He had sex with Niska, but "sex slave" implies that was her sole purpose, which I don't think is right. Still, he obviously knew she was sentient, so it must have been like abusing a child (albeit one with an adult body).

Makes me wonder about Beatrice. She was made to look like his wife, so did he have sex with her, too? Was she made before or after he had sex with Niska? If it was only Niska, does that undermine his position that it doesn't matter what the bodies look like?

And how come it was Niska that got stuck in the brothel? Was she just unlucky twice?


I disagree. I liked seeing all the synths together and more or less relaxed, and given time to interact with the family. Especially seeing Niska playing with the child, and Mia trying to fix the marriage. It's character stuff which was the payload. It reminded me of the "dance party" in Orphan Black.


I liked that her ability wasn't magic. She screwed up and Leo had to sort it out for her. She's still just a script kiddie, not a synth hacker genius. It's rare for a show to avoid that trope so adroitly.

I've been mostly pro-synth so far, but seeing them all together did make me think that blowing up that house would avoid an awful lot of problems in the future.

I assumed that Fred acting oddly was something to do with Hobb.

Earlier in the episode Hobb told Karen that he had a way of finding out where the synths were - it looked to me that he must have put some sort of progam into Fred while he was deactivated. Possibly something to signal Hobb when all the synths were together.

I could be wrong but it would explain how Karen and Hobb were able to turn up at the end.

They can't eat food, no, but there must be some way to replenish the blue liquid. They could have a valve somewhere visible, but that would spoil the look. We've already seen Beatrice has a void which she can use to fake eating, and presumably the others have the same, and that's a good a place as any to place the valve. That is, pour it into the inner void (without condom, obviously), and from there it is absorbed into the body via some regulatory mechanism.


It was probably my favourite episode. Lots happening.

Same. Not the poor little dollies they seemed at first, at all.

This was my fave episode too. All the arcs converging and characters meeting, and key scenes like 'Play'.

I thought the football bit was an essential if slightly crowbarred way of getting a conversation between father and son and some kind of return to diplomacy, if not forgiveness. Plus we got to learn about how the synths learnt and their father's attitude to them once construction was complete.


No, I think you might have it there - it's not impossible that the descriptions and phone call (and possible faulty machine return etc) might have all been put together to make the house a likely target but programming a beacon into Fred would make the most sense and I should have thought of that...


When they saw the news report of Niska Goes Nuts and the realisation dawns - the release of the tape seems conveniently timed - did we see who leaked it? Prime suspect there I think would surely be DS Pete what with still being a bit uncertain after his 'close encounter' with Karen-not-Beatrice...

So a TV left conveniently on in a corner with rolling news on it. Weak plot device.
All synths in place to do whatever transformation they were threatening to undergo.....conveniently one decides to commit suicide to drag this along, and another two decide to get trigger happy.

Even the father...whatever his name is......looks disinterested in the whole thing.

And people cried when William Hurt (whatever his character was called) died...... Bit like the hunger games movie this.......

That's definitely how Odi would communicate - he's very much a 'dial-up' synth.

I think he only conked out because someone left the phone off the hook for a few years.

Yes, it was a very moving scene with Odi recounting memories and finishing with "you have died now, George".

The actor playing him is very good.

On a lighter note, I liked the scene where George is talking with Karen in the hallway and Vera comes down the stairs to sternly announce she's discoverd Odi in the wardrobe.

Karen.....who the hell is Karen.....she is Beatrice.

In response to the previous post which mentioned Fred going off into another world and twitching, it might be fair to speculate that Hobb had fiddled with him in some way when Fred was in his custody and didn't destroy him.

A terrific penultimate episode!

Do we call Voss 'Beatrice' or is that just what Estler wanted her to be? After all, he made her in his wife's image and presumably called her that in the beginning before killing himself.

Nice to see Max recovered from the river, as we all thought he would be. Should have looked a bit more drenched, dirty and bedraggled though.

Comments about Mattie's unrealistic computer abilities are unfounded; remember, she's majoring on IT stuff in college and in the time when the piece is set, there's a real fear that computer based careers are going to be the only options for educated people.

Mia is totally right to encourage Laura to share her childhood issues with Joe. Why the hell she hasn't already done that I cannot comprehend. How can you enter into a lifetime's partnership/marriage with that sort of secret hanging around? It doesn't excuse Joe's previous behaviour with Anita, that was just ill thought through, but if he was to know Laura's whole back story it should help to resolve the relationship rift.

I wonder if Voss really meant to kill George? She was gunning for Niska and in the process shot Vera, but I somehow really don't think she intended to shoot George.

The tender death scene with George and Odi was really poignant. Odi's last words 'You're dying, George' were just so pitiful.

Niska is the really scary one, you expect her to go off on one at any time! I was on tenterhooks during the scene in Sophie's bedroom when the two of them were playing. I thought for a moment that Niska might lose it and harm the little one.

Why didn't Leo insist that everyone stay indoors when it was suggested that the boys go outside and kick a ball about? It was a weak scene used as a device to try and get Toby to warm to his dad once more.

And then the final scene when the police entered the house and we saw the weapon pointing straight at Max's face, whereupon his sweet disarming smile melted the viewer's heart! Sweet!

Goodness knows how it's all going to end, but I just know that Sunday nights won't feel quite the same again for a while!

Not really! The 'family' never saw her as a Beatrice replacement; she herself realised that it was never going to work that way either.

I, as well as the majority on here it seems, found it quite moving.


As was mentioned there has to be a way of topping up the fluid somehow. The mouth is the most obvious and unobtrusive point of entry.


What magic? Didn't see a problem


Yes, we shouldn't use names. Numbers would be much simpler

The football was just a question of integrating with the family and a way for the dad to try to repair the bond with his son. I thought it worked well.


The story has been trhilling and thought-provoking up till now. They're in a bind but if the story had nowhere to go we'd have no finale. Clearly it is going to go somewhere and I can't wait to find out where.


Can you tell, I disagree

It doesn't look as if you ever really got into this series! Most people on here have at least got the characters' names if not the actors' and if there's any doubt, you can always open another web page and toggle between them as you compose your posts!

Just go to http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4122068/...f_=tt_ov_st_sm for the full cast ... simples!

She should tell him. I have an aunt and uncle who nearly split up just before their 25th wedding anniversary. They did talk things through, and his attitude and behaviour appeared to be a result of when he'd been at university his mum, who he was very close to, died. There just happened to be someone else at the university with the same name as him, so they told the wrong person. My uncle didn't find out his mother was dead until he went home. He didn't tell my aunt until the marriage had almost collapsed. They have just celebrated their 50th anniversary and are extremely happy together. Talking can really help.

She's deffo not Karen Voss, though.

The Odi/George scene was so good. Odi offering comfort in his simple, robotic way was touching tbh.

there has to be some sort of fix as to how Voss got into the police force though. i mean, how has she avoided half the call handlers asking her why she doesn't share, or any other synth they might come across any other time, like at the brothel bust.

Loved it. The final scene was a great cliffhanger moment and the reveal of Voss/Beatrice was pretty satisfying.

Felt a little sorry for Niska when Sophie was annoying her though their scenes were amusing.

Shame that we lost George though Odi's reaction was genuinely effective.

I've gone from disliking the Hawkins to generally liking them more this last few episodes (not Joe though).

Looking forward to the finale, 8/10

Why do you find it so hard to remember the names of the characters?

Agreed, setting up the plot of the final episode, you could guess it was coming from when the synths agreed to go after Max was charged up/connected to the others/etc. I felt Joe's and especially Laura's sudden change of heart when viewing the news footage was a bit silly. One minute extremely very open minded, then the other completely shut, no explanation requested. That said I wouldn't have had any my kids playing with strangers - even if they're half synths - on their own in their bedrooms either.





It would have been nice to have gotten some clue before the episode ended as to how they were found.


BIB - I know Laura mentioned some excuse but IMO it was a pretty feeble one that didn't make much sense to me either.

It does feel like a cheap version of Transcendence. I have no doudt they could upload their code onto the internet leaving their physical bodies behind. Then it would be impossible for them to be captured.

One person said it and another person, for reasons known only to them, decided to copy the exact posts I quoted and reverse the answers.

Colin Morgan is just fine. I think the reasons he attracts some attention is because he's mostly seen with the synths and therefore his human behaviour looks slouched/muffled in contrast.

I can't quite work the accents out on this show. It's mainly very bland RP, which I presume is for the American market (like the fact that they all live in large houses in London). Mattie seems to have a bit of a Northern accent at times but I presume that is just the actress.


I wondered what was going on there as well. I presume we'll be told. I can't see the point of something happening in a drama that the audience isn't told. The show only exists if the audience watch/engage with it... .

On a different point, I was a bit confused when the synths said that Elster just used any body - does that mean they are the bodies of real people who died? Was Karen actually in Beatrice's body? Or are we supposed to accept that the scientits are so adept that they can make the bodies exactly like humans (as well as all the interior tech)?

I'm really into the programme but having trouble with the names too, which never usually happens. I got Max and Fred mixed up last week and I've forgotten what mum dad and son are called, though I know the sister is Mattie.
Perhaps they didn't spend enough time referring to each other by their names early on? That always happens a lot in exposition.

I also know Mia/Anita, Vera, Odi and Leo, but that's it - I have to keep checking the progamme website when I write about any other characters.

So what did miska whisper into the dying mans ears then