Yet again......the forum and its fab members comes to the rescue. Thanks Mr Messy, much appreciated!!

Very nice

Thanks, yes, that's how I saw it - the mind meld allowed them to access the full code and save it. But it also did something to them. Although it's not clear what.

- I think I was expecting more, some sort of thunderclap at least

I more or less agree with the two posts above, especially the idea of the series coming to an end as if the original script writer/producer/director walked out midway and someone else quickly tried to tie up a story out of the rest of the episodes, which is how it came across to me.

I didn't expect to get all the answers to the questions but I think some were left unanswered because there isn't a plausible answer to give without a huge scoop of artistic license. Some things were just weird - one minute Top Cop was telling Suspended Cop to get lost, next minute Suspended Cop was in the house just behind him! Then he's creeping back into the house to speak with the family... why do that when he was in the house in the first place?
Then I thought the family was on lock down while the police searched their house, but why ask for their mobile devices when they then can walk around the place how they wanted (and hide/use other devices)?

And the whole 'let them go' routine was just unbelievable.... as was the laboratory guy viewing Leo's flashbacks and not noticing that woman shown on screen was identical to the one standing behind him, speaking with him, etc.... oh my I could go on. This episode and the previous episode was just weak which is a shame to say as the story line could have been portrayed much much better than it did. The best thing about this last episode was the reappearance of Max.

Oh you meant in control of the situation? I thought you meant in control of her own consciousness and that Mia was sentient.

Lol yes - another Odi fan here, who discovered the delights of Googling 'Will Tudor' a few weeks back

I really did enjoy the George/Odi strand of the story, though. I found their relationship very sweet and touching. I was impressed at the way Will Tudor was so convincing as a synth, yet somehow portrayed more human-like fragility and evoked more empathy (for me, at least) than any of the sentient synths.

I do hope that Odi can be rescued and restored in Series 2. If not, I'm not sure that I find the rest of the characters sufficiently interesting or engaging enough to stick with it for another series.

Do you mean the bit when their eyes went white? I think that was supposed to be because of Karen sabotaging the connection, when she was forcing them to relive their darkest moments or whatever it was, to stop them from getting the code.

and with much better eye lashes, how does she get them so curly

Mia hasn't said she didn't have control either when she could easily do so. Even when specifically asked by Laura (who, by the way, obviously has her suspicions) all she did was stay mute and drop her gaze to the floor.

I could enumerate the many indications that Mia was in control at the time, but I'll just ask one question: Why did the writers have Mia say that she was able to exercise control over Anita at times? It subverts the whole trapped-helplessly-inside storyline (why didn't she try and contact Max during one of those times; presumably she knows his mobile number)!

All the writers needed to explain Anita's unusual behaviour was for Mia to be able to to nudge her occasionally. No, something significant must have happened where it was important for future plot lines that Mia was in control at the time. And it's difficult to think of anything else.

(I suspect that either Joe or Laura's life will be at risk next season, possibly from a potentially fatal illness. Something that will bring Mia back to the Hawkins' household despite the dangers.)

Be very interested to hear what you think in the other thread as you came to the original second

Well I enjoyed the series as a whole.

And I liked the finale a lot and very glad didn't fall into that trap that many a finale do of turning into some lets blow the budget for a big action packed send off with Mission Impossible style rescue and lots of car chases. I kinda like how when Fred 'turned' they just switched him off!

However I do agree that it was also slightly unsatisfying. There was a lot of cast and it felt like they were all slightly shortchanged somewhat. I think they could have stretched it out over two episodes (maybe one while in captivity and the other during the escape) to allow a bit more interaction between characters in order to make them more meaty and give more pay off.

I do hope we see more of the Stella Gonet character in season 2, I do think she's kinda good at those women in authority roles.

I am binge watching the show now

A well written and put together show. But some of the acting is some of the worst I have seen in a sci-fi show for years. Thankfully William Hurt, Gemma Chan and Colin Morgan remind us that truly stunning acting does exist. All of which deserve award attention. Colin proves yet again he might be one of the best actors to come out of Ireland in a long time.

It's a damn sight better than most of the awful american sci-fi crap that has come out over the last few years.

Together with Damien Molony and Aidan Turner. However, we must remember that Colin Morgan is from Northern Ireland and the others from the Republic of Ireland (Eire).

I have just noticed that the quote I used above has been changed in the original post!

No it's back

I was having problems wording myself and have edited my post several times

Agree with all of this.


I'd add Emily Berrington and Will Tudor (Niska and Odi) to the good list.


Why must we?

How did Mattie get her laptop ? Did she hide it from the police or retrieve it from the van ? I thought she only retrieved Leo's laptop from the van. Also thought that Laura got her phone back pretty quick from the police.

They got a bunch of assorted stuff from the van, including a few items not mentioned by name, so I think we can take it that they found one or two essential items and then a few other objects of opportunity, presumably including e.g. mains lead, connectors etc.

Phones were returned quickly due to someone somewhere realising either that there was going to be a legal problem (Laura knowing actual rights as opposed to yooman ones) or Hobbes (presumably in turn ordered by Calvin ) told them to hand it all back because he had a cunning plan that might just work. Plus or minus required for convenience of script.

I love Will Tudor and I loved Odi and George. i would rather see more of them than the other storyline. Cannot stand Niska or the copper woman.

Save Odi!!

Same i want to see Odi in a main storyline.

the problem with the finale I felt was that all the other characters were side lined, the family even Maddie got precious little to do, sure the synths took centre stage and rightly so, but still its a worry for the second series. Even previous star Myra/Anti seemed wasted, as the far less interesting Leo and cop synth took centre stage.

Also having read some spoilers for the Sweedish series 1 finale im glad .

Meanwhile George and Odi are a loss to the show, more so George, but it feels like we may need some new characters in series 2.

I liked the finale but it's a great job this was picked up for a second series because so much was ultimately set up for another round of episodes.

Niska at the end, yeah I saw that coming. Satisfying enough twist though.

I did like seeing all the Synths banding together in this one along with Beatrice/Voss seemed conflicted enough.

The Hawkins have come a long way as characters too, 8/10

It's a little odd because I still haven't watched the last few episodes of Humans and I'm now half way through series 1 of the Swedish Version. Nevertheless I'm enjoying both series very much and they're sufficiently different, so it doesn't get too confusing.

Colin Morgan a stunning actor? Not in my eyes he isn't, I'm with Broxi on this one.

All down to opinion but he is damn sight better than his Merlin co-star Bradley James who for some reason has managed to crack into american television with his one expression and monotone voice.

I agree about Bradley James, he is awful in iZombie.