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Old 28-06-2015, 22:31
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When Anita had her 'moment' did her eyes turn human before turning back to green again? And if so, what does it mean? Could it be she isn't actually a full-on synth if you know what i mean?
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Old 28-06-2015, 22:39
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If she was made using a human personality or memories, it might be the past memories that evoke her reaction to men.

E.g. perhaps the human she is modeled on was in an abusive relationship.
I'm remembering that horrible bit last week when she was screaming between clients. She's not properly full-synth and I assume able to internalise the trauma for that reason..
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Old 28-06-2015, 22:45
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What did it say in Niska's book? And where did it come from?
I'm awful at paying attention !
... well, presumably her pocket ... but that doesn't explain how she kept it through being abducted, sold etc ... (ETA - maybe the humansynths have dead drops somewhere with cash, clothing legend etc *has watched too much spooks*)

The book is "The Ghost in the Machine" by Arthur Koestler and the inscription is

To Niska,
"Primum Non Nocere"
Love
D.E.

Primum Non Nocere is Latin for First do No Harm ... (thanks google!) ... which seems pretty apt for Niska!
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Old 28-06-2015, 22:48
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When Anita had her 'moment' did her eyes turn human before turning back to green again? And if so, what does it mean? Could it be she isn't actually a full-on synth if you know what i mean?
We know she isn't a full on synth - she's one of the modified ones that Danny Webb is trying to track down. But she's also go the complication of the system wipe that Paul Kaye mentioned.
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Old 28-06-2015, 23:14
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We know she isn't a full on synth - she's one of the modified ones that Danny Webb is trying to track down. But she's also go the complication of the system wipe that Paul Kaye mentioned.
What i meant to say was maybe she isnt a synth made to look human but a human made to look synth.

She is showing too many human qualities - the flashbacks, the empathy, the sensing of danger for the boy on his bike.

The flashback scenes with the car in the water are interesting because they are showing panic and fear with the occupants desperately wanting to escape - surely not actions of a synth who would calmly assess the situation to preserve itself and with the strength to break the door shown by the nurse synth also gives hints that a car window could be broken to escape rather than the desperate tugging at the car door latch.

I'm also thinking it is no accident Anita is where she is. She knows to search for something and maybe this 'Tom' character was in the car with her underwater.

Taking this to an illogical extreme, maybe Laura was somehow involved in the issue of human to synth mods. Maybe it's even a sort of alternate dignitas clinic where dying humans live on as synths but something went wrong.

Just some brain farts i thought i would throw out there! Feel free to rubbish them!
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Old 28-06-2015, 23:33
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Who is Hobbs? Was he involved with the creation of the human-like synths do we know?
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Old 28-06-2015, 23:39
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I actually like Anita now. What is this?!?
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Old 28-06-2015, 23:41
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What i meant to say was maybe she isnt a synth made to look human but a human made to look synth.

She is showing too many human qualities - the flashbacks, the empathy, the sensing of danger for the boy on his bike.

The flashback scenes with the car in the water are interesting because they are showing panic and fear with the occupants desperately wanting to escape - surely not actions of a synth who would calmly assess the situation to preserve itself and with the strength to break the door shown by the nurse synth also gives hints that a car window could be broken to escape rather than the desperate tugging at the car door latch.

I'm also thinking it is no accident Anita is where she is. She knows to search for something and maybe this 'Tom' character was in the car with her underwater.

Taking this to an illogical extreme, maybe Laura was somehow involved in the issue of human to synth mods. Maybe it's even a sort of alternate dignitas clinic where dying humans live on as synths but something went wrong.

Just some brain farts i thought i would throw out there! Feel free to rubbish them!
I agree, I mean, can a synth even drown? Do they breathe? Why would a synth even panic in such a situation? I feel that Anita has some sort of human memory locked away inside.
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Old 29-06-2015, 00:09
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Was slightly slower in places tonight this episode, very good though. Looking forward to next Sunday. 👍
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Old 29-06-2015, 00:13
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Was it not Leo having the dream about banging on the car window from the inside and from his perspective...?
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Old 29-06-2015, 00:33
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I'm enjoying this show more and more as we go along, looking forward to seeing how all the threads join up and play out.

I'm a bit surprised how many people find the mum annoying, while she's not the most sympathetic character she's at least understandable (while she's being over-dramatic about a lot of things it's clearly coming from her feeling uncomfortable around Anita and her fear of being displaced). I find the dad far worse, closely followed by the bratty kids, this week especially I felt he came off as a really unsympathetic jerk.
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Old 29-06-2015, 00:34
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I'm remembering that horrible bit last week when she was screaming between clients. She's not properly full-synth and I assume able to internalise the trauma for that reason..
As one of the evolved (for want of a better term) synths she has human feelings, and she can definitely feel pain because when Leo came to see her he asked "Have you turned off your pain sensors like I told you to?" and she said she hadn't. So I can see her being traumatised by her experiences, although her reaction to that trauma is clearly going to extremes, I thought the guy who took her home from the bar was dead for sure.

The book is "The Ghost in the Machine" by Arthur Koestler and the inscription is

To Niska,
"Primum Non Nocere"
Love
D.E.

Primum Non Nocere is Latin for First do No Harm ... (thanks google!) ... which seems pretty apt for Niska!
Thanks for that, I managed to read the to and love bits, but didn't get the middle. Another quick google search reveals that the book is about humanity's tendency towards self-destruction and a theory of how primitive brain structures can overpower our rational logic to explain hate, anger etc. So between that and the meaning of the inscription some definite foreshadowing/indications to Niska's nature going on I think. Interesting that her "father" must have given her the book some time ago, so I assume her personality has tended towards the emotionally volatile since she was created.

The flashback scenes with the car in the water are interesting because they are showing panic and fear with the occupants desperately wanting to escape - surely not actions of a synth who would calmly assess the situation to preserve itself and with the strength to break the door shown by the nurse synth also gives hints that a car window could be broken to escape rather than the desperate tugging at the car door latch.

I'm also thinking it is no accident Anita is where she is. She knows to search for something and maybe this 'Tom' character was in the car with her underwater.
The flashbacks are also interesting because the evolved synth (Fred I think?) who has been captured also had memories of being underwater but in them Anita/Mia is shown as being happy, they are swimming around together and smiling. Can't tell at this point if those memories are directly linked to the parts with the car or if that happened before/after. Maybe the family will go off on holiday and go swimming and trigger something in Anita.

At the moment I'm definitely thinking that Tom is Laura's younger brother and that he drowned. Whether or not that'll be directly related to Anita's memories of being trapped underwater I'm less sure on, it might just be a general link/parallel between her story and Laura's; I'm assuming that the evolved synths must be fairly new (given that Odi has been said to be from the first run of synths and he's only 6 years old) so if whatever happened with Tom happened when Laura was a child or teenager I don't see how Anita could be involved.
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Old 29-06-2015, 00:37
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I think with Anita she was trained by the synth makers to be nurturing, like the Dr's synth is trained to be a nurse, each has got its on traits, in order to do this with Anita they needed to create a synthetic child too, and when Colin's character freed Anita and the child they became a family but the child was lost when they had an accident where they were all drowning, that's why Anita is so fearful of children and like so much a homebody type.

The Eastern european one the blonde girl that was trained to be a prostitute, and when Colin went to see her he told her to switch off her pain trait so though she was hurting and hated what was happening to her by the men using them, but she didn't want to return to being just a machine she wanted to keep her human traits of feeling, so she kept it on, now that she's killed a customer she seems to want to blend into society like a human (hide her synth eye colour) but her intention is to kill again all men that illtreat women, cheating boyfriends/husbands that kind of thing, it reminded me of that film "monster" that Charlize Theron did where a woman was on death row for doing exactly what this synth is doing, I felt they were copying that, she wants to kill all her previous customers or men who are like that.
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Old 29-06-2015, 00:58
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... I find the dad far worse, closely followed by the bratty kids, this week especially I felt he came off as a really unsympathetic jerk.
Though to his credit, at least he had the decency to be awkward when inspecting for damage! Am I reading too much into it when he was saying "it's not real" she said "I'm not real" with what seemed like a very 'I am' sense not 'this unit concurs with your assessment'?

Anita is definitely very sensitive to people's emotional states and aside from the Frahnkenshteen* possibility, I'd be looking at some form of 'emotion chip' or experimental empathic functions. And something involving self-worth (as opposed to price tag). So was she smirking back when she said "I'm watching you too Laura. You're right in front of me"? Or is there an out-take reel with 239 takes of everyone failing to keep a straight face?

I thought when she grabbed Mattie's wrist that was going to be it and didn't expect the 'help me' bit, nicely done that one.

Niska is definitely broken, either that or she's a re-programmed killbot returning to type but hindered by those pesky moral consequences things.

Also I think Nurse Blucher* needs that strength to be able to restrain patients 'for their own good' so it's not necessarily unwarranted even if a bit scary.


* sorry both times
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Old 29-06-2015, 01:16
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Haha tell me what you think - it's the one with the brown bob.
I don't think it is - though that doesn't mean she won't turn up somewhere later of course!

... Just say the policewoman is a synth ...
If she isn't she's doing a very good job of pretending to be one! We are either being highly offensive or highly complimentary about her acting abilities, this may or may not be a question that gets answered...
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Old 29-06-2015, 01:41
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yes got to agree with the comments the police woman is acting alot like a synth, it does seem like there are some later model synths who have been programmed really well with passing for humans, and learning feelings.

I wonder if this maybe the Data / Lore thing, in that Lore came first, but because he has feelings, he seems more advanced, but Data came second as the planet folk were scared of Lore, and didnt trust him.

Anita would certainly be an example of such a synth, she is reading feelings alot better than you would expect of a machine, and then acting on them in a fashion alot of human people would not consider, to say nothing of her curiosity. We all know of course Antia is more advanced than the every day synth, it seems like the coding that makes her "alive" is filterning into her standard synth coding.

Saying that not all the "human synths" seem to react to emotions so well, the blonde synth for example slightly over reacting to women's hair bands, but yeah she is right to call out Colin Morgans character on the fact he would not ask a human female to hide in a brothel.

One thing I found strange in the episode however was the idea of a public charging point, how poor a battery do these synths have, they need to charge in public? they all have one in either a home, or the workplace of their owners, Antia doesnt seem to need a charge beyond the standard night charge, yet there are models who need to charge out in public?

Dont care for the Jill Halfpenny bits, if they are only there to give the cop a reason to dislike synths, then they are not really needed.
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Old 29-06-2015, 07:52
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Did anyone catch the mention that there were 5 synths that were created by the rogue doctor?

So Niska, Fred, the captured one, Mia/Anita and who? I don't think Leo could count - he's a human with mechanical parts. Odi is another option, but he seems very primitive compared to the others. The policewoman, maybe.
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Old 29-06-2015, 07:57
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Quite liking the show thus far, but the acting and dialogue leave a lot to be desired.

The synths are fine, it's most of the humans who are wooden and one dimensional. William Hurt is a class apart in this company.
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Old 29-06-2015, 08:57
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Quite liking the show thus far, but the acting and dialogue leave a lot to be desired.

The synths are fine, it's most of the humans who are wooden and one dimensional. William Hurt is a class apart in this company.
Same, I'm not sure if it's the script thats focussing the wooden acting or just the actors?

Did anyone else noticed that leo mentioned he had the same memory as the synths?
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Old 29-06-2015, 09:05
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Did anyone catch the mention that there were 5 synths that were created by the rogue doctor?
Good question, we have:
Fred the gardener (captured in a garden centre as 'no.41')
Niska the killbot ho (need I say more)
Max the sidekick (and friend/brother)
Anita the house angel (nee Mia, soon to get a no-CD patch)
and possibly Odi the surrogate son (and mobile but faulty aide-memoire)

Unless as you suggest Odi is not a part of that 5 and is kept for sentimental reasons and/or the prof didn't want to have to teach a new one all over again if e.g. the sharing thing wasn't working or the memory transfer/copy doesn't work that way.

So there might be a 'spare' out there not yet accounted for and the number 5 was given a caveat of 'I think' so maybe that should be 'that we know about'...

As for the public charging point, that sounds eminently sensible because there's any number of reasons that a charge might run low at an inopportune moment, e.g. having to use a lot of power trashing a sturdy door or even just a load of really heavy shopping.
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Old 29-06-2015, 09:16
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I'm enjoying the concept, the characters and the plot.

But it is slow

I don't mind 'slow' when it builds atmosphere, or lets you take in the quality (scenery, cinematography, layers of meaning, acting etc)

But Humans doesn't have any of that. So 'slow' becomes 'turgid' and a chore to watch.

Don't get me wrong - I am enjoying it and there is a good sense of intrigue. But I wish it would get a blooming move on!
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Old 29-06-2015, 09:19
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Watching episode one again with my husband. A certificate is displayed in George's house saying:

Dr G. Millican & Dr D. Elster
Innovation in Engineering Award
1996(?) in Robotic Control

Could Dr D. Elster be Leo's dad? (ETA: Just heard 'David Elster' mentioned as creating the 'rogue' synths)

Also Joe says to Laura something about her parents dying when she was young. In the photo album there's a picture of her in 1985 with her mum, I think. She could be around Sophie's age in the pic. If Anita is really her mum then maybe that's why she feels a special connection to Sophie She has her first flashback of two people clutching each other underwater when she looks at a picture of a woman - Laura or her mum - holding a tiny baby.

Someone said that Anita is destroying the family, but in episode one, Joe says to Toby that he should ride his bike to his friend's house and makes a sarcastic remark about 'that thing with two wheels' (or along those lines) and implies he's never used it, then in episode two they are riding together and having a great time - so they seem to have benefited from having her around.

So this is who gave Niska the book! ... seems like she could view him as a father figure.

When was it mentioned in the shows that Dr Elster created the rogue synths?
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Old 29-06-2015, 09:29
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I'm enjoying this show more and more as we go along, looking forward to seeing how all the threads join up and play out.

I'm a bit surprised how many people find the mum annoying, while she's not the most sympathetic character she's at least understandable (while she's being over-dramatic about a lot of things it's clearly coming from her feeling uncomfortable around Anita and her fear of being displaced). I find the dad far worse, closely followed by the bratty kids, this week especially I felt he came off as a really unsympathetic jerk.
The kid who's determined to hack every Synth she finds is annoying. The others don't bother me.

How old is that kid supposed to be? Because she acts like a moody two year old.
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Old 29-06-2015, 10:33
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One thing I found strange in the episode however was the idea of a public charging point, how poor a battery do these synths have, they need to charge in public? they all have one in either a home, or the workplace of their owners, Antia doesnt seem to need a charge beyond the standard night charge, yet there are models who need to charge out in public?
Maybe the batteries are made by Apple?

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Old 29-06-2015, 10:34
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I can't believe they had the mom walk with the bike lmao
The mother is being side-lined in favour of the robot. Sad to see.
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