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I think she was deliberately made subtly 'robotty'. If she'd been completely indistinguishable from humans it would have been ultra creepy and probably a step too far when you look at where the technology is.
So I think the actress was directed to make some expressions/movements synth-like. Several people had already been questioning her and saying there was something a little odd about her. I thought there was going to be an Autism or similar reveal, to explain away her 'oddness' |
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Shame they arnt Amazon
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I thought that was a red herring, the clues were so obvious, even I picked up on them.
I thought there was going to be an Autism or similar reveal, to explain away her 'oddness' |
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Mattie sees synths as nothing more than machines and demonstrated her anger at them and lack of caring when shooting Odi and trying to shoot Anita. Yet when it came to the party scene she suddenly went all protective and, normal.
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I didn't understand this either - but maybe Odi isn't only 6 years old. Maybe it's just that the paperwork George has says he's owned him for 6 years but really he was around much longer?
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If she considered the synths objects she would not have
considered it akin to date rape but she might have objected to the idea that it was akin to simulation of date rape. Just being disgusted that they were planning to act out some perverse fantasy with a doll. Personally I think it was more than that. I think her exposure to Anita is changing her mind about synths. She's started to see them in a new light. |
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If she considered the synths objects she would not have considered it akin to date rape but she might have objected to the idea that it was akin to simulation of date rape.
But because these look so much like actual people, a synth - in particular one that you were just talking to and have just switched off - does not look any different from a human and I think that would cross the line in any case, regardless of whether or not one was aware of the machine having simulated (or even real) 'feelings'. An entirely inanimate shell I think would be different - still a bit weird though... Quote:
When did she shoot Odi? I remember her shooting a neighbours synth.
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Indeed, her view has changed especially after her attempt to hack Anita.
A very definite wake-up call which on the one hand might be dismissed (after heart-rate goes back to normal) as a programmer's joke or easter egg but on the other would be disturbing enough to be the proverbial 'this changes everything'.
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Oh sod off Anita, you glorified Dyson!
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Either watch the flippin' programme or try something else, but don't waste forum time asking damn fool questions!
![]() Funny thing is the way I feel this evening, as I was watching it I thought I wish I could be a synth. Wouldn't it just be nice to not have to sleep, eat, be able to just switch off. And not have to deal with people's crappy emotions. That's what a week at work does to me.
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I think she was deliberately made subtly 'robotty'. If she'd been completely indistinguishable from humans it would have been ultra creepy and probably a step too far when you look at where the technology is.
So I think the actress was directed to make some expressions/movements synth-like. Several people had already been questioning her and saying there was something a little odd about her. Quote:
I thought that was a red herring, the clues were so obvious, even I picked up on them.
I thought there was going to be an Autism or similar reveal, to explain away her 'oddness' Quote:
A couple of things (mainly in this thread) have made me think about autism in relation to this show but I don't think they'd go there. When some of the key ideas are around what makes us human - empathy, recognsing emotions etc - adding in autism would just make it far too messy.
I'm talking about Female copper who's now been revealed to be a synth. I thought the clues in her behaviour were too obvious and it would be a red herring and she'd turn out to be autistic. |
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I haven't a bally clue what you're on about here.
I'm talking about Female copper who's now been revealed to be a synth. I thought the clues in her behaviour were too obvious and it would be a red herring and she'd turn out to be autistic. |
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but in the end there is no real difference between a blow up doll, and a rampant rabbit, both do a similar thing, im not sure why some find one gross, but not the other, seems to be a double standard.
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Mattie sees synths as nothing more than machines and demonstrated her anger at them and lack of caring when shooting Odi and trying to shoot Anita. Yet when it came to the party scene she suddenly went all protective and, normal.
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I think it's mostly because one of them goes further in trying to emulate a whole person. Most dildos don't go out of their way to look like real penises, and don't bother at all with the rest of the man. They are mechanical surrogates rather than emotional ones.
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I agree with your review of dildos, however I disagree that synths are emotional subtitles, they offer nothing themselves, any emotion is projected onto them by the owner.
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We were talking about real sex dolls rather than synths, and those are even less good emotional surrogates. And that's why we look down on people for treating them as such. There's a feeling there must be something wrong with a man who'd rather have a doll than a woman.
for the record i have neither |
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I agree with your review of dildos
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agreed the choice of doll over woman is wrong, but when you dont have a woman, doll maybe considered a valid option.
for the record i have neither ![]() ![]() Who would have thought a thread on the Sci-fi sub-forum would bring about this line of conversation. ![]() Quote:
Nothing to add to the discussion, other than that comment simply cracked me up (in the context of the conversation)
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i wonder why they haven't made child synths,they could be for people that can't have children or as a play friend for another child.
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i wonder why they haven't made child synths,they could be for people that can't have children or as a play friend for another child.
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![]() ![]() Who would have thought a thread on the Sci-fi sub-forum would bring about this line of conversation. ![]() Me too. "I agree with your review of dildos" was certainly not something I had anticipated reading. The chances of anything beating that to post of the thread must be pretty remote. ![]() Quote:
i wonder why they haven't made child synths,they could be for people that can't have children or as a play friend for another child.
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i wonder why they haven't made child synths,they could be for people that can't have children or as a play friend for another child.
Even if they don't, if it's the source of knowledge and guidance instead of parents, nanny etc then what response does "Teddy, I'm going to kill a man" get...? Who hacked your synth nanny? Why does your child suddenly think it's OK to shout "Bogies!" in the supermarket queue? |
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im not going to try to.
I think parents tend to hope for the best with their children, that they will get friends, and develop social skills, to buy a synth for you kids seems like you think that wont happen. |
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I agree with your review of dildos,
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however I disagree that synths are emotional subtitles, they offer nothing themselves, any emotion is projected onto them by the owner.
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I think parents tend to hope for the best with their children, that they will get friends, and develop social skills, to buy a synth for you kids seems like you think that wont happen.
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Exactly. And as for giving them to people who can't have children - bit insulting to suggest you can replace not having a child with something that has to be charged overnight. Anyway don't we have pets for that? And they have genuine interactions with their owners (so I'm told).
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Actually I got the idea the father had bought David back from the dead as part human part synth. It to do with the flash backs for the drowning scenes which could have happened 14 years ago. This was the next stage that George disagreed with and left the program, a total human/synth hybrid. David was the first and he was working on the other 5 but only got as far as making them self aware.
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Agree with both these points. I can't see how there would be a big enough market for child synths to make them worthwhile, I think the vast majority of people would be unsettled by the very idea.
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We've seen child robots done before, remember Haley Joel Osment in AI?
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agreed the choice of doll over woman is wrong, but when you dont have a woman, doll maybe considered a valid option.
At the risk of being sexist, maybe there's an element of defensiveness about it. Maybe women feel more threatened by sex dolls than men do by vibrators; even more than pornography. |
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