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What is good ratings for an American channel no one has heard of?
I do think it's very British, even London, specific so I'm not surprised the American are struggling. It's hard to know whether they will fall for something that is almost too British (in a Four Weddings kind of way) or just find it too remote (as I suspect I would if it were set in Sweden). I thought with all the RP and large houses they might buy into the Englishness of it - but I guess not, if those numbers are poor ratings. Perhaps C4 can make it cheaper with few less glossy settings. We don't need massive car parks/forests/under water shots for series 2. And there's no William Hurt fees to pay out for. ![]() Seriously, it must have been one of C4's most successful shows in years. I can't imagine they wouldn't make at least one more series. Does anyone know what the ratings are for Episodes (the BBC 2 show) on both sides? |
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To draw comparison, I think the Caitlyn Jenner series is shown on US cable and got sonething like ~4m viewers which was considered good. US TV factor in the age of viewers too, the 21-49 demo being most sought after IIRC.
One more episode - 42 minutes - would be a very abrupt ending. |
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Well agree, but 4 million viewers is far different from 1 million.
No matter how upscale the demographic is, that tiny figure causes a show cancellation always in the US on any cable channel. I think people should remember that while Indian Summers and No Offence were both critically acclaimed and rightly so, their ratings both dropped off sharply. And for Humans, Channel 4 has only released the episode 1 viewing figures, that concerns me. |
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I'm agreeing with you WAMD, it's just surprising how low US figures are given their population, that even middlingly successful broadcasts get under 5m. Bizarre.
![]() I think anything below 2-3m would be deemed a flop/turkey. Drastic budget cuts I say!
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Just double checked, was wrong in first post. The Channel 4 / AMC budget for series 1 was £12 million, still nearly 2 million an episode though which is a big commitment for Channel 4 on its own. Must be the expensive London location of the shoot.
Channel 4 has to judge whether ratings are sliding as often happens with drama series and will that continue in a second series when the novelty factor is gone. |
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It's worth remembering that the 7-day consolidated ratings for the first six episodes have all come in at around 4.2m, so there is a decent-sized, stable audience - they're just not watching it live.
Obviously that also highlights an issue with how consolidated figures can be monetised, but the point is that people are actually watching the show even if the overnights don't look like it. |
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I watch it via my PVR so I must be one of the viewers in the "consolidated" amount.
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I watch it via my PVR so I must be one of the viewers in the "consolidated" amount.
Personally I don't expect it to last beyond two seasons.
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I do wonder why it costs 2 million per episode. It's not big on special effects and it appears to be filmed 'locally' (rather than, for example, costly locations outside the UK).
I also think the first couple of episodes were not the best. Although I enjoyed them, the 'action' parts with Leo and the synths could have put some viewers off, as it was hard to work out what was going on at that point. Perhaps the US figures will pick up again as the series progresses. It's a depressing reflection of audience taste though when the Caitlyn Jenner show picks up four times more viewers than a decent drama. |
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It's a depressing reflection of audience taste though when the Caitlyn Jenner show picks up four times more viewers than a decent drama.
I don't know the show you mention, but I find it seriously depressing that Mrs. Brown's Boys, which I find moronic, regularly pulls in 9 - 10 million viewers. |
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I don't know the show you mention, but I find it seriously depressing that Mrs. Brown's Boys, which I find moronic, regularly pulls in 9 - 10 million viewers.
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Don't want to worry all the fans, (I am one too).
But just been looking at the AMC Network (the co-commission partner with Channel 4) and the US ratings are catastrophic, first week 2.6 million, which is meagre by US standards, and later weeks not much more than a million. That is a turkey figure. Quote:
AMC today announced that “TURN: Washington’s Spies” has been renewed for a third season of 10 episodes to air in 2016. The Revolutionary War period drama delivered an average of 1.6 million viewers in its second season...
“TURN: Washington’s Spies” ranks as the third most affluent scripted drama among adults 18-49 and adults 25-54 on ad-supported television in the 2014-2015 season, |
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I think it's just because it's a quality drama (ie good acting/directing/cinematography) with characters and a story that most people can relate to.
If the story ever was to drag (actually I don't think it has at all, which is why so many of us 'can't wait for the next episode') then the visual appeal would probably serve to keep the audience watching. |
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Several of our friends have been recording Humans and plan to watch the whole 8-episode season after it has finished airing. We record it to watch twice later in the week.
Personally I don't expect it to last beyond two seasons. ![]() |
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Does anyone know what the ratings are for Episodes (the BBC 2 show) on both sides? Season 4 Ratings It was doing over a million on BBC2 in the earlier seasons, not sure how the 4th season did. A 5th Season was announced last month. Quote:
Do we know yet whether a second season has been commissioned?
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Don't want to worry all the fans, (I am one too).
But just been looking at the AMC Network (the co-commission partner with Channel 4) and the US ratings are catastrophic, first week 2.6 million, which is meagre by US standards, and later weeks not much more than a million. That is a turkey figure. They will definitely not stump up the cash for a second series with Channel 4, the Americans just can't grasp the subtle plot. And it is nearly 2 million pounds an episode to produce, that is a monster figure for Channel 4 on its own. Second, you have no context in which to interpret these ratings on AMC. AMC -- notwithstanding all the attention it gets because it has had some hugely critically-acclaimed and award-winning shows -- is a small cable channel in the US market with small ratings as a norm. Also, unlike in the UK where number of total viewers matter, in America the important rating is the age 18-49 demographic, which is represented in audience share percentage. Sunday's episode of Humans on AMC got a 0.4 rating in the 18-49 demo, which is DOUBLE the 18-49 rating of the episode of the series that aired after it on Sunday night, Halt And Catch Fire. HACF is fully an AMC production so it no doubt costs AMC a lot more money than the portion of Humans' budget that Channel 4 isn't paying. Bottom line: Humans is good "value for money" for AMC. I can't imagine that AMC executives will be anything other than delighted to co-fund a season 2, and probably look forward to having the show well beyond season 2. |
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But just been looking at the AMC Network (the co-commission partner with Channel 4) and the US ratings are catastrophic, first week 2.6 million, which is meagre by US standards, and later weeks not much more than a million. That is a turkey figure.
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What is good ratings for an American channel no one has heard of?
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I haven't watched the swedish series; from what I can gather, Real Humans had a slightly broader scope and looked at societal consequences of Hubots (synths) as well as the familial. That's just an observation gleaned from synopses I've read tbh - whaddya reckon Gilly/Real Humans viewers? Or is that off-piste.
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To draw comparison, I think the Caitlyn Jenner series is shown on US cable and got sonething like ~4m viewers which was considered good. US TV factor in the age of viewers too, the 21-49 demo being most sought after IIRC.
One more episode - 42 minutes - would be a very abrupt ending. The Americans is amazing and doesn't get quite that, and that's up for Emmey's. Fwiw The Americans also struggles to get 1 mill live - it's all about time-shifting nowadays. |
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And it is nearly 2 million pounds an episode to produce, that is a monster figure for Channel 4 on its own. Big cast though. |
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You may not have heard of AMC, but have you heard of Breaking Bad, Mad Men, and The Walking Dead? All three are AMC original dramas.
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4mill for a US cable channel is seriously proper.
The Americans is amazing and doesn't get quite that, and that's up for Emmey's. Fwiw The Americans also struggles to get 1 mill live - it's all about time-shifting nowadays. With AMC, if they are happy with a programme they'll still be interested in Humans being renewed. They renewed Hell on Wheels after season one even though the ratings weren't as good as hoped and it eventually garnered great viewing figures even though it was shown on Saturday nights which in the US is not a good night for television viewers. It will be ending next yea,r but made it to season 5 because it became so popular. |
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Couldn't watch this last episode live, and have only just caught up. I thought it was a really good episode, a bit slower than last week perhaps but still a lot happening. George and Odi was so sad I wonder if Hobb will find whatever it is in Odi's memory that was going to make George bash his head in when he thought he couldn't be fixed? Hopefully that will keep him from destroying Odi. I thought it was interesting to see the dynamics between the concious synths and the family when they were all grouped together. I'm hoping next week will give us a final answer on Hobb's motivation; was he telling the truth to Fred when he said he wanted to help or was he telling the truth to Karen when he said he'd help stop the others? Or was he lying to both of them and really he has a whole different plan. I can't see Max being dismissed as junk as they were caught by Hobb who already knows all about them, he saw Max on the bridge with Leo last week, he knows he's an advanced synth too.Quote:
On a different point, will we ever find out why Mia/Anita took Sophie out that night and where they went?
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I must say I don't really find Leo or Niska very likeable at all. I know we're supposed to think they've had hard lives and developed a real distrust of humans but tbh they're just coming off as unpleasant and ungrateful for the sake of it.
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I think we're supposed to acknowledge that Niska is very dangerous indeed.
It's what I really like about the character. The sense of danger and feeling on edge. Quote:
William Hurt is a big loss, don't think I have ever seen him do anything but a superb performance in all his films. One thing that does bother me, every man on screen now who is over sixty years old is cast as an alzheimers sufferer, that is lazy casting.
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Though I'm wondering how much might have been prompted by Fred who seemed to be muttering something up at the window and maybe not just into thin air? Also, the left hand twitching I suspect is part of a 'super synth secret syncing' that the humans will never be told about...?
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Could the hand thing just have been Fred running a few search programs re: their security rather than something sinister? I find Niska and Fred quite scary at times.
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I also noticed that him and Niska were both doing exactly the same thing when plugged in charging. I guess we'll find out next episode.
I assume the fourth finger is just to show the synths are working. I noticed Niska smile when she reactivated Odi and his fourth finger moved. Quote:
It gets less than half a million on Showtime.
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Showtime and HBO are premium cable channels, you pay a separate subscription for them, so half a million is quite good. Much like Sky Atlantic being happy with 60,000 people watching Mad Men. AMC is basic cable and many basic cable shows in the US get cancelled if audience drops below 2 million.
Channel 4's is financially weak as a kitten still, (they just dumped the NFL rights, which are not expensive). Please nobody have a canary if Humans is not renewed. |
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and have only just caught up. I thought it was a really good episode, a bit slower than last week perhaps but still a lot happening. George and Odi was so sad
I wonder if Hobb will find whatever it is in Odi's memory that was going to make George bash his head in when he thought he couldn't be fixed? Hopefully that will keep him from destroying Odi. I thought it was interesting to see the dynamics between the concious synths and the family when they were all grouped together. I'm hoping next week will give us a final answer on Hobb's motivation; was he telling the truth to Fred when he said he wanted to help or was he telling the truth to Karen when he said he'd help stop the others? Or was he lying to both of them and really he has a whole different plan. I can't see Max being dismissed as junk as they were caught by Hobb who already knows all about them, he saw Max on the bridge with Leo last week, he knows he's an advanced synth too.