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Old 18-12-2016, 23:05
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What an ending, interesting to see how a third series will go.
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Old 18-12-2016, 23:51
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What an ending, interesting to see how a third series will go.
I'm really looking forward to the next series, hope we don't have to wait forever for it. Tonight's episode was excellent, Hester isn't somebody (something?) you'd want anywhere near you when she's in human-hating mood which seemed to be the norm for her. Are we now to assume she's gone for good or can she be brought back? In some ways Humans reminds me of The Returned as in both series you don't really know who's dead or gone for good or whether they might come back in some way. I personally love all the weirdness of this sort of programme, trying to think what might or could happen if all this was actually real.

I'm reading a book about the future at the moment and what might actually happen in various fields, it's called 'Physics of the Future: How Science Will Shape Human Destiny and Our Daily Lives by the Year 2100' by Michio Kaku. I'm sceptical about how accurate such predictions can be, but Kaku is an atomic physicist and thus might have more idea of what he's talking about than most writers of such books.
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Old 18-12-2016, 23:56
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Ooo, good episode. I really like how they drew the various story strands together, worked very well I thought.

Why did Hestor kill Pete though? Killing the doctor I understood, but Pete? Just seemed like a randomly malicious act?
I thought that was the point.
She no longer needs a reason to kill other than that it feels good.
She's a bad un, who enjoys hurting and killing people, just as some humans do.

Plus she feels she has a justification due to humans having abused synths, but that is just an excuse as she'll also kill hunans who are sympathetic and have actively helped Synths.
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Old 19-12-2016, 00:15
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Hmmm

A world full of sentient synths and a sentient AI wandering the interwebs!!

Looks like a great set-up for series 3.
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Old 19-12-2016, 06:41
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I REALLY enjoyed that, looking forward to series 3
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Old 19-12-2016, 08:17
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I just watched last nights episode and thought it was very good. I've also read the review of the episode on the main Digital Spy page, it seems to say that the chances of a third series depend on the ratings on AMC which I think seems a bit silly, why should a show that's made in the UK have to rely on ratings from another country to decide whether more episodes get made or not.
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Old 19-12-2016, 09:51
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I enjoy humans, but I find episodes can veer between brilliant and ridiculous even between scenes.

Last night, scene between DI Voss/kid was outstanding. Initially I found the kid irritating but it was interesting how she was basically using him (as designed) to it generate key emotional responses. Again the synth character out acting the humans by a good factor, a theme I find in this series.

But then we have the telegraphed ending that we could all see coming from the moment we knew Mia had a brain chip, and being warned about 50 times not to be near the electro-magnetic thing. Hmmm, wonder if a situation will arise where Mia has to be near the electro thing! There it is.

But then, it doesn't actually matter and they just bring her back to life anyway because activating the synyhs consciousness also brings them back to life as well? Err, what?

Then Niska crushed Hester's brain, even I liked that.
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Old 19-12-2016, 10:18
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Hmmm, wonder if a situation will arise where Mia has to be near the electro thing! There it is.
When you have things like that there is a degree of inevitability (to the point of it being an absolute script requirement) that said situation has to arise. Presumably it's a "Chekhov's Gun" thing if I understood the term correctly.

But then, it doesn't actually matter and they just bring her back to life anyway because activating the synyhs consciousness also brings them back to life as well? Err, what?
I wasn't entirely sure about that one either, I was wondering if the 'electro fence' around The Silo was extra-powerful and would actually zap the synth brains and the signal from the phone would only tell the chip to just start dissolving everything - but thinking about it, of course it's all the same but we didn't see the reasoning.
Which I hope is sort of along the lines of:
The chip activates and immobilises the synth before it starts to slowly eat the brain, thus giving sufficient time between 'zap' and 'nothing left but slurpy straw noises' for a load of self-repairing magic code to be stuffed in to fill the gaps.

I like the way 'V' is now out there in the wild, does sort of have me thinking of 'Her'*. And as per an earlier remark, lots of newly-freed synths now looking for guidance, if only there was someone with personal experience of such an electronic self-discovery that could talk to them from the cloud because she's definitely smart enough to figure that out...



* Harold's Machine from the much-missed Person of Interest
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Old 19-12-2016, 11:04
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IMO this has been excellent from beginning to end really hope there is a next series and we get to see what happens next.
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Old 19-12-2016, 11:20
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Overall I didn't think this series was as good as the first but it was certainly an exciting ending!
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Old 19-12-2016, 14:44
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I thought that was the point.
She no longer needs a reason to kill other than that it feels good.
She's a bad un, who enjoys hurting and killing people, just as some humans do.

Plus she feels she has a justification due to humans having abused synths, but that is just an excuse as she'll also kill hunans who are sympathetic and have actively helped Synths.
Yeah, the fact she wanted to kill Laura (someone trying to help synths) just because tells me it was no longer about "the cause", or even revenge, but just killing people for the hell of it.

Laura kind of psychoanalyzed Hester a little, which was interesting. Essentially Hester was broken, but could have (with help) possibly been reformed. Oh well, Niska asked her to play nice...

Great finale I thought. Kudos to the writers for (mostly) tying everything up so well. When you've seen all the episodes it doesn't seem quite so meandering in nature. They also fit quite a lot into just eight episodes which is impressive.

Hope there's a season three, there's huge potential there.
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Old 19-12-2016, 16:24
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If people are trying to place where they've seen the actress that plays Hestor before, she was the 'Geordie lass' in 'The Paradise', the BBC's Victorian department store series from a couple of years back.
Also, she was in last week's episode of 'Rillington Place' as Reg and Ethel looked on at the new housing estate was being built.
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Old 19-12-2016, 16:41
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Real hate would have had her mowing them all down. With a stapler.
Point taken, although it's a thin line. She told Laura she was going to kill her children and then kill her, and the only apparent purpose for this was to get Max to admit she'd been right. For me this episode felt a bit flat compared to the previous one. Hester changed from being an interesting character, largely justified because of the scale of oppression she is trying to defeat, to being a boring psycho with tiny goals.

Next season needs to be very different, now that all the synths are awake, and V is let loose on the internet.

I like the way 'V' is now out there in the wild, does sort of have me thinking of 'Her'*.
It reminded me more of the AI in Card's Ender's Game sequel novels. Unfortunately she never had much of a character in this show.
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Old 19-12-2016, 16:48
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Apparently I've missed the loop here; I thought the episode where those (few) synths were rescued the other week was actually the final, so I didn't tune in to watch this latest one. Guess I'll get to that at some point this evening.

I did see the scene between Laura & Hester on Facebook, and thought it was an early scene for next season. Imagine my shock upon seeing this topic thriving with activity.
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Old 19-12-2016, 18:29
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I just watched last nights episode and thought it was very good. I've also read the review of the episode on the main Digital Spy page, it seems to say that the chances of a third series depend on the ratings on AMC which I think seems a bit silly, why should a show that's made in the UK have to rely on ratings from another country to decide whether more episodes get made or not.
AMC probably provide most of the budget, Channel 4 couldn't afford to recommission it on their own.
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Old 19-12-2016, 19:54
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Great series but I lament the fact Carrie-Anne Moss was so under-utilised. She just seemed to mope around quite a lot talking to her sentient laptop. She could have at least worn a PVC coat and sunglasses whilst doing so...!
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Old 20-12-2016, 07:10
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Great series but I lament the fact Carrie-Anne Moss was so under-utilised. She just seemed to mope around quite a lot talking to her sentient laptop. She could have at least worn a PVC coat and sunglasses whilst doing so...!
At least she wasn't killed off like season one's big Hollywood star William Hurt was.
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Old 20-12-2016, 10:11
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Great series but I lament the fact Carrie-Anne Moss was so under-utilised. She just seemed to mope around quite a lot talking to her sentient laptop. She could have at least worn a PVC coat and sunglasses whilst doing so...!
She was boring i hated her character. Nodded off to most of her scenes.

I only really like Odi, i don't find the rest very likeable, synch or not.
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Old 20-12-2016, 11:09
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Good final episode that effectively wrapped up the series and explained why the non-psychopathic synths were giving Data a run for his money in their desire to be human: Elster had programmed them that way. Good luck with that journey babes.

I was hoping for something different but hey ho - humans make all humanoids a version of themselves (even God) so that was clearly naive on my part. At least it didn't go down the pan a la Utopia season 2

If there's a third series I'll watch it, if not I won't be too bothered. It's not as if the lie of the land isn't already crystal clear.
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Old 20-12-2016, 13:13
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If there's a third series I'll watch it, if not I won't be too bothered. It's not as if the lie of the land isn't already crystal clear.
Oh, I don't know. There's a lot of potential ways it could be developed.

There's the Alien Nation situation of integrating what are essentially a new underclass, the Terminator route of a war between mankind and their creations, the Transcendence option of an unstoppable AI that can only be taken out by a global technology shutdown and all that entails. It could ultimately be a fight for which side controls the software and distribution system.
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Old 20-12-2016, 13:22
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She was boring i hated her character. Nodded off to most of her scenes.

I only really like Odi, i don't find the rest very likeable, synch or not.
For the life of me I can't see why you bothered watching then given this was a minor character who was only in it for a few episodes and offered nothing.
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Old 20-12-2016, 13:58
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It won’t sound like I enjoyed it from what I’m about to write, but I did enjoy this series.

But…

Leo being sympathetic to synths, yup, fancying Hester, fine, all good, nothing to see here. Trusting the nutter after all she did? Come off it. Plus she might be attractive, but she had the personality of a cold fish.

The scientist woman did so little as far as I saw. I know it wasn’t that sort of plot (more emotional and expositional), but unless I missed something, she barely had an impact upon the other plot lines, she was just there.

Sophie and Renie, whose synthie-ness was built up through the series, were barely present in the final without much of a conclusion or development to their plots, apart from the dad leaving.

It would have been good to see a little more in the line of conscious synth children before it wrapped up, apart from preventing Voss’s suicide.

Going back an episode or two – I didn’t like how Mia went from nurturing sensible mother figure to reactionary idiot just because she got betrayed by a man. Making a synth a bunny boiler is just as bad as doing it to a human woman. I liked her return to form being protective and sacrificial to save the mother at the end
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Old 20-12-2016, 15:03
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For the life of me I can't see why you bothered watching then given this was a minor character who was only in it for a few episodes and offered nothing.
I'd hardly call Odi a minor character, especially as he had history from series 1.
I watched because i liked the first series and wanted to see how it all panned out. I didn't find series 2 that great. I hated the addition of the Carrie Anne Moss character. And where i quite liked characters such as Leo, Mia and the family in the first series, they fell flat for me this time round.
Is that ok with you?
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Old 20-12-2016, 15:07
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The scientist woman did so little as far as I saw. I know it wasn’t that sort of plot (more emotional and expositional), but unless I missed something, she barely had an impact upon the other plot lines, she was just there
I thought her story was interesting both in the ethics of transplanting a human mind into a synth body and the prospect of the saved human mind continuing to grow and develop beyond what would have happened if it still occupied its own human body. Both themes for future series to explore further.
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Old 20-12-2016, 15:15
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I thought her story was interesting both in the ethics of transplanting a human mind into a synth body and the prospect of the saved human mind continuing to grow and develop beyond what would have happened if it still occupied its own human body. Both themes for future series to explore further.
Yeah, and I got that, but I just wish she had a more purposeful interaction with the main plot. Sure, she was there for the child synths, and she was there when Pete was killed, but apart from when she met the synth hunter (I think?) she didn't have any agency in anyone else's story, however small - she just very briefly interacted with Voss.

It didn't have to be anything big, but I think I'm right in saying all other characters had a significant interaction with another plot at some point, and scientist woman was just... there.
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