|
||||||||
Humans - Channel 4 |
![]() |
|
|
Thread Tools | Search this Thread |
|
|
#1351 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 5,793
|
We found the final scene where Max sacrificed himself for his family quite emotional
|
|
|
|
|
Please sign in or register to remove this advertisement.
|
|
|
#1352 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 292
|
How does Maxie sacrifice himself? Surely one of that guy's henchmen will just run shooting after Merlin, catch him and the other will run down and get Maxie out of the river and capture them both anyway? Or am I missing something haha
|
|
|
|
|
|
#1353 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 11,776
|
Quote:
I wonder if it was unknown or if it was just kind of forgotten about. I can see how if you're used to synths being very passive and only using their strength in situations to help/save humans you might overlook the fact that one could break through a door at any moment. Hobb had all his guards around as a precaution but it seems to me that what he really underestimated was the fact that Fred was capable of deception and planning ahead (pretending to be friendly and chatty in order to distract Hobb from his plan to escape). I think the concious synths will be unpredictable to humans as long as humans think of them as synths, because when you categorise them as synths you subconsciously expect them to behave as normal synths do, you need to think of them as super smart, fast and strong people.
I'm still loving it as a drama and maybe that's the point. Excellent actors and production values make for an entertaining evening, regardless of subject matter. |
|
|
|
|
|
#1354 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 1,218
|
Quote:
How does Maxie sacrifice himself? Surely one of that guy's henchmen will just run shooting after Merlin, catch him and the other will run down and get Maxie out of the river and capture them both anyway? Or am I missing something haha
Quote:
This has changed the premise of the show for me. At the start it was about humans and machines. Now it's about humans and something modelled on humans but, as you say, smarter, faster and stronger. I don't know what the difference is between sci-fi and fantasy but in lay terms it feels like we've moved into fantasy now. The walking, talking robot, even a really high spec one, I could buy. The idea of something that is pretty much a human - I'm not sure what the programme is getting at with that.
I'm still loving it as a drama and maybe that's the point. Excellent actors and production values make for an entertaining evening, regardless of subject matter. |
|
|
|
|
#1355 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 4,075
|
Quote:
How does Maxie sacrifice himself? Surely one of that guy's henchmen will just run shooting after Merlin, catch him and the other will run down and get Maxie out of the river and capture them both anyway? Or am I missing something haha
|
|
|
|
|
|
#1356 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 5,793
|
Quote:
How does Maxie sacrifice himself?
Max: "If I die, that means I've lived..." Throws himself off bridge. Last scene is him shutting down peacefully under the water. I thought that was pretty unambiguous. |
|
|
|
|
|
#1357 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 10,892
|
Quote:
Well Leo said that he would be carried away by the current and might never be found, ...
Max might even understand that - but I think in any case he will be deflating any internal airbags, and disabling his automatic water wings to make sure he sinks straight down and doesn't drift too far so he can be found afterwards. |
|
|
|
|
|
#1358 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Jun 2002
Posts: 65,741
|
Quote:
Leo: "You'll die! Do you understand?"
Max: "If I die, that means I've lived..." Throws himself off bridge. Last scene is him shutting down peacefully under the water. I thought that was pretty unambiguous. Do these synths need to breathe oxygen? We'd already seen them underwater in the flashback scenes so it's not as if they'd short circuit because of the water. |
|
|
|
|
|
#1359 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 1,218
|
Quote:
Thing is, why would he die?
Do these synths need to breathe oxygen? We'd already seen them underwater in the flashback scenes so it's not as if they'd short circuit because of the water. |
|
|
|
|
#1360 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 11,776
|
Quote:
Oh no, I got that Niska was created as an adult, synths can't grow older physically so of course you would not make a baby or child sized one, that would be creepy. I meant the timeframe as it relates to Leo's age, because I had assumed he was meant to be in his late 20s or even early 30s but from what this episode showed he is very young 20s (at most 22).
![]() Another age thing, Laura says Tom died when he was 5 and she was 11 but in the photo they look about 2 years apart maximum. I'm sure it's not a plot line, just sloppy, but it's a bit of a surprise when everything else is so slick. Isn't William Hurt an amazing actor. I don't think I've ever seen him in anything before but wow. What's he doing in a small British TV show? |
|
|
|
|
|
#1361 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Edinburgh
Posts: 842
|
Quote:
I don't think they were necessarily given adult personalities, I think it's more just that being a synth they have a knowledge of things/intelligence that we as humans would consider adult because of how long it would take us to learn the same information. Their brains are essentially super computers, so as soon as they were created they would have all that knowledge and processing power. Then I expect their personalities develop more over time, in a similar way to a child growing up. That's my take on it anyway.
![]() That is basically a re-framing of the nature vs nurture question about human personality. My guess is a bit of both, I think that the code would be the same but would affect each synth slightly differently, and then their experiences would further shape them. For example Niska is more guarded and violent because of the abuse from her father and in the brothel, Mia is the most nurturing because she spent years taking care of Leo, Max seems the most naive and trusting which is probably because he was the youngest and always had the others looking out for him.I just wonder things like if they are pre-programmed to know 'adult' things like sex etc? Otherwise they are more like innocent children when created which makes what Elster did to Niska really creepy. |
|
|
|
|
|
#1362 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 4,075
|
Quote:
Another age thing, Laura says Tom died when he was 5 and she was 11 but in the photo they look about 2 years apart maximum. I'm sure it's not a plot line, just sloppy, but it's a bit of a surprise when everything else is so slick.
Quote:
Isn't William Hurt an amazing actor. I don't think I've ever seen him in anything before but wow. What's he doing in a small British TV show?
Quote:
Hello, sorry just catching up on this thread now and read your response to my comments. You make some really good points. I think you're right with regards to the super computers comment, and I also agree with your view on the nature vs nurture.
I just wonder things like if they are pre-programmed to know 'adult' things like sex etc? Otherwise they are more like innocent children when created which makes what Elster did to Niska really creepy. I don't know about the programmed to know about adult things. I suppose if they are created with a large store of knowledge it must be in there (even if only in a nature documentary kind of way). I think what Elster did was pretty creepy regardless, Niska clearly did not want to be sleeping with him; the fact that she kept it from the others strongly suggests that she felt it was wrong and/or was ashamed about it.
|
|
|
|
|
|
#1363 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 354
|
Quote:
Isn't William Hurt an amazing actor. I don't think I've ever seen him in anything before but wow. What's he doing in a small British TV show?
I suppose what I find really surprising is that there aren't more US actors in it. |
|
|
|
|
|
#1364 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 105
|
Can somebody enlighten me?
Hobb got shot in the leg but was seen running on the bridge at the end of the episode. Is that right or was I seeing things? |
|
|
|
|
|
#1365 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 4,075
|
Quote:
Can somebody enlighten me?
Hobb got shot in the leg but was seen running on the bridge at the end of the episode. Is that right or was I seeing things? |
|
|
|
|
|
#1366 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 105
|
Quote:
He did get shot, but not with a gun with bullets, it was more like a taser.
|
|
|
|
|
|
#1367 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: London
Posts: 14,737
|
Quote:
Isn't William Hurt an amazing actor. I don't think I've ever seen him in anything before but wow. What's he doing in a small British TV show?
It's a film worth watching even though it is quite old now. |
|
|
|
|
|
#1368 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 31,153
|
Quote:
Isn't William Hurt an amazing actor. I don't think I've ever seen him in anything before but wow. What's he doing in a small British TV show?
He's probably in this because actors need to eat and pay bills, he's not Hollywood A list and everybody pretty much does TV these days as well as film. Hurt might be 'amazing' in this in comparison to others, some of the characters aren't coming out of this too well and I don't think I'll blame the actors, the Mum and Dad, very stiff and distanced performances. |
|
|
|
|
|
#1369 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Nottingham, UK
Posts: 11,878
|
Quote:
Simon synth not being able to push the door down to copulate with Jill was a little unrealistic. We've already seen Vera break a door in George's place, so Simon would have had no trouble getting at Jill. If she was that scared, couldn't she merely have countermanded her instructions for intercourse?
Quote:
Actually even a modded synth should not be able to hurt anyone. Niska and Fred only could because they have a human conciousness.
|
|
|
|
|
|
#1370 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 11,776
|
Quote:
Wouldn't say he's amazing on the strength of this.
He's probably in this because actors need to eat and pay bills, he's not Hollywood A list and everybody pretty much does TV these days as well as film. Hurt might be 'amazing' in this in comparison to others, some of the characters aren't coming out of this too well and I don't think I'll blame the actors, the Mum and Dad, very stiff and distanced performances. I also wasn't meaning anything about Hollywood. I just wondered why an older American actor of that quality would be in what I thought was a small Channel 4 show. It would mean he travelled here for work; why would his agent put him up for it; how would he get a visa when there are older British actors who could have done the job? But someone said it's a US co-production so that would explain why he's in it. I wonder how the show will go down in America. It feels very British to me. Part of the reason I think I'm enjoying it is because I recognise and resonate with the setting so I don't have to suspend disbelif on that (apart from how they all seem to afford massive houses in London). |
|
|
|
|
|
#1371 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 6,106
|
Quote:
I wasn't particularly comparing him to anyone else; I just think the quality of his acting is excellent in this (can't speak for in anything else). He felt quite understated at the start but now I think his characterisation is beautiful and detailed. You're right that it shows up some of the others who are more prosaic.
I also wasn't meaning anything about Hollywood. I just wondered why an older American actor of that quality would be in what I thought was a small Channel 4 show. It would mean he travelled here for work; why would his agent put him up for it; how would he get a visa when there are older British actors who could have done the job? But someone said it's a US co-production so that would explain why he's in it. I wonder how the show will go down in America. It feels very British to me. Part of the reason I think I'm enjoying it is because I recognise and resonate with the setting so I don't have to suspend disbelif on that (apart from how they all seem to afford massive houses in London). |
|
|
|
|
|
#1372 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Sydney, Australia ♂
Posts: 19,829
|
First of all I will admit I have seen all of the Original series this is based on and loved it very much and I want to stress I was excited for this UK version (for some reason i thought it might be a bit like 'Real Humans' in the style of Utopia (I think it was the music).
Anyway i'm finding this series very disappointing, not only in comparison to Akta Manniskor but in its own right, Its just lacking something for me I'm still watching but If I don't see it for a few days I'm not bothered at all. Akta manniskor I devoured season 2 in about 2 days, just wanted to know what what was happening next |
|
|
|
|
#1373 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 3,425
|
Quote:
Isn't William Hurt an amazing actor. I don't think I've ever seen him in anything before but wow. What's he doing in a small British TV show?
The one thing about the Swedish version I liked was that none of the actors were known over here, and you started with a completely clean slate with no expectations. |
|
|
|
|
|
#1374 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 1,203
|
And we were doing so well, having not mentioned the bl...dy Swedish show for several pages now.....
|
|
|
|
|
|
#1375 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 522
|
Quote:
As mentioned it's an Anglo American production, and the Yanks generally wont watch anything without a recognised 'star' name in it.
|
|
|
|
![]() |
|
All times are GMT. The time now is 22:20.







My guess is a bit of both, I think that the code would be the same but would affect each synth slightly differently, and then their experiences would further shape them. For example Niska is more guarded and violent because of the abuse from her father and in the brothel, Mia is the most nurturing because she spent years taking care of Leo, Max seems the most naive and trusting which is probably because he was the youngest and always had the others looking out for him.