has given that intelligence to an actual car”

In this they are following the logic of the original Asimov robot stories in that it is cheaper to produce 1 "positronic" brained robot to operate various machines than put a positronic brain in every machine.
Charnham
23-06-2015
Originally Posted by Tourista:
“In this they are following the logic of the original Asimov robot stories in that it is cheaper to produce 1 "positronic" brained robot to operate various machines than put a positronic brain in every machine.”

I do not 100% disagree with that, HOWEVER that is not how the world works, even if the synths were developed by a few companys in competiton (like we get with smart phones) other firms use that technolgy themselves. Our world would now allow for them to develop in a vacum, without parts of them being applied to other things, such as cars. Heck we are not that far off self driving cars really, the mind from even the first generation of synths would soon be put under the hood of a car, by a car company.
WinterFire
23-06-2015
Originally Posted by trevvytrev21:
“Confused by the mixed signals about Anita and the youngest. Took her out in the night, suggesting malevolence, then getting shipped out by going against programming by hugging her when she was upset? ”

I think the lack of logic is an important part of the plot. She's not acting in a simple, predictable, fashion. And that's an important part of who she is.
Alrightmate
23-06-2015
Originally Posted by WinterFire:
“Perhaps the reason that Anita does not want to 'share' with other synths is not just because it will give the game away, perhaps sharing would spread the/a virus. I'm deliberately staying away from any of the information about the Swedish series, as I don't want to know spoilers. I already knew about the cyborg reveal because I read too much. Now the show is caught up to what I know, and what happens next is a mystery.

I missed the show on Sunday but caught up last night. Enjoying it so far and looking forward to next Sunday.

I've got a sort of perverse wish that Vera will turn out to be one of the advanced/sentient/emotional synths, doing a much better job of hiding herself than any of the others.”

You may well be right, because that point was made and I'd gather that there would be a reason for that point to be made.
DODS11
23-06-2015
Presumably Colin Morgan's character is the child in the water that Anita has flashbacks of. His 'inventor' father saved his son's life by turning him half-synth
Thrombin
23-06-2015
Originally Posted by WinterFire:
“I think the lack of logic is an important part of the plot. She's not acting in a simple, predictable, fashion. And that's an important part of who she is.”

What I don't get is how the kid could have been taken out in the pouring rain, got her pyjamas soaked, then been changed out of them all without waking up!

Was she drugged? Did she have her memory wiped? Was she just a very sound sleeper?
WinterFire
23-06-2015
Originally Posted by Thrombin:
“What I don't get is how the kid could have been taken out in the pouring rain, got her pyjamas soaked, then been changed out of them all without waking up!

Was she drugged? Did she have her memory wiped? Was she just a very sound sleeper? ”

I suspect the last of these reasons.
Doctor_Wibble
23-06-2015
Originally Posted by WinterFire:
“I suspect the last of these reasons.”

And if she did wake up, she probably thought the house angel Anita was taking her on a magical night flight* - I am sure the reason will become apparent and am half-hoping that the flashbacks we have been seeing are an entirely misleading part of the picture, mainly because of the way they are being put to us.





* not snowing, wrong time of year, no musical interlude, just don't go there
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