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nomad2king
13-07-2015
Originally Posted by DJW13:
“Why did Vera not spill the beans about Niska? She had run the checks which proved that Niska was not human - did she just accept what she was told about Niska not being a synth, on the basis of believing what her primary user told her?”

It was that synths are not supposed to be able to lie, therefore when Niska said she wasn't a synth, then she couldn't be a lying synth.
seejay63
13-07-2015
Originally Posted by Smint:
“I was wondering whether Tom and Laura were brother and sister - and she was responsible for something happening to him/his death

Still can't get my head around the Leo/Mia relationship.

If Leo was a child when he died, did he know Mia then or meet her later? Did she exist as a person before she became a synth or was she built as one of the cognicent synths and that's how Leo knew her? Did he love her? Did/could she love him back, or was it all just simulated?”

I assume they've known each other for years. In the flashbacks when Mia is in the water helping a boy, I assume it's Leo she's saving.
Danger Close
13-07-2015
Originally Posted by Natarhi:
“Oh Leo, so arrogant! You could have let Mattie try, what was there to lose?”

Was there anything after that before the ad break?
My record went to a mess of digital gibberish. I could rerecord from Four7 tomorrow but for the sake of less than 30 seconds, doesn't seem worth it.

Originally Posted by Doctor_Wibble:
“Good point - given she doesn't hide her signal by wandering around covered in tinfoil, perhaps she does 'share' but with either only a single message, the robot equivalent of "don't tell him, Pike" or "pretend I'm not here" or even "He is coming, Call-Me-Kenneth will save us all"...

Or she's a different and more recent design that has inbuilt shielding so nobody can detect she's a machine, and presumably also some fancy fake-heartbeat thing?
Part-woman, part-machine, a hyper-alloy combat chassis, microprocessor-controlled ... but outside, it's living human tissue: flesh, skin, hair, blood ... that might be a garbled quote from somewhere ”

Still at it, I see.
Love the refs though.
Natarhi
13-07-2015
Originally Posted by Louise_:
“Why have no other synths realised that the cop synth is a synth? I thought they were aware of each other. Surely one of them would have raised the fact that she is a synth?”

Originally Posted by Doctor_Wibble:
“Good point - given she doesn't hide her signal by wandering around covered in tinfoil, perhaps she does 'share' but with either only a single message, the robot equivalent of "don't tell him, Pike" or "pretend I'm not here" or even "He is coming, Call-Me-Kenneth will save us all"...

Or she's a different and more recent design that has inbuilt shielding so nobody can detect she's a machine, and presumably also some fancy fake-heartbeat thing?
Part-woman, part-machine, a hyper-alloy combat chassis, microprocessor-controlled ... but outside, it's living human tissue: flesh, skin, hair, blood ... that might be a garbled quote from somewhere ”

I wondered about that too, at first I thought she might be like Leo-part human, part synth-just with more synth than human but now I think it's more likely that she is completely synth, just better at hiding. So it could well be that she projects a fake heartbeat/body heat or that she shares just enough to stop the other synths asking her why she's not sharing.

Originally Posted by DJW13:
“Why did Vera not spill the beans about Niska? She had run the checks which proved that Niska was not human - did she just accept what she was told about Niska not being a synth, on the basis of believing what her primary user told her?”

I thought it was because Niska outright said she was not a synth, and one of the universal laws of synths is that they can't lie. So presumably at that point Vera's logic circuits decided that she must have been mistaken about the signals, that being the more acceptable option.
Natarhi
13-07-2015
Originally Posted by Danger Close:
“Was there anything after that before the ad break?
My record went to a mess of digital gibberish. I could rerecord from Four7 tomorrow but for the sake of less than 30 seconds, doesn't seem worth it.”

Don't think so, he yelled at Mattie when she wanted to try something, so she didn't try it and she left with Mia. Then Leo stormed out on Max (that might have happened after the ads though, I don't remember).
Danger Close
13-07-2015
Originally Posted by Natarhi:
“Don't think so, he yelled at Mattie when she wanted to try something, so she didn't try it and she left with Mia. Then Leo stormed out on Max (that might have happened after the ads though, I don't remember).”

Cheers.
As long as I haven't missed a plot point.

And yes, the storm out came later, I saw that.
Danger Close
13-07-2015
Originally Posted by Natarhi:
“I wondered about that too, at first I thought she might be like Leo-part human, part synth-just with more synth than human but now I think it's more likely that she is completely synth, just better at hiding. So it could well be that she projects a fake heartbeat/body heat or that she shares just enough to stop the other synths asking her why she's not sharing.

I thought it was because Niska outright said she was not a synth, and one of the universal laws of synths is that they can't lie. So presumably at that point Vera's logic circuits decided that she must have been mistaken about the signals, that being the more acceptable option.”

Maybe Voss has worked out how to transmit false data in the 'share' without other synths detecting it as such.
Flash525
13-07-2015
Originally Posted by DJW13:
“Why did Vera not spill the beans about Niska? She had run the checks which proved that Niska was not human - did she just accept what she was told about Niska not being a synth, on the basis of believing what her primary user told her?”

I figured that it's due to sharing. If Niska doesn't share with Vira, was Niska actually there? From Vera's point of view, she has no recorded proof that Niska is a synth.
*Laura*
13-07-2015
Originally Posted by Puterkid:
“The interesting thing about this programme, it's so difficult not to project our human emotions and feelings onto the synths, even the non conscious ones, even as a viewer. When people are being rude to them etc, I find it difficult to switch off the 'he/she must feel hurt' response. It reminds me of being a child, where inanimate cuddly toys definitely had feelings, as far as I can remember.

Really enjoying the series.”

Same here. I went to bed really worried because Leo has left Max to fend for himself.

Like many others on here I am really enjoying the series far more than I thought I would. I watched it initially because there was nothing much on, now I am well and truly hooked.
Smint
13-07-2015
Originally Posted by *Laura*:
“Same here. I went to bed really worried because Leo has left Max to fend for himself. ”

And I, like George, am ridiculously over-attached to Odi

Although I know in my heart of hearts that something VERY bad will happen to Leo, because it's Colin Morgan, and it never ends well for any character he plays. Ever
Natarhi
13-07-2015
Originally Posted by *Laura*:
“Same here. I went to bed really worried because Leo has left Max to fend for himself. ”

I really hope Leo goes back to get Max.

Originally Posted by Smint:
“And I, like George, am ridiculously over-attached to Odi

Although I know in my heart of hearts that something VERY bad will happen to Leo, because it's Colin Morgan, and it never ends well for any character he plays. Ever ”

Poor Odi

Ha! So true.
Paul237
13-07-2015
A Police detective is a risky job for a synth to do. She could easily be injured, or even just trip and fall in the line of duty. Won't people notice she bleeds blue?

Though maybe she's got red 'blood'.

Did anyone else feel uncomfortable when she ate the chip? I could just see it sat in that bag. Barf. She must have rank breath and people are too polite to tell her.
Flash525
13-07-2015
Originally Posted by Paul237:
“A Police detective is a risky job for a synth to do. She could easily be injured, or even just trip and fall in the line of duty. Won't people notice she bleeds blue?”

If these synth's are as capable as they appear, then they'd be less likely to trip over and fall, and likewise would be more aware of their surroundings.

There's a chance she'd get shot, but then, dodge the bullet?

Originally Posted by Paul237:
“Did anyone else feel uncomfortable when she ate the chip? I could just see it sat in that bag. Barf. She must have rank breath and people are too polite to tell her.”

There's probably something in the bag that helps with that.
Paul237
13-07-2015
Originally Posted by Flash525:
“If these synth's are as capable as they appear, then they'd be less likely to trip over and fall, and likewise would be more aware of their surroundings.

There's a chance she'd get shot, but then, dodge the bullet?

There's probably something in the bag that helps with that.”

I'm mostly being tongue in cheek, as you have to suspend disbelief when you're watching a show about synths...
Emmersonne
13-07-2015
Going by how heavy the parallels are elsewhere in the show, I have a sneaking suspicion that "Tom" may also have drowned.

My number one wish for the rest of the series is that they use the code on Odi and make him a real boy.
My usernames
14-07-2015
Did any one find out about the lady cop? I didn't catch All of this last ep
striing
14-07-2015
Originally Posted by Natarhi:
“We were discussing how the advanced/concious synths may have been created earlier in the thread, one theory was definitely that they might have some element of dead humans in them. From what Niska said to George in this episode though it sounded more to me like it's just a lot of extra code.
For all the regular synths I think that they are supposed to be created from scratch.
I definitely felt like he wouldn't destroy Fred completely, but he did apologise to him before he started, and there was at least one other person in the room so he would have had to get them on board.

I assumed Odi moved himself somehow.

Not sure about cop synth's abilities, but it would make sense for her to use a phone (especially at work) because anybody could walk in on her mid-conversation. I thought it was probably some synth hacking/scanning overnight that meant she knew about the fight in the smash club though.”

The idea that they are dead humans is gross. Surely they wouldn't make a programme like that? I hope it is just code!

It hadn't occurred to me that Odi could move himself from the way he was lying but yeah I suppose you could be right. I think there might be more to it and a synth is involved somehow.

So we reckon cop synth could do everything in her synth brain but is doing 'human' style investigation so as not to get found out? I wonder why she wanted to be a cop in the first place. There must be a synth related reason. I was also wondering why she even had food in her flat if she lives on her own! Is that a cover as well?

I still think Tom is Laura's brother who died. I don't think he's related to Leo or Mia.
Corwin
14-07-2015
Originally Posted by My usernames:
“Did any one find out about the lady cop? I didn't catch All of this last ep”

No, no one has found out that she's a Synth (or if they possibly do know (her Boss for example) we the audience haven't been told).


We still don't know if she was originally part of Leo's group or is from a different source of sentient Synths.

She saw Niska on a video but it wasn't clear if she actually recognised her or not.
Natarhi
14-07-2015
Originally Posted by Emmersonne:
“My number one wish for the rest of the series is that they use the code on Odi and make him a real boy. ”

Yes please.

Originally Posted by striing:
“So we reckon cop synth could do everything in her synth brain but is doing 'human' style investigation so as not to get found out? I wonder why she wanted to be a cop in the first place. There must be a synth related reason. I was also wondering why she even had food in her flat if she lives on her own! Is that a cover as well?”

I think so, no reason for her to have a less advanced brain than the other synths. Don't know why she would want to be a cop (assuming she wasn't planted there by someone else), but as she has consciousness I suppose it's possible it was just something she wanted to do, the same way a human picks a job. Maybe she got the food and drink in specially after she invited Pete to stay.
Will_Bee
14-07-2015
I see the blonde phsyco synth Niska now has a job on sky sports.


http://img.skysports.com/12/03/295x1...50_2726496.jpg


http://tvnewsroom.org/images/news-st...-Image-032.jpg



They are taking over !!
Shawn_Lunn
14-07-2015
Brilliant episode. Liked Matilda and Leo working together trying to get Anita to remember being Mia, even if it failed.

Liked that they didn't drag out Joe using Anita for sex either, though I wish they'd tell us who Tom is meant to be to Laura at this rate.

Niska and George had some great scenes in the episode too.

Still trying to figure out Voss's motives as well, 8/10
AH7386
14-07-2015
I'm guessing that Tom was also involved in the car accident / drowning scene and that Laura may have played some part in the accident (drink driving or something like that), hence her reaction to the name Tom and the way Anita was adamant that she would keep the younger daughter safe.
Doctor_Wibble
14-07-2015
Originally Posted by Danger Close:
“Still at it, I see.”

I can't help myself

Originally Posted by Natarhi:
“... and one of the universal laws of synths is that they can't lie. ...”

There's a cunning plan in the making here, have something that might mask your own heartbeat etc such that a synth wouldn't spot it, and have a little gizmo to emit whatever frequencies a synth 'leaks' and also to broadcast 'sharing broken, long queue at repair shop, will try again tomorrow'. Then you can walk up to any synth and tell them anything you like because you are a synth and do not lie. Of course being an actual synth which can lie is the key to the city.

"You are required to report for maintenance and urgent security upgrades and we are the temporary replacement completely authentic team here to take over guarding all the money until you get back", what could possibly go wrong?
myss
14-07-2015
Originally Posted by Natarhi:
“I can see how it might be that Leo was a small child at the time (and would make sense with Anita being so protective of Sophie), it was just my assumption to that conversation that Leo had not aged since the accident, don't know why.”

Good point.

Originally Posted by Natarhi:
“Oh Leo, so arrogant! You could have let Mattie try, what was there to lose?”

Had the same thought as well as the time1

Originally Posted by i_like_numbers:
“So Leo has died before and will die again.
We also have the mysterious 'Tom' storyline. Could Leo have been Tom in a previous life leading to the storylines converging?”

It's been funny reading people's guesses as to who Tom is, part of me thinks he's nowt to do with synths at all. Then another part of me thinks he's someone who died and was brought back to life as Odi!!

Not a bad episode, one of the better ones so far. You just knew that the fact the Dad had sex with Anita was going to be found out, but considering all the things that's happened to this family since her arrival, you would think that at least one of the parents would be down the shop with her for a refund pretty smart-ish - regardless of what the kids think!!
trevvytrev21
15-07-2015
@myss

Anita saved Toby's life. That curries her favour a bit with the family.

Vera reports in fairly regularly, I'm thinking she might report something odd about Niska and blow her cover.
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