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The actress playing Anita/Mia is fantastic.
Really enjoying this programme. Not sure there should be another series though, I would like a definite end. The Revenants ending without a proper ending to the story, and I'm still waiting for the next series
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I agree that something more happened regarding the fathers death. The very last flicker of Leo's memory showed someone standing behind him and he looked 'cornered'.
I can't remember, did we ever see the mothers face? Is Detective Synth modelled on Leo's Mum? |
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I can't remember, did we ever see the mothers face? Is Detective Synth modelled on Leo's Mum?
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He could have made her to look like his dead wife. Niska did say he was having sex with her, though she did not like it as she thought of him as her father.
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He could have made her to look like his dead wife. Niska did say he was having sex with her, though she did not like it as she thought of him as her father.
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When did she say this? I must've missed it
It puts a whole new spin on the scene where she kills the paedophile in the brothel. Especially since he asked her 'who taught you to think that?' and she answers 'my father'. |
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I don't think she was ever actually paralysed, she'd had some kind of accident and the synth was there providing physical therapy to help her recover. But he'd already reached the end of his lease in last week's episode so we can assume she was more or less back to normal.
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Niska said that Elster created her aged 9 in her adult body, but he 'didn't always treat her as a child' and that she 'never told the others'.
It puts a whole new spin on the scene where she kills the paedophile in the brothel. Especially since he asked her 'who taught you to think that?' and she answers 'my father'. |
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I may have misheard, but I think Niska was created age 9 in her adult synth body and she's aged mentally since then. Elster was creating companions for his son, it wouldn't have worked to create babies that needed taking care of.
I was pretty sure she was saying she was 9, George asked "how old are you" and she said "9" and he said, "you're just a child" Quote:
Re: the Tom storyline, I think it was supposed to be more obviously important to the family relationships - it fed into Joe's feelings of abandonment and suspicion, and into the relationship with Matty also.
I don't think those dramatic threads were clear enough inside all the synth stuff though. |
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I agree that something more happened regarding the fathers death. The very last flicker of Leo's memory showed someone standing behind him and he looked 'cornered'.
And the lab destruction didn't strike me as being footage of someone about to top themselves, more of someone who was extremely angry or frustrated - perhaps frustration at not being able to bring back the deranged Mrs the same way he brought back Leo? And then running off to find a jerry-can to pour over the lab is more than just a moment of anger, definitely a destroy-everything move. Quote:
I can't remember, did we ever see the mothers face? Is Detective Synth modelled on Leo's Mum?
Interesting question! She certainly seems to be on a par with the 'special' synths as regards blending in and male insensitivity aside, was convincing enough that her own "yes I'm slightly electronic" confession after the fact was a big shock.Maybe she is actually the one that was built to be Leo's Mum, but none of her memories could be saved and she was stuck in a cupboard as a memento but escaped the fire that was set to hide something else? Damn, that's starting to sound like the intro to a Monty Python record I once heard... |
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I may have misheard, but I think Niska was created age 9 in her adult synth body and she's aged mentally since then. Elster was creating companions for his son, it wouldn't have worked to create babies that needed taking care of.
With regards to Niska being around when Leo had his accident, I can't recall if we saw any images of her from before the accident or not. Mia and Fred were certainly around before the accident and Max was created after the accident. Niska I'm not sure about. Leo could well just be 22 (he was 13 when he had the accident) and just looks older due to living rough for the last few years. Anyone got a screengrab of the moment Leo wakes up after having "died"? If Niska is in the group that is looking down at him then she was obviously built before the accident (or at roughly the same time Leo was in the coma). |
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All she said to George was that she was 9 years old (now) not that she was given the mental age of 9 when she was created.
With regards to Niska being around when Leo had his accident, I can't recall if we saw any images of her from before the accident or not. Mia and Fred were certainly around before the accident and Max was created after the accident. Niska I'm not sure about. Leo could well just be 22 (he was 13 when he had the accident) and just looks older due to living rough for the last few years. Anyone got a screengrab of the moment Leo wakes up after having "died"? If Niska is in the group that is looking down at him then she was obviously built before the accident (or at roughly the same time Leo was in the coma). I suppose it could just be the rough living/stress that's made Leo look older than his age. |
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I think there might be some 'subjective time' games afoot here, though as usual I might be adding complication where there is none... Quote:
All she said to George was that she was 9 years old (now) ....
Or not. Just a possibility... Quote:
Niska I'm not sure about.
The 'memories' are a bit unclear as to timing - deliberate?All four of them were in the group standing at the foot of the bed but maybe Leo had a few 'iterations' while his mind was being rebuilt before that moment. |
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For me a major difference would be that she had split up with her husband before she shagged the synth.
And it's not "shared". When you shag Anita, then she goes on to cook dinner and babysit the kids, and that's a bit icky in itself. It's one thing to have a tea-towel you only use for masturbation, and another to use the same towel to dry communal dishes, even if you wash it between. Quote:
Max will be found and reactivated. No way that's going to be the end.
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Brilliant episode, possibly the best one of the bunch.
I love the way that Anita became Mia once again and bringing Leo/Max into the mix as well with Laura and Matilda as well. Joe is a plank and easily becoming the worst character of the show at the moment. Not sure it was wise of Voss to out herself to Pete there. Great scenes with George and Niska in this one as well, 9/10 |
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Also, the synth is a normal one without feelings.
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And it's not "shared". When you shag Anita, then she goes on to cook dinner and babysit the kids, and that's a bit icky in itself.
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It's one thing to have a tea-towel you only use for masturbation, and another to use the same towel to dry communal dishes, even if you wash it between.
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Joe is a plank and easily becoming the worst character of the show at the moment.
All he did was express his concerns to the police and the worst that would happen would be that the police can investigate and see if they are criminals or not. What he had no idea of knowing is that the computer actually is sentient, that the strange shady types are also sentient computers, that some kind of organization is trying to track them down and destroy them, and that reporting them to the police would put them on their radar. Of course if he had known he might also be fully justified in thinking that sentient computers are a scary idea and that if the government consider them a threat then he's doing his family a favour in helping to put an end to them. It's what I like about this show. Nobody is really a bad guy, as such. Each side has a perfectly plausible and reasonable excuse for what they're doing. |
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From his point of view, though, what he did wasn't that unreasonable. You find out the computer you just bought was stolen property. You find out that your family have suddenly got this crazy idea into their heads that this computer is now sentient with real emotions and you see them having meetings with some shady looking character who claims the computer used to be his and has obviously been filling their heads with nonsense for goodness knows what nefarious purposes.
All he did was express his concerns to the police and the worst that would happen would be that the police can investigate and see if they are criminals or not. What he had no idea of knowing is that the computer actually is sentient, that the strange shady types are also sentient computers, that some kind of organization is trying to track them down and destroy them, and that reporting them to the police would put them on their radar. Of course if he had known he might also be fully justified in thinking that sentient computers are a scary idea and that if the government consider them a threat then he's doing his family a favour in helping to put an end to them. It's what I like about this show. Nobody is really a bad guy, as such. Each side has a perfectly plausible and reasonable excuse for what they're doing. I still can't believe the number of people who seem to be able to type a post during the showing of the episode! Problem is, if they were only ever watching with one eye on the TV in the first place, while the other was on their smart whatsit, then of course they're going to post damn fool questions in the vein of 'I missed so and so .. what happened?'!
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A few random thoughts of my own, following last night's best episode so far ...
I reckon Hobb should gave ordered the two goons to go into the water and fish Max out. He's such a nice synth .. we're all rooting for him! Simon synth not being able to push the door down to copulate with Jill was a little unrealistic. We've already seen Vera break a door in George's place, so Simon would have had no trouble getting at Jill. If she was that scared, couldn't she merely have countermanded her instructions for intercourse? Joe is being pilloried on here for dobbing them all in. Actually if Laura hadn't had such a hissy fit about him going all 18+ with Anita, then they'd have been able to share all the latest revelations and together they could have presented a united front in support of the sentient ones. Fred apparently going rogue is a bit of a worry. Perhaps he just doesn't trust Hobb enough to let him round up the other sentients so that they can carry out Estler's final command, away from the prying eyes of the government people. Have the police been singularly unsuccessful so far in locating the Volvo that Leo & Max nicked earlier in the series? Surely the rightful owner would have reported the theft .. unless it was already stolen! I'm liking the soft side of Niska this week. Helping George with Odi and opening up a bit to him about her 'past' were nice touches, as well as being pivotal to her part in the story. And finally, we're left with a huge question mark over Karen Voss! She's clearly a sentient synth, but she's also very different from the others .. no green eyes for a start! She also obviously has emotional capabilities, hence her statement to Pete before her reveal. Goodness knows what he's going to do with this new-found information! Roll on next Sunday night! |
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All she said to George was that she was 9 years old (now) not that she was given the mental age of 9 when she was created.
With regards to Niska being around when Leo had his accident, I can't recall if we saw any images of her from before the accident or not. Mia and Fred were certainly around before the accident and Max was created after the accident. Niska I'm not sure about. Leo could well just be 22 (he was 13 when he had the accident) and just looks older due to living rough for the last few years. Anyone got a screengrab of the moment Leo wakes up after having "died"? If Niska is in the group that is looking down at him then she was obviously built before the accident (or at roughly the same time Leo was in the coma).
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Niska was shown in the memory flashbacks - they all were - if thats what you mean
![]() We are just trying to work out if Niska was in any memories that are clearly from before the accident or not. Edit Gone back and watched the sequence now and it does appear that all 4 Synths were created before Leo had the accident. So if the info we have been given is correct then Leo is indeed 22 or younger. Someone posted the idea of Karen Voss being Leo's mother and it's true that we never get a clear look at her face. If Elster did do a similar thing to his wife as he did to Leo then he may have taken things even further, transferring her thoughts/memories into an actual Synth made to look like her. |
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Well said Thrombin .. you clearly waited until after the episode to provide us with a considered analysis of the Joe character!
I still can't believe the number of people who seem to be able to type a post during the showing of the episode! Problem is, if they were only ever watching with one eye on the TV in the first place, while the other was on their smart whatsit, then of course they're going to post damn fool questions in the vein of 'I missed so and so .. what happened?'! ![]() Playing Devil/s advocate, i's not an entirely unreasonable thing to feel Joe did wrong. You could argue he should have had more faith in his wife and kids and should have waited to get a clearer idea of the situation before getting the police involved. I don't mind the posts that are done during the show. I'd never do it myself but I think it's quite fun to read the real time reactions of people during the show. |
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the recent turn of the thread is telling me much more about (some) humans than about synths, or the show...
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LMAO!
![]() Ewwww ![]() because mistakes happen, so I think I will never eat at anyone's house ever again ever...
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And it's not "shared". When you shag Anita, then she goes on to cook dinner and babysit the kids, and that's a bit icky in itself. It's one thing to have a tea-towel you only use for masturbation, and another to use the same towel to dry communal dishes, even if you wash it between.
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From his point of view, though, what he did wasn't that unreasonable. You find out the computer you just bought was stolen property. You find out that your family have suddenly got this crazy idea into their heads that this computer is now sentient with real emotions and you see them having meetings with some shady looking character who claims the computer used to be his and has obviously been filling their heads with nonsense for goodness knows what nefarious purposes.
All he did was express his concerns to the police and the worst that would happen would be that the police can investigate and see if they are criminals or not. What he had no idea of knowing is that the computer actually is sentient, that the strange shady types are also sentient computers, that some kind of organization is trying to track them down and destroy them, and that reporting them to the police would put them on their radar. Of course if he had known he might also be fully justified in thinking that sentient computers are a scary idea and that if the government consider them a threat then he's doing his family a favour in helping to put an end to them. It's what I like about this show. Nobody is really a bad guy, as such. Each side has a perfectly plausible and reasonable excuse for what they're doing. And I don't think it's ok to call the police and give them false information just because you don't like someone, which is basically what he did to Leo. Because all he knew about Leo was that he was claiming to be Anita's previous owner (perfectly reasonable seeing as they had discovered she was much older than thought and had been modded), both his wife and children were fine with Leo being around, had in fact invited him over to see Anita. So even if Joe thought he's a bit weird he could see that his family were fine and Leo was leaving without any trouble, and yet Joe called the police and said Leo was hanging around outside his house acting suspiciously (a lie) specifically to try and get him in trouble. Had he gone "you're all nuts and if you don't get out of my house I'll call the police" as soon as he came in I would not have such a problem with it, it was the covertness and the lying that made me dislike his actions. Quote:
Well said Thrombin .. you clearly waited until after the episode to provide us with a considered analysis of the Joe character!
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I still can't believe the number of people who seem to be able to type a post during the showing of the episode! Problem is, if they were only ever watching with one eye on the TV in the first place, while the other was on their smart whatsit, then of course they're going to post damn fool questions in the vein of 'I missed so and so .. what happened?'!
![]() Also while you seem unable to grasp the concept it is perfectly possible to type and concentrate on the action, the one person who asked what happened because they missed something said they "couldn't watch", it was nothing to do with being too busy typing. Quote:
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Gone back and watched the sequence now and it does appear that all 4 Synths were created before Leo had the accident. So if the info we have been given is correct then Leo is indeed 22 or younger. |
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