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Old 27-07-2015, 14:20
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there has to be some sort of fix as to how Voss got into the police force though. i mean, how has she avoided half the call handlers asking her why she doesn't share, or any other synth they might come across any other time, like at the brothel bust.
I think she may be more advanced than the others in terms of being able to fit in as human. Either by design, or she just taught herself out of necessity. She has normal looking eyes and can simulate eating. Perhaps she can also simulate sharing?

I'm guessing the police don't require a mandatory medical though, that might be more difficult to pass!
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Old 27-07-2015, 14:24
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The tender death scene with George and Odi was really poignant. Odi's last words 'You're dying, George' were just so pitiful.
I think the line was "You have died, George", which was even more final
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Old 27-07-2015, 16:09
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The people who spotted Hobb had wired up Fred are right - I rewatched. Hobb tells Voss that he has a way to know where the other synths are. We then see Fred twitching in way that suggests it's out of his control. It's realistic that Hobb would be able to do that, given his background. So that's one thing answered.
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Old 27-07-2015, 16:29
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So what did miska whisper into the dying mans ears then
It's Niska .. and at the time we weren't privy to what she whispered in George's ear. The very last thing she said to him before she left the house was: "I wish I could save you. I'm sorry!"
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Old 27-07-2015, 16:33
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I'd assumed Fred had been tampered with while he was being held, I thought he was giving out their location, maybe without being aware it was happening.

Probably way off though!
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Old 27-07-2015, 17:02
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When Pete went to Kate Voss' old school to see if there was anyone there who remembered her, he was shown a photograph of a netball team. The member of staff pointed out Voss (who looked nothing like the young Voss - as we know her - would have looked in her youth) and said that she had died the following year from lymphoma.

Would this have been David Estler's way in to legitimately give his Beatrice substitute an identity for the future? But no, surely not, because he made her to replace his wife, so of course he called her Beatrice too.

So what was the school picture all about?
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Old 27-07-2015, 17:15
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I've noticed on 4od that the Humans catch-up programmes are all denoted 'Series 1 Episodes 1/2/3, etc.'.

This would tend to give the impression that there's a second series planned. Do we know what the future holds?
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Old 27-07-2015, 18:51
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When Pete went to Kate Voss' old school to see if there was anyone there who remembered her, he was shown a photograph of a netball team. The member of staff pointed out Voss (who looked nothing like the young Voss - as we know her - would have looked in her youth) and said that she had died the following year from lymphoma.

Would this have been David Estler's way in to legitimately give his Beatrice substitute an identity for the future? But no, surely not, because he made her to replace his wife, so of course he called her Beatrice too.

So what was the school picture all about?
It showed Pete (and us) that "Voss" had taken on the identity of someone who had died as a child. Elster didn't give her that ID, she did.

It's a genuine form of identity theft, and is often used in fiction.
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Old 27-07-2015, 18:58
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A terrific penultimate episode!

Do we call Voss 'Beatrice' or is that just what Estler wanted her to be? After all, he made her in his wife's image and presumably called her that in the beginning before killing himself.

Nice to see Max recovered from the river, as we all thought he would be. Should have looked a bit more drenched, dirty and bedraggled though.

Comments about Mattie's unrealistic computer abilities are unfounded; remember, she's majoring on IT stuff in college and in the time when the piece is set, there's a real fear that computer based careers are going to be the only options for educated people.

Mia is totally right to encourage Laura to share her childhood issues with Joe. Why the hell she hasn't already done that I cannot comprehend. How can you enter into a lifetime's partnership/marriage with that sort of secret hanging around? It doesn't excuse Joe's previous behaviour with Anita, that was just ill thought through, but if he was to know Laura's whole back story it should help to resolve the relationship rift.

I wonder if Voss really meant to kill George? She was gunning for Niska and in the process shot Vera, but I somehow really don't think she intended to shoot George.

The tender death scene with George and Odi was really poignant. Odi's last words 'You're dying, George' were just so pitiful.

Niska is the really scary one, you expect her to go off on one at any time! I was on tenterhooks during the scene in Sophie's bedroom when the two of them were playing. I thought for a moment that Niska might lose it and harm the little one.

Why didn't Leo insist that everyone stay indoors when it was suggested that the boys go outside and kick a ball about? It was a weak scene used as a device to try and get Toby to warm to his dad once more.

And then the final scene when the police entered the house and we saw the weapon pointing straight at Max's face, whereupon his sweet disarming smile melted the viewer's heart! Sweet!

Goodness knows how it's all going to end, but I just know that Sunday nights won't feel quite the same again for a while!
Niska scares the hell out of me!
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Old 27-07-2015, 20:16
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On a different point, I was a bit confused when the synths said that Elster just used any body - does that mean they are the bodies of real people who died? ...
I took it to mean he just grabbed any spare chassis that was lying around - he presumably had a shed full of standard models for his research and wasn't all that interested in the external features because his main interest was to take off the lid and poke around with a soldering iron.

It does look like there's a whole series of standard heads (though not interchangeable, comedic moments denied!) or faces and it would be possible to either do some randomised tweaks so they look recognisably different (useful to identify which butler saw exactly what) or to randomly generate a new one. Maybe.
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Old 27-07-2015, 20:28
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Niska scares the hell out of me!
Same! The actress is very good, as she plays a complete nutter very convincingly.

I do like Gemma Chan, but I almost get the feeling that she spent too long training to be Anita, as she doesn't seem as 'human' as the other synths when playing Mia. It might just be me.

That said, I think Ruth Bradley has played Beatrice more synth like since the reveal. Before that, it was almost impossible to tell; there were just a few subtle hints that she might not be human.

It's a shame George had to die - I really like William Hurt, and his connection with Odi was sweet. I suppose Odi will be truly scrapped now which is a shame as Will Tudor was great in the role.
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Old 27-07-2015, 21:43
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there has to be some sort of fix as to how Voss got into the police force though. i mean, how has she avoided half the call handlers asking her why she doesn't share, or any other synth they might come across any other time, like at the brothel bust.
She probably does share (not everything obviously).

The others kept themselves hidden away so never got into the habit of Sharing with normal synths. As long as Karen shared and never tried to give an order to a normal synth, normal synths would not announce to the world that she was a Synth.

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On a different point, I was a bit confused when the synths said that Elster just used any body - does that mean they are the bodies of real people who died? Was Karen actually in Beatrice's body? Or are we supposed to accept that the scientits are so adept that they can make the bodies exactly like humans (as well as all the interior tech)?
None of them are in human bodies.

There's probably laws that a synth can't look exactly like a living person (though you may well have some public figures with synths looking just like them for security purposes.)

Actually watched the first few minutes of the Swedish version earlier today and the Odi in that looks plastic.

When Pete went to Kate Voss' old school to see if there was anyone there who remembered her, he was shown a photograph of a netball team. The member of staff pointed out Voss (who looked nothing like the young Voss - as we know her - would have looked in her youth) and said that she had died the following year from lymphoma.

Would this have been David Estler's way in to legitimately give his Beatrice substitute an identity for the future? But no, surely not, because he made her to replace his wife, so of course he called her Beatrice too.

So what was the school picture all about?
Karen/Beatrice just took the identity of the dead girl to blend into society.




Found it amusing that Mia joked about Synths taking over the planet only for her to find out later that the others know a way this could happen.


As to Fred, yeah it seems pretty clear he'd been hacked by Hobbs to send a signal out once all the rogue synths were together.
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Old 27-07-2015, 21:54
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I do like Gemma Chan, but I almost get the feeling that she spent too long training to be Anita, as she doesn't seem as 'human' as the other synths when playing Mia. It might just be me.

That said, I think Ruth Bradley has played Beatrice more synth like since the reveal. Before that, it was almost impossible to tell; there were just a few subtle hints that she might not be human.

It's a shame George had to die - I really like William Hurt, and his connection with Odi was sweet. I suppose Odi will be truly scrapped now which is a shame as Will Tudor was great in the role.
It's such a shame they killed off William Hurt. It was a very powerfull scene but now they've lost him if they get another series.

I think Voss is the same in the scenes when she has to be mistaken for a human - it's just that now we're seeing her in scenes where she doesn't have to so she isn't putting it on. As for Anita/Mia - I think she's very different in the two. Watch the very beginning again when you see Mia. She's at least as 'human' as Fred and Max. Niska has always seemed a bit more human. Maybe because of how Elster treated her... .
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Old 28-07-2015, 00:21
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So how and why was Leo eating? I'm pretty sure he was plugged into a hand dryer in a previous episode when he was on the run with Max.

He's an upgraded version I assume, the Son of the creator.
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Old 28-07-2015, 00:30
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So how and why was Leo eating? I'm pretty sure he was plugged into a hand dryer in a previous episode when he was on the run with Max.

He's an upgraded version I assume, the Son of the creator.
Cause otherwise he would die.

Leo is human, just with synth technology inside him.


He has to plug in now and then to keep his part synth brain working.
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Old 28-07-2015, 00:31
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Leo is a cyborg, like RoboCop.

He was a young boy who drowned, and was re animated by his dad using synth technology and parts.

Some synth parts were put inside him to give him life, and a synth brain to store his memories.
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Old 28-07-2015, 08:22
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So a TV left conveniently on in a corner with rolling news on it. Weak plot device.
All synths in place to do whatever transformation they were threatening to undergo.....conveniently one decides to commit suicide to drag this along, and another two decide to get trigger happy.

Even the father...whatever his name is......looks disinterested in the whole thing.

And people cried when William Hurt (whatever his character was called) died...... Bit like the hunger games movie this.......
Why are you watching a series you clearly do not enjoy enough to even bother to get to know the characters' names?
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Old 28-07-2015, 09:25
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Same!

It's a shame George had to die - I really like William Hurt, and his connection with Odi was sweet. I suppose Odi will be truly scrapped now which is a shame as Will Tudor was great in the role.
I haven't quite given up on Odi

Could be wishful thinking but....

Odi has been taken to the lab to see if they can extract any memories from him as to what happened when George was killed before being scrapped.

The other Synths will probably end up at the lab to be studied before decommissioning/killing them

Hobb is not unsympathetic and a scientist so may allow them to work out what is hidden in their programming.....and if it is a way to make synths conscious then maybe Odi, being handy, will be their guinea pig.....


Or maybe what is hidden in their heads is Esher as I originally thought but I am hoping they make Odi a 'real little boy'
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Old 28-07-2015, 10:14
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Has the series already started transmission in the US? I was wondering how it is being received there.
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Old 28-07-2015, 11:23
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Has the series already started transmission in the US? I was wondering how it is being received there.
The season started in the US on June 28 two weeks after the UK showing of the first episode. There's an interesting professional review here.
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Old 28-07-2015, 11:31
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Has the series already started transmission in the US? I was wondering how it is being received there.
The wiki page suggests they are a few episodes behind us in US/Canada. It's being broadcast on AMC (I have never heard of that channel) as they part-funded the series after XBox studios went under.
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Old 28-07-2015, 11:37
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Would be interesting to see if they try and bring George back as a synth in the second series. He could have some useful info about David or the general concept of Synths they require to achieve something
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Old 28-07-2015, 12:36
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The wiki page suggests they are a few episodes behind us in US/Canada. It's being broadcast on AMC (I have never heard of that channel) as they part-funded the series after XBox studios went under.


AMC are responsible for such brilliant shows as Breaking Bad, The Walking Dead and Mad Men to name but a few.
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Old 28-07-2015, 12:44
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I think it could've been a terrific show, but the wooden acting and perfunctory writing has been a consistent drag.

Being a joint-production with AMC, I was expecting something a bit more polished.
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Old 28-07-2015, 12:49
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AMC are responsible for such brilliant shows as Breaking Bad, The Walking Dead and Mad Men to name but a few.
Oic, TWD + AMC does sound familiar. To be fair I don't watch a lot of dramas (time consuming). Heard of BB + MM obvs.

I was looking forward to a couple of plot points from the Swedish version showing up in ours. Especially the
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Can't see that happening now.
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