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Yeah Trinity didn't really do a whole lot looking back, they kind of dragged it out. I don't have a problem with the story arc itself but the pacing was poor.
Why did they bring Odi back as well? And why didn't they just take the chip out of Mia? Her psycho reaction to her boyfriend was never really explained either? She'd already convinced him to let her go, then just attacked him! |
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Her psycho reaction to her boyfriend was never really explained either? She'd already convinced him to let her go, then just attacked him!
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Yeah Trinity didn't really do a whole lot looking back, they kind of dragged it out. I don't have a problem with the story arc itself but the pacing was poor.
Why did they bring Odi back as well? And why didn't they just take the chip out of Mia? Her psycho reaction to her boyfriend was never really explained either? She'd already convinced him to let her go, then just attacked him! I assume the chip is too deep in the "brain" for them to easily remove the chip, otherwise i am sure they would have done. |
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Surely Odi was brought back so that they could show how not all synths want to be conscious.
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I assume the chip is too deep in the "brain" for them to easily remove the chip, otherwise i am sure they would have done.
That was how I figured it as well - it's easy to stick a pea in the middle of a mass of spaghetti, but extracting it again is another thing entirely!As for Athena, that was a critical part of the moral/ethical aspect too - the refusal to kill a conscious synth by reprogramming it with 'V', the point that technically 'V' was owned by the company, and being let loose on the interwebs, which one might argue may present a greater danger as she becomes a true master of hacking, trolling etc... |
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Surely Odi was brought back so that they could show how not all synths want to be conscious. It was quite a sad storyline for him, not able to find a place in the world he rejected being conscious and returned to his original state, almost like suicide i guess. I thought it was a very good story arc.
I assume the chip is too deep in the "brain" for them to easily remove the chip, otherwise i am sure they would have done. Will Tudor played Odi so well too, great actor. |
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Surely Odi was brought back so that they could show how not all synths want to be conscious. It was quite a sad storyline for him, not able to find a place in the world he rejected being conscious and returned to his original state, almost like suicide i guess. I thought it was a very good story arc.
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... so may end up committing suicide a second time.
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Odi was important to the story, and his relationship with Mattie was by far the best thing about this series.
Will Tudor played Odi so well too, great actor. |
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But why Odi specifically, is what I meant. They could've gone for any synth really.
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i want to see this come back for a 3rd series. its the best SCFI yet
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i want to see this come back for a 3rd series. its the best SCFI yet
I wouldn't put it in the same class as Westworld, Firefly, Bladerunner, Inception, Alien, Battlestar Galactica (apart from the abysmal final episode), Babylon 5, The Matrix...... to be honest I could go on all day. Saying that I'd watch a 3rd series, can't ever have enough Sc Fi to take us away from this shitty current world! |
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Consolidated ratings so far.
Episode 1: 3.9m (+143k All4) Episode 2: 3m (+114k All4) Episode 3: 2.4m (+104k All4) Episode 4: 2.3m (+92k All4) For comparison, last year's: Episode 1: 6.8m Episode 2: 6.01m Episode 3: 5.2m Episode 4: 5.5m |
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Consolidated ratings so far.
Episode 1: 3.9m (+143k All4) Episode 2: 3m (+114k All4) Episode 3: 2.4m (+104k All4) Episode 4: 2.3m (+92k All4) For comparison, last year's: Episode 1: 6.8m Episode 2: 6.01m Episode 3: 5.2m Episode 4: 5.5m I suspect no series three. |
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I thought it started slow but I really enjoyed the last few episodes. Bit meh with the whole Niska wants to be tried as a human then just gives up and escapes plot. Would have been much more interesting to play that out and have them see she was undeniably 'conscious'.
The end clearly left it open for a third series. Trouble is by the time it airs I'll be passed caring and will have forgotten about what happened with series two. Much as I did with series one. |
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Oh, I don't know. There's a lot of potential ways it could be developed.
There's the Alien Nation situation of integrating what are essentially a new underclass, the Terminator route of a war between mankind and their creations, the Transcendence option of an unstoppable AI that can only be taken out by a global technology shutdown and all that entails. It could ultimately be a fight for which side controls the software and distribution system. Quote:
As for Athena, that was a critical part of the moral/ethical aspect too - the refusal to kill a conscious synth by reprogramming it with 'V', [lacuna]
I enjoyed the show in that I liked spending time in that world, but the finale was weak in my view. |
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It is good and has some interesting ideas (mostly lifted from other sci fi books and films).
I wouldn't put it in the same class as Westworld, Firefly, Bladerunner, Inception, Alien, Battlestar Galactica (apart from the abysmal final episode), Babylon 5, The Matrix...... to be honest I could go on all day. Saying that I'd watch a 3rd series, can't ever have enough Sc Fi to take us away from this shitty current world! |
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... To me she was pretty clearly evil for continuing to experiment.
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Then seeing Hester go nuts makes her change her mind?
I think she was already getting there and this was the final realisation - along with meeting Karen - that made her stop. And scared too, because we all know full well when a robot wants you dead, it can't be bargained with, it can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear though the 'absolutely will not stop' bit was thwarted by a glass door
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I'm guessing they'll stick with synths as a metaphor for black slaves.
I did pick up on that, but still thought it was underplayed. And really, she should have known from the start. The whole point of the synths she was experimenting on was that they were conscious, and she knew that because that's why she wanted those particular ones. To me she was pretty clearly evil for continuing to experiment. Then seeing Hester go nuts makes her change her mind? I enjoyed the show in that I liked spending time in that world, but the finale was weak in my view. |
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I'm guessing they'll stick with synths as a metaphor for black slaves.
I did pick up on that, but still thought it was underplayed. And really, she should have known from the start. The whole point of the synths she was experimenting on was that they were conscious, and she knew that because that's why she wanted those particular ones. To me she was pretty clearly evil for continuing to experiment. Then seeing Hester go nuts makes her change her mind? I enjoyed the show in that I liked spending time in that world, but the finale was weak in my view. |
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I think she was already getting there and this was the final realisation - along with meeting Karen - that made her stop. And scared too, because we all know full well when a robot wants you dead, it can't be bargained with, it can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear though the 'absolutely will not stop' bit was thwarted by a glass door ![]() |
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Anyone care to have pick at this post, I must have misunderstood the program completely if the above is the case.
There's a number of different perspectives and interpretations available at the moment, to be resolved in the next series when Call-Me-Hester grinds the last of the fleshies underfoot. |
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Great series but I lament the fact Carrie-Anne Moss was so under-utilised. She just seemed to mope around quite a lot talking to her sentient laptop. She could have at least worn a PVC coat and sunglasses whilst doing so...!
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Not quite sure what your post is saying .. the actress looked familiar but I couldn't place her. At least her character wasn't killed, so no doubt you'll see her again in series three.
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Consolidated ratings up to episode 5.
Episode 1: 3.9m (+143k All4) Episode 2: 3m (+114k All4) Episode 3: 2.4m (+104k All4) Episode 4: 2.3m (+92k All4) Episode 5: 2.3m (+59k All4) |
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Consolidated ratings up to episode 5.
Episode 1: 3.9m (+143k All4) Episode 2: 3m (+114k All4) Episode 3: 2.4m (+104k All4) Episode 4: 2.3m (+92k All4) Episode 5: 2.3m (+59k All4) |
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