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We've seen child robots done before, remember Haley Joel Osment in AI?
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And they have a child robot in Extant.
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But surely it doesn't matter if the emotion is projected? If a person was choosing to have a relationship with a synth, instead of trying to have one with another human, I think it would be fair to say that they were using it as an emotional surrogate.
1) we can project feelings on to anything, for the most part we love our cars, some even giving them names etc 2) we are new at having synths, humans are still not fully used to having them in our lives, maybe they used to them doing jobs, but I think synths being in peoples homes came later than commercial synths, so we really dont know how to react to them, hence we 1. 3) they ARE massive whole body dildos, in this world we can all agree that dildos come in many shapes, colours and sizes (along aside a large amount of other sex toys, some more creepy than others). Aside from having the correct body parts, they are a blank canvas created to serve us, the synth itself may not add emotion, but you can project anything you like onto them feelings wise, and they will do nothing to give you another impression. The way humans dont really know how to act around synths yet (2) and the fact we tend to add human feelings to objects (1) means its almost unavoidable we would do the same thing to synths, and if someone is lacking intimacy in their life/relationship, its going to be very interesting to project that on to a synth, Jill Halfpennys character, is an excellent example of this., her synth being hunky, and gives the appearance of being the idea man. Whilst a dildo will only ever be a sexual surrogate, synths are surrogates for human feelings, and a relationship. |
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Yes, but then the fact that no woman will have him is itself a reason to think there must be something wrong with him. All the more so as he has given up trying.
At the risk of being sexist, maybe there's an element of defensiveness about it. Maybe women feel more threatened by sex dolls than men do by vibrators; even more than pornography. As far as women feeling more threatened by them, I dont buy it, its out male cop who feels useless in his relationship, with his wife due to his synth not vice versa. If you are troubled by sex, then well lets be honest the whore house of synths is hardly ground breaking, such places exist, be it strippers or whore houses, the women in them being as equally unfeeling as the synths involved. |
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they ARE massive whole body dildos, in this world we can all agree that dildos come in many shapes, colours and sizes (along aside a large amount of other sex toys, some more creepy than others). Aside from having the correct body parts, they are a blank canvas created to serve us, the synth itself may not add emotion, but you can project anything you like onto them feelings wise, and they will do nothing to give you another impression. The way humans dont really know how to act around synths yet (2) and the fact we tend to add human feelings to objects (1) means its almost unavoidable we would do the same thing to synths, and if someone is lacking intimacy in their life/relationship, its going to be very interesting to project that on to a synth, Jill Halfpennys character, is an excellent example of this., her synth being hunky, and gives the appearance of being the idea man. Whilst a dildo will only ever be a sexual surrogate, synths are surrogates for human feelings, and a relationship.
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Where can I get one?
![]() I note the websites mentions an all day battery, again why do we need charging points? |
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http://www.personasynthetics.com/
I note the websites mentions an all day battery, again why do we need charging points?
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I note the websites mentions an all day battery, again why do we need charging points?
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I note the websites mentions an all day battery, again why do we need charging points?
A synth on an 'uninteresting day' may well exceed the one-day boundary, but if you are having a party and send it out to buy unfeasibly vast quantities of beer, carrying all that is going to use a lot more power than ironing a couple of rolls and a tin of tuna. Likewise dodging traffic, pulling trains, leaping tall buildings with a single bound... |
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Finally caught up with the first four episodes last night (went on holiday just as it started) - and am totally hooked
My H worked out that the policewoman was a synth (apparently it was "obvious" - just not to me!) Am looking forward to the rest of the series - just need to catch up on this thread now Still want to know why Leo is a different synth from the others - was he a prototype? Was he in love with Anita/Mia before she was a synth? Were they made synths at the same time - but then why is Leo different from the others? Is the policewoman another of this group of Elster's synths? What's in Elster's code? Why did Doctor George leave the project? What's going to happen to poor Odi left alone in the woods "Is this a game, George?" ?So many questions! |
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Still want to know why Leo is a different synth from the others - was he a prototype? Was he in love with Anita/Mia before she was a synth? Were they made synths at the same time - but then why is Leo different from the others? !
What presumably happened is that Elser used Synth technology to keep Leo's body alive and his mind intact. We know Leo is human as he has red blood and needs to eat and drink. We know he has Synth tech as his brain can read programs and he can be powered by electricity. |
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Finally caught up with the first four episodes last night (went on holiday just as it started) - and am totally hooked
My H worked out that the policewoman was a synth (apparently it was "obvious" - just not to me!) Am looking forward to the rest of the series - just need to catch up on this thread now Still want to know why Leo is a different synth from the others - was he a prototype? Was he in love with Anita/Mia before she was a synth? Were they made synths at the same time - but then why is Leo different from the others? Is the policewoman another of this group of Elster's synths? What's in Elster's code? Why did Doctor George leave the project? What's going to happen to poor Odi left alone in the woods "Is this a game, George?" ?So many questions! ![]() I think the working theory at the moment is that Leo was David Elster's son and something must have happened to him (most likely explanation would be he drowned given all the underwater flashbacks) and Elster saved his life by using his synth technology, making Leo some kind of cyborg. Hoping we get some Odi this week, I want to know if he's run out of power yet and if he's still just hiding. |
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I can't seem to access the Shop feature to order one.
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AFAWK Leo is David Elser's actual human son. As a child Leo was in a car accident where he may have drowned (Mia was probably in the same accident) . He is officially listed as dead.
What presumably happened is that Elser used Synth technology to keep Leo's body alive and his mind intact. We know Leo is human as he has red blood and needs to eat and drink. We know he has Synth tech as his brain can read programs and he can be powered by electricity. Quote:
Hey Smint!
![]() I think the working theory at the moment is that Leo was David Elster's son and something must have happened to him (most likely explanation would be he drowned given all the underwater flashbacks) and Elster saved his life by using his synth technology, making Leo some kind of cyborg. Hoping we get some Odi this week, I want to know if he's run out of power yet and if he's still just hiding. ![]() Poor Odi! ![]() Hi Nat! It's Saturday we're seeing Rupert, isn't it?
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But if Mia was in the same accident, why isn't she the same sort of synth as Leo? She's so much more advanced than Leo, even though she's supposed to be 14 - that's the bit I don't understand, Unless she's been upgraded and Leo hasn't?
![]() Poor Odi! ![]() Hi Nat! It's Saturday we're seeing Rupert, isn't it? ![]() |
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bit insulting to suggest you can replace not having a child with something that has to be charged overnight
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Mia was built 14 plus years ago and hasn't changed in appearance since. Leo despite having some synth technology in him is still human and has therefore aged 14 years from a young boy to his current age.
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Hi Nat! It's Saturday we're seeing Rupert, isn't it?
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But if Mia was in the same accident, why isn't she the same sort of synth as Leo? She's so much more advanced than Leo, even though she's supposed to be 14 - that's the bit I don't understand, Unless she's been upgraded and Leo hasn't?
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Mia was built 14 plus years ago and hasn't changed in appearance since. Leo despite having some synth technology in him is still human and has therefore aged 14 years from a young boy to his current age.
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But if they were made at the same time, why is their synth "technology" so different and Leo's so inferior to Mia's? Unless she's had upgrades and hence was sold as "new", but the upgrade hasn't overwritten all of her previous human memories?
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I don't think he has. I think he was the age he now appears to be 14 years ago when whatever happened happened (when he died). Because when he went to see George last week he was talking about Elster and George said "but you're not old enough to remember him".
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What makes you say Leo's synth technology is inferior? He could read the synth programme.
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I don't think he has. I think he was the age he now appears to be 14 years ago when whatever happened happened (when he died). Because when he went to see George last week he was talking about Elster and George said "but you're not old enough to remember him".
Georges comment to me just meant that Leo was too young to be a member of the project back at the start (ie he'd be a young kid). Probably the only young kid George would have ever seen around the project would have been David's son Leo but George believes Leo is dead so would not jump to the conclusion that his visitor was Leo. |
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But isn't that because he was thinking that anyone who knew Elster would have been an adult. He wasn't imagining Elster having anything to do with children. I don't think Leo could have been an adult or George would have been likely to recognise him. Given he worked closely with Elster, it's likely he would have at least seen a photo of his son.
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I meant in the context that he still has real blood, he needs food and water and as well as charging - or at least kick-starting with electricity (and needing to wee!), isn't immensely strong, feels pain, can't self-diagnose and isn't self-healing
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Maybe I'm misremembering but didn't we see in the dream/flashback Leo had that he was just a child at the time of the accident.
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Georges comment to me just meant that Leo was too young to be a member of the project back at the start (ie he'd be a young kid).
Probably the only young kid George would have ever seen around the project would have been David's son Leo but George believes Leo is dead so would not jump to the conclusion that his visitor was Leo. I'm now wondering if it might turn out that Tom was friends with Leo back in the day and was involved in the same accident? It would be a good way of linking the stories. |
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I meant in the context that he still has real blood, he needs food and water and as well as charging - or at least kick-starting with electricity (and needing to wee!), isn't immensely strong, feels pain, can't self-diagnose and isn't self-healing
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I've watched all the eps in the last day
Love it!(Just finishing watching the 4th ep now) |
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I think all that is because he's (partly) human though. He only has a limited amount of synth technology in him.
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I can see how it might be that Leo was a small child at the time (and would make sense with Anita being so protective of Sophie), it was just my assumption to that conversation that Leo had not aged since the accident, don't know why.
Or perhaps they have/had a child. She seems to be acting as though she is/was a motherTrying to work out a possible time line Elster develops synths along with Millican Leo and Mia (and maybe others) drown in the car accident Elster makes them into human/synths (all like Leo) - probably against the rules they've set Millican disagrees with this and leaves the company Elster dies (is killed?) Elster's synths are due to be upgraded but go on the run to avoid this As they're caught, they get upgraded into "full" synths but with some residual memory But that does't explain how Max fits in as he's an upgraded synth but was on the run with Mia and Leo? Any other suggestions? |
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